SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 47 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So Trump did have several business successes, and you can't prove otherwise. Time Magazine is only one source...where are yours ? Daddy buying you things does not a successful business make 44 minutes ago, Shady said: So what? Like I've said, the IRS gets his tax returns every year. Besides, if what you say is true, and he's been proven a liar personally and professionally, what's the issue? So what? That's your retort? So apparently you have nothing substantive or intelligent to asd Yes the irs does, and taxes show the entire situation, not to mention the returns we have seen show him losing money unparalleled to his contemporaries at the time. That you see no issue with his demonstrable untruths, shows nothing but your inability to understand basic principles in life not to mention a complete ignorance to politics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Daddy buying you things does not a successful business make "Daddy" did not buy all of Trump's successful businesses...or failures. Facts trump your biased opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: "Daddy" did not buy all of Trump's successful businesses...or failures. Facts trump your biased opinion. Hmmm a guy with cheney in his name talking about bias, funny No im sure you're right being given tens if not hundreds of millions in the 80s in new york with connections the real estate market that his father was in, then using his fathers reputation to license his name takes real skill. Again can you show any success he has had in business that was not dependent on his fathers money or reputation? Forget business the man can't run a charity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Again can you show any success he has had in business that was not dependent on his fathers money or reputation? Obviously NBC approached Trump because of his reputation, not his father's. Donald Trump and Mark Burnett produced the very successful show. It is simply untrue that Trump's ventures have all been failures, but that doesn't stop the Trump haters from saying it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 49 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Daddy buying you things does not a successful business make So what? That's your retort? So apparently you have nothing substantive or intelligent to asd Yes the irs does, and taxes show the entire situation, not to mention the returns we have seen show him losing money unparalleled to his contemporaries at the time. That you see no issue with his demonstrable untruths, shows nothing but your inability to understand basic principles in life not to mention a complete ignorance to politics Which untruths? That he's worth 3 billion and not 6 billion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Obviously NBC approached Trump because of his reputation, not his father's. Donald Trump and Mark Burnett produced the very successful show. It is simply untrue that Trump's ventures have all been failures, but that doesn't stop the Trump haters from saying it anyway. I already said he was a brilliant self promoter. Still waiting on what business ventures he succeeded with on his own merits. Playing a business man on a scripted tv show means nothing, do you remember the old commercials with the guy that says " im not a doctor, i just play one on TV" ? Same thing with trump. Trump hater? Please! Facts don't have political agendas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: I already said he was a brilliant self promoter. Still waiting on what business ventures he succeeded with on his own merits. I already provided a reference for that...you have provided nothing but your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I already provided a reference for that...you have provided nothing but your opinion. You provided a reference that said he bought some buildings in the 80s( in new york where it waa most definitely a buyers market with his daddys money), and another about a licensing deal in the early 2000s, along with a a slough of failures. That was exactly what i said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, SkyHigh said: You provided a reference that said he bought some buildings in the 80s( in new york where it waa most definitely a buyers market with his daddys money), and another about a licensing deal in the early 2000s, along with a a slough of failures. That was exactly what i said You have provided no references for your false claims. I have provided specific citation for his specific successes and failures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyHigh said: Daddy buying you things does not a successful business make So what? That's your retort? So apparently you have nothing substantive or intelligent to asd Yes the irs does, and taxes show the entire situation, not to mention the returns we have seen show him losing money unparalleled to his contemporaries at the time. That you see no issue with his demonstrable untruths, shows nothing but your inability to understand basic principles in life not to mention a complete ignorance to politics CNN SAID IT, IT MUST BE TRUE! EVERYTHING TRUMP DID AS A PRESIDENT WAS REALLY REALLY BAD! HE WAS A BAD BUSINESSMAN SO IMPEACH HIM! THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT AMERICANS CAN DO IS LOOK INTO TRUMP'S PERSONAL AND CORPORATE TAXES SO THAT THE IRS CAN PUT HIM IN JAIL AND SAVE AMERICA!!!! LMAO. Honestly sky high, you're talking about intelligence? Your head is in the sand, at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: You have provided no references for your false claims. I have provided specific citation for his specific successes and failures. And your citation supports my claims. You've provided zero evidence that he succeeded without daddy's money, or do you not agree that orangealy, orangey, at the beginning( maybe if i speak like him you'll understand better) it was his father bankrolling him? The fact is that without comprehensive financial statements, neither of us have any idea what he has or doesn't, but i don't know very many successful business men with multiple bankruptcies, lawsuits, and court rulings against them, and none that can't even run a charity above board. I started a small foundation for foster kids in my area( i was one) and even though ive never claimed to be a billionaire, my charity has given more then the trump foundation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: ...You've provided zero evidence that he succeeded without daddy's money, or do you not agree that orangealy, orangey, at the beginning( maybe if i speak like him you'll understand better) it was his father bankrolling him? Daddy's money became Trump's money by inheritance and succession, like any other family business. Calling him orange only reveals your personal bias and hatred for the man. Quote The fact is that without comprehensive financial statements, neither of us have any idea what he has or doesn't, but i don't know very many successful business men with multiple bankruptcies, lawsuits, and court rulings against them, and none that can't even run a charity above board. Trump's successes and failures are a matter of public record. He has certainly done better than blackface Trudeau and his inheritance. Quote I started a small foundation for foster kids in my area( i was one) and even though ive never claimed to be a billionaire, my charity has given more then the trump foundation Nobody cares about your foundation. Edited February 18, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: CNN SAID IT, IT MUST BE TRUE! EVERYTHING TRUMP DID AS A PRESIDENT WAS REALLY REALLY BAD! HE WAS A BAD BUSINESSMAN SO IMPEACH HIM! THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT AMERICANS CAN DO IS LOOK INTO TRUMP'S PERSONAL AND CORPORATE TAXES SO THAT THE IRS CAN PUT HIM IN JAIL AND SAVE AMERICA!!!! LMAO. Honestly sky high, you're talking about intelligence? Your head is in the sand, at best. Could you possibly put more words in my mouth? Dude if the best you can do is argue against points,that not only did I not make but don't even agree with, im not even sure responding is worth it, but im a glutton for punishment so here goes All i said was that following a man that claims to be an authority on everything but can't offer any supporting evidence. Ie; im rich but won't show comprehensive financial statements can't and shouldn't be trusted. But you keep making straw men so you can tear them down, but my head is in the sand? Silly little man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SkyHigh said: Could you possibly put more words in my mouth? Dude if the best you can do is argue against points,that not only did I not make but don't even agree with, im not even sure responding is worth it, but im a glutton for punishment so here goes All i said was that following a man that claims to be an authority on everything but can't offer any supporting evidence. Ie; im rich but won't show comprehensive financial statements can't and shouldn't be trusted. But you keep making straw men so you can tear them down, but my head is in the sand? Silly little man You keep avoiding to provide anything to support your claims! STOP DEFLECTING. Do you have anything.....................or none at all? Edited February 18, 2020 by betsy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHigh Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, betsy said: You keep avoiding to provide anything to support your claims! STOP DEFLECTING. Do you have anything.....................or none at all? First off, what are you going on about? Cant answer if you give no context Second, anyone who at the same time claims they're both a Christian and a trump supporter exhibits such cognitive dissonance that futher conversation is pointless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted February 18, 2020 Report Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, SkyHigh said: All i said was that following a man that claims to be an authority on everything but can't offer any supporting evidence. Ie; im rich but won't show comprehensive financial statements can't and shouldn't be trusted. But you keep making straw men so you can tear them down, but my head is in the sand? Silly little man And you didn't think that was stupid? Trump has been President for 3 years. He has an extensive body of work as president now for you to talk about. Your opinion, or anyone's opinion for that matter, of what he did as a businessman is now immaterial. My "straw man" was pretty accurate. You belched out useless CNN talking points. If I said "Obama was a crappy lawyer" after his 3rd year, as if that had some bearing on his ability to be the President, wouldn't you find that a useless comment? Because it would have been exactly that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betsy Posted February 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 13 hours ago, SkyHigh said: First off, what are you going on about? Cant answer if you give no context Second, anyone who at the same time claims they're both a Christian and a trump supporter exhibits such cognitive dissonance that futher conversation is pointless Lol. See? Just more deflection! You can't back it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 21 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: Yeah right, there's that reasoned debate. If you don't see how the left is more deranged than the right at the moment, you aren't paying attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 19 hours ago, Shady said: Every president fear mongers. I remember Obama insisting that Republicans want old people and poor people to starve and die. Regardless, ask Kate Steinle if illegal's are a mortal issue. Oh right, you can't, because she's dead. Yes all politicians do I mean you could argue what Churchill did rallying the British was fear mongering in one sense. I appreciate you being a pro Trump supporter you see nothing wrong in it,. I distinguish the fear mongering. When its directed at a specific category of people, and dehumanizes them as Trump does with every single opponent, I have a problem with it, and its not just say Latinos, its anyone he disagrees with. To think his discourse of what someone in the most powerful office on the planet should engage in is I would argue sad. He's lowered the dialogue to Mussolini rants or the ravings of a banana republic dictator. It is a style of leadership based on ridiculing and insulting others. In my day we called it snot nose behaviour and the silver spoon sneering and ridiculing the servant bringing him his tea usually ran into him in an alley and beat the snot out of his nose. Today such people hide behind flunkies they seem to fire every second day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: If you don't see how the left is more deranged than the right at the moment, you aren't paying attention. Is that like the first line of a joke, what's the difference between a lefty and a righty? Hey I know, which hand has the blisters on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rue said: Is that like the first line of a joke, what's the difference between a lefty and a righty? Hey I know, which hand has the blisters on it? Pretending to not know the difference between the left and the right, as if they are indistinguishable from each other doesn't fool anyone but the ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, WestCanMan said: And you didn't think that was stupid? Trump has been President for 3 years. He has an extensive body of work as president now for you to talk about. Your opinion, or anyone's opinion for that matter, of what he did as a businessman is now immaterial. My "straw man" was pretty accurate. You belched out useless CNN talking points. If I said "Obama was a crappy lawyer" after his 3rd year, as if that had some bearing on his ability to be the President, wouldn't you find that a useless comment? Because it would have been exactly that . I am not sure how arguing Obama is a poo head makes Trump less of a poo head. I don't think that is how it works. Now mind you I conceded the theory of relativity appears flawed at the moment due to new equations seeming to suggest what we think is reality only becomes reality when we see it as reality meaning it does not exist unless we first decide to see it which would mean neither Obama are Trump are poo heads just illusions but I will go with the old theory of relativity for now and say one poo head does not undo another's poo or Obmapoo = Trumpoo squared. Edited February 19, 2020 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) Judging politicians against a mythical perfect politician will always lead to disappointment. You have to grade on a curve, not compare them to saints. Edited February 19, 2020 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Pretending to not know the difference between the left and the right, as if they are indistinguishable from each other doesn't fool anyone but the ignorant. You missed the point. Claiming you know the difference between a deranged leftist and a deranged rightist is. That is a partisan bias. You assume when someone disagrees with you they are a leftist and therefore deranged which if anything makes you a right wing deranged individual if we use your reasoning. By the way I do concede derangement but I am not a a lefitist or a rightist, I am a directionless derangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted February 19, 2020 Report Share Posted February 19, 2020 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Judging politicians against a mythical perfect politician will always lead to disappointment. You have to grade on a curve, not compare them to saints. How curved does one get before they point at another? Is this another one of them riddles and why do I turn everything into a snide porno comment but I avoided with this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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