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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

CNN and the Dems put Trump's administration a lot these past 3 years eyeball. Every idiot in NA knows that. WTF?

The Deepstates been around forever too and every idiot in NA seems to have forgotten how Trump was going to drain the swamp buoying it up. WTF indeed.

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9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The Deepstates been around forever too and every idiot in NA seems to have forgotten how Trump was going to drain the swamp buoying it up. WTF indeed.

Trump has already scored major victories and exposed deep state felons. That's a big deal. 

FYI the "deep state" isn't an actual group of people who have ranks and appointments within an actual regime, it's a collection of people who have more loyalty to their own cohorts than to the country and who act like the resistance to the actual government. 

Getting rid of deep state types isn't like getting rid of testicle cancer where you just yank out the whole thing, it's more like brain cancer. You have to be careful what you take out or you could turn a sentient being into a life-long liberal. 

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32 minutes ago, SkyHigh said:

When you say your rich but won't show the documents that will prove it, that's relevant

When you say you have "a really big abrain" but get lawyers to keep school transcripts sealed, that's relevant

When you say you're a devout Christian whilst paying off pornstars you had affairs with, that's relevant

When you hide everything that would confirm, you are who you say you are, Well, that's relevant 

 

 

Complete nonsense.  Just do a tittle search and anyone can see how many properties Trump owns.  He’s got his own plane, you think somebody poor would have their own plane?  Nobody ever questioned if Trump is wealthy, the only thing in question was how wealthy.  Which is irrelevant.  

Regardless, he’s never said he’s s devout Christian.  I don’t think anyone believes that he is.  It’s irrelevant.  So is whether he thinks he’s smart.  It’s about issues and policy. 

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

Complete nonsense.  Just do a tittle search and anyone can see how many properties Trump owns.  He’s got his own plane, you think somebody poor would have their own plane?  Nobody ever questioned if Trump is wealthy, the only thing in question was how wealthy.  Which is irrelevant.  

Regardless, he’s never said he’s s devout Christian.  I don’t think anyone believes that he is.  It’s irrelevant.  So is whether he thinks he’s smart.  It’s about issues and policy. 

hes rich... its all Russian money! lol!

like i've said before... its well known that luxury real estate is the biggest money laundering industry in the world and that dictators have the most money to launder. why do you think Trump is so cushy with Kim, Vlad, Rodrigo... those others? Angela, Emmanuel, Jason... no money chumps!

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36 minutes ago, godzilla said:

hes rich... its all Russian money! lol!

like i've said before... its well known that luxury real estate is the biggest money laundering industry in the world and that dictators have the most money to launder. why do you think Trump is so cushy with Kim, Vlad, Rodrigo... those others? Angela, Emmanuel, Jason... no money chumps!

Yes, he built his real estate company from Russian money in the 1970s and 1980s.  Do you know how ridiculous you sound?  Besides, the IRS gets his tax returns every single year and has for like 50 years.

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4 hours ago, Shady said:

He wasn’t president yet when he was running in 2016.  So tax returns now or then are irrelevant.  

You’re not making any sense.  You insist that a Trump is making America more right wing (whatever that means), and then when you’re show examples, like criminal justice reform, you complain that it wasn’t done sooner.  Well, Trump wasn’t President 5 years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.  Stop moving the goal posts of your already proven to be nonsense argument.

It's like you're oblivious to decades of observations that America's Democrats are like Canada's Progressive Conservatives AKA right-wingers from our perspective.  Republicans were always more right wing of that and today they're even farther right.

I mean I get it that it's popular for conservatives to regard Clinton Obama and anything west of Genghis Khan as a pajama clad AK47 packing commie but you and I both know that's just retarded partisanship talking and always has been. You know fricken' well what more right-wing means and its not just less communist.

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You’ve got a bad case of trump Derangement Syndrome.

Which is like a mild headache compared to the brain-wasting effects of the left-wing derangement syndrome you people suffer from.

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump has already scored major victories and exposed deep state felons. That's a big deal. 

Roger that. Illegally usurping a legitimate government from within is a REALLY BIG DEAL. Give me a call when charges, convictions and executions begin. They still execute you for treason down there don't they?

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FYI the "deep state" isn't an actual group of people who have ranks and appointments within an actual regime, it's a collection of people who have more loyalty to their own cohorts than to the country and who act like the resistance to the actual government.

Trump talks about operatives and enemies of the people. Didn't he swear an oath about protecting American's from their enemies? Maybe that oath was just spin.

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Getting rid of deep state types isn't like getting rid of testicle cancer where you just yank out the whole thing, it's more like brain cancer. You have to be careful what you take out or you could turn a sentient being into a life-long liberal.

No I should think getting rid of such a clear and present danger would be lot like more getting rid of Julian Assange, Qasem Soleimani or Jamal Khashoggi. 

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17 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Thnis is what you actually said: Republicans were always more right wing of that..

That's right, specifically during the decades of observation I also mentioned not during the centuries you're floundering around in for a point.

Now piss off and stop wasting our time. 

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Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Can you really see common ground between Lincoln’s Republicans and Trump’s?  If so I’d like to hear that explained.  

 

Depends on the issue...Trump is not and never has been a die-hard Republican.

The most important common ground is...political power.

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6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Depends on the issue...Trump is not and never has been a die-hard Republican.

The most important common ground is...political power.

Yes and you were never a die-hard Trumpazoid and now Republicans are too. Conservatives have always been a sucker for a strongman.

 

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6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Right, so no connection except the fact Lincoln was also a president.  

 

Trump is anti-abortion (now)...check

Gun rights....check

Illegal immigration...check

Strong defence...check

Lower taxes...check

Deregulation...check

Trump breaks with the Tea Party GOP on deficits, but other GOP presidents have as well.

In practice, Donald Trump is a moderate Republican.

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52 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Roger that. Illegally usurping a legitimate government from within is a REALLY BIG DEAL. Give me a call when charges, convictions and executions begin. They still execute you for treason down there don't they?

No one will get executed for lying to a FISA court. People get executed for trying to take over parts of the military in a coup, or aiding in attacks on the military or the gov't. Grab a brain.

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Trump talks about operatives and enemies of the people. Didn't he swear an oath about protecting American's from their enemies? Maybe that oath was just spin.

He already did. He still is. 

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No I should think getting rid of such a clear and present danger would be lot like more getting rid of Julian Assange, Qasem Soleimani or Jamal Khashoggi. 

You're twisted.  

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11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trump is anti-abortion (now)...check

Gun rights....check

Illegal immigration...check

Strong defence...check

Lower taxes...check

Deregulation...check

Trump breaks with the Tea Party GOP on deficits, but other GOP presidents have as well.

In practice, Donald Trump is a moderate Republican.

Half of those items weren’t even policy issues under Lincoln.  I think it’s important to see how party policy has morphed over the decades.  I do wonder if all along it was never about real conservatism, social or fiscal, but the appearance of such to appease markets.  In reality the libertarian aspect of Republicanism is the continuity.  Think of suffragettes, temperance (Prohibition), and organized crime.  Couldn’t have one without the other.  Sham morality for the ladies and children, while the men plot in back rooms.  

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5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Half of those items weren’t even policy issues under Lincoln.  I think it’s important to see how party policy has morphed over the decades.  I do wonder if all along it was never about real conservatism, social or fiscal, but the appearance of such to appease markets.  In reality the libertarian aspect of Republicanism is the continuity.  

 

The very same can be said about Democrats, which is a much older party.

There is no reason to hold Trump to a political fidelity standard that nobody else can meet either.

Donald Trump destroyed all of his experienced GOP rivals even when the party despised him.

...similarly, the Democrats are feeling the "Bern".

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14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The very same can be said about Democrats, which is a much older party.

There is no reason to hold Trump to a political fidelity standard that nobody else can meet either.

Donald Trump destroyed all of his experienced GOP rivals even when the party despised him.

...similarly, the Democrats are feeling the "Bern".

True.  What a radical choice, Bernie or Trump, if it comes to that.  I do see the conservative veil has been lifted and Trump exposed as an amoral libertarian, except rhetorically for the evangelical vote.  Bernie smacks of a very powerful force: sincerity.  People may trade sincere socialist values for fake conservatism.  You are correct though that low taxation and deregulation have been Republican themes that Trump has championed.  Bernie would take a sledgehammer to that to really free the slaves, the blue collar and poor slaves, and much more of the wealth of the rich would be redistributed.  

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

No one will get executed for lying to a FISA court.

Okay, what about operatives involved in the coup to overthrow Trump?

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'This is a coup attempt': Giuliani says he believes in 'deep state'

“It isn’t that they disagree with his policies, and even that they try to undermine his policies a bit. That’s been going on for years,” he continued. “They want to get him out of office. Any way they can. How you can miss that this is a coup attempt is beyond being intelligent.”

 

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People get executed for trying to take over parts of the military in a coup, or aiding in attacks on the military or the gov't. Grab a brain.

Enemies of the American people - "enemies domestic" no less - with the intent to illegally overthrow the lawful election of a president. Grab a brain? Excuse me but am I missing something here or are you just avoiding something?

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He already did. He still is.

How many subpoenas and arrests have been issued/made?

 

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You're twisted.

And you're twisting in the wind.

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2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

...  Bernie would take a sledgehammer to that to really free the slaves, the blue collar and poor slaves.  

 

Bernie's promises have very little chance of ever becoming law.    He cannot give the things he is promising without a compliant Congress.   Democrats are turning on him already, let alone Republicans.  

This is why Trump would love to run against Sanders...McGovern on steroids.

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