Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, GostHacked said: If Trump needed 100B tomorrow for more wars, he would get it. For sure. If the Democrats need 100 billion to provide free health care to illegal immigrants they'd get it too. They'd just borrow it and add to the debt. Both parties do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shady said: For sure. If the Democrats need 100 billion to provide free health care to illegal immigrants they'd get it too. They'd just borrow it and add to the debt. Both parties do. 100 B would be better spent on health care and education. That would actually help people. But interesting that the USA would complain about Iran missile tests after the USA pulled out of the deal. So the USA pulls out of another deal with Russia and starts testing missiles previously banned under the agreement. The USA is continually going down the same route as it's adversaries. Another big war is on the horizon. https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-pentagons-cruise-missile-test-new-strike-possibilities Quote The Pentagon has shot off a developing land-fired cruise missile in a successful test of an emerging weapons system able to hit long-range targets from safer distances, potentially complementing Air Force and Army medium-range weapons now under development. These kinds of weapons, such as the Army’s now-in-development Long Range Precision Fires (LRPF) and the Air Force’s air-launched cruise missile called the Long-Range Stand-Off weapon give Commanders a wide range of options, such as hitting enemy air defenses, installations, command and control centers and other high-value targets. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49198565 Quote The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) was signed by US President Ronald Reagan and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev in 1987. It banned missiles with ranges between 500 and 5,500 km (310-3,400 miles). But earlier this year the US and Nato accused Russia of violating the pact by deploying a new type of cruise missile, which Moscow has denied. The Americans said they had evidence that Russia had deployed a number of 9M729 missiles - known to Nato as SSC-8. This accusation was then put to Washington's Nato allies, which all backed the US claim. "Russia is solely responsible for the treaty's demise," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said in a statement on Friday. "With the full support of our Nato allies, the United States has determined Russia to be in material breach of the treaty, and has subsequently suspended our obligations under the treaty," he added. Russia's foreign ministry confirmed the INF treaty was "formally dead" in a statement carried by state-run Ria Novosti news agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 29 minutes ago, Shady said: Citing it a tax cut for the mostly rich is a half truth as well. The "rich" pay most of the taxes, so of course they benefit more from a tax "cut". Even Obama extended the Bush era tax cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J4L Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Yes but you're a real Conservative not an irrational meme-whiffer. Also, NYT points out that as Trump blames the Fed for his recession, last year's documents show that current interest rates are actually lower than they thought. The New York Times is not credible news. It used to be, until left-leaning socialists infiltrated it. It's nearly as bad as Vice. Edited August 20, 2019 by J4L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 16 hours ago, GostHacked said: Negative. Sanders is about getting out of failed dragged on costly wars (aka Afghanistan for what 20 years now??) and with that be able to pay for universal healthcare. Universal health care will cost 30 - 40 trillion dollars over 10 years. Even Sanders admits that. Besides, America has barely a footprint in Afghanistan anymore. Trump has ended pretty much all the ongoing wars. So I'm not sure what money you're using to pay for things. As there is currently a very large deficit, let alone Bernie's new massive spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 56 minutes ago, GostHacked said: 100 B would be better spent on health care and education. That would actually help people. But interesting that the USA would complain about Iran missile tests after the USA pulled out of the deal. So the USA pulls out of another deal with Russia and starts testing missiles previously banned under the agreement. The USA is continually going down the same route as it's adversaries. Another big war is on the horizon. https://www.foxnews.com/tech/the-pentagons-cruise-missile-test-new-strike-possibilities https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49198565 I know I know, every penny that's spent on anything other than health care and education is better off being spend on health care and education. Unfortunately for you, the government has dozens and dozens of the priorities as well. You know, disability, social security, welfare, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: The "rich" pay most of the taxes, so of course they benefit more from a tax "cut". Even Obama extended the Bush era tax cuts. But I thought Trump was for the everyman. "Central Casting" in the Rustbelt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: A lot of those are true. History disagrees with you. So does the NYT. That's why they've switched the focus of their newspaper from "collusion conspiracy central" to "let's build up the racism storyline" without ever apologizing for two years of being wrong every day. Quote If Trump takes credit for an economy that had already been growing for 6 years under Obama, then he most certainly has to take credit for a recession under his watch. The most damning thing about the GOP and Trump is that they screamed about fiscal responsibility under Obama. Now that they're in control, they're ballooning the debt. As a Canadian Conservative, I'm dissatisfied with JT's unwillingness to even try and be fiscally responsible. Trump and the GOP take that to completely new heights. Trudeau and Morneau have a lot more to answer to than just debt. The nifty timing of the sale of shares, accepting large gifts from foreign donors, changing laws for SNC and then committing obstruction of justice on their behalf when they're a criminal enterprise.... Our Lib government just knows that they can get away with it because they gave $1,295,000,000 to various media outlets including the Comrade Broadcasting Corporation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shady said: Universal health care will cost 30 - 40 trillion dollars over 10 years. Even Sanders admits that. Besides, America has barely a footprint in Afghanistan anymore. Trump has ended pretty much all the ongoing wars. So I'm not sure what money you're using to pay for things. As there is currently a very large deficit, let alone Bernie's new massive spending. He should land on an Aircraft Carrier in front of a Mission Accomplished Banner. https://theweek.com/speedreads/859955/officials-warn-isis-still-money-fighters-gaining-strength-iraq-syria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Just now, Boges said: He should land on an Aircraft Carrier in front of a Mission Accomplished Banner. https://theweek.com/speedreads/859955/officials-warn-isis-still-money-fighters-gaining-strength-iraq-syria Ok, and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: History disagrees with you. So does the NYT. That's why they've switched the focus of their newspaper from "collusion conspiracy central" to "let's build up the racism storyline" without ever apologizing for two years of being wrong every day. That's some insane hyperbole. Especially when you're a fan of a POTUS that lies almost everytime he speaks. Quote Trudeau and Morneau have a lot more to answer to than just debt. The nifty timing of the sale of shares, accepting large gifts from foreign donors, changing laws for SNC and then committing obstruction of justice on their behalf when they're a criminal enterprise.... Our Lib government just knows that they can get away with it because they gave $1,295,000,000 to various media outlets including the Comrade Broadcasting Corporation. I'm not ever here to defend JT. But, his deficit is much lower than Trump's sooooo. Edited August 20, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shady said: Ok, and? Your claim is that Trump has basically ended all current wars. And has history shown you that forces like ISIS just surrender like that? Has there ever been a war between invading nation states and a guerrilla force that resulted in outright victory? Edited August 20, 2019 by Boges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Boges said: Your claim is that Trump has basically ended all current wars. And has history shown you that forces like ISIS just surrender like that? Has there ever been a war between invading nation states and a guerrilla force that resulted in outright victory? I didn't say anyone surrendered. Terrorism continues. He refused to go into Syria, and hasn't escalated in Afghanistan, etc. That's all I'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCanMan Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: That's some insane hyperbole. Especially when you're a fan of a POTUS that lies almost everytime he speaks. I'm not ever here to defend JT. But, his deficit is much lower than Trump's sooooo. His country's GDP is more than 10X ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Boges said: That's some insane hyperbole. Especially when you're a fan of a POTUS that lies almost everytime he speaks. I'm not ever here to defend JT. But, his deficit is much lower than Trump's sooooo. Well, they're economy is like 10 times bigger than ours, so it would be almost impossible for JT to run a comparable deficit. Apples n oranges. Both are very bad at spending/deficits. However, JT promised that the budget would be balanced this year. Not only is he wrong, but a deficit is projected for like another 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Shady said: Universal health care will cost 30 - 40 trillion dollars over 10 years. Even Sanders admits that. Besides, America has barely a footprint in Afghanistan anymore. Trump has ended pretty much all the ongoing wars. So I'm not sure what money you're using to pay for things. As there is currently a very large deficit, let alone Bernie's new massive spending. Money can easily be found for war to bomb foreign nations. , but money is always hard to find to take care of it's own citizens. Shameful that the USA's mentality is rather to kill people instead of curing people. Absolutely incorrect. USA is still involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere. And they want to smack Iran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Shady said: I didn't say anyone surrendered. Terrorism continues. He refused to go into Syria, and hasn't escalated in Afghanistan, etc. That's all I'm saying. He refused, but end up putting troops there anyways. Also he has been sending more troops to the M.E. to prep for a war with Iran. More proof that the military runs the nation and not the President. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/05/trump-says-sending-1500-troops-deter-iran/590263/ Quote Trump Wants to Leave the Middle East. He’s Not Getting His Wish. Updated at 3:00 p.m. ET on May 24, 2019. President Donald Trump is learning, like two presidents before him, that wanting to get out of the Middle East isn’t enough to make it happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, GostHacked said: Money can easily be found for war to bomb foreign nations. , but money is always hard to find to take care of it's own citizens. Shameful that the USA's mentality is rather to kill people instead of curing people. Absolutely incorrect. USA is still involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen and elsewhere. And they want to smack Iran. It's not found, it's borrowed. Yes, the USA is still involved, but on a much more limited basis. They're not spending nearly as much as a decade ago when there were 300,000 troops in Iraq. The mentality isn't to kill rather than cure, I'm not sure what you mean by that. However, if you think being the world's police is expensive, just wait until Bernie turns them in to the world's doctor/hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Costs of current healthcare system. And with that Sander's plan is not going to cost any more and will actually cover ALL Americans and not just those who can afford it. https://www.cms.gov/research-statistics-data-and-systems/statistics-trends-and-reports/nationalhealthexpenddata/nationalhealthaccountshistorical.html Quote U.S. health care spending grew 3.9 percent in 2017, reaching $3.5 trillion or $10,739 per person. As a share of the nation's Gross Domestic Product, health spending accounted for 17.9 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Shady said: It's not found, it's borrowed. Yes, the USA is still involved, but on a much more limited basis. They're not spending nearly as much as a decade ago when there were 300,000 troops in Iraq. The mentality isn't to kill rather than cure, I'm not sure what you mean by that. However, if you think being the world's police is expensive, just wait until Bernie turns them in to the world's doctor/hospital. Trumps last budget with the increases to the Military show you are 100% incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, GostHacked said: Trumps last budget with the increases to the Military show you are 100% incorrect. The spending I was referring to was on wars. Which is 100% true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Shady said: The spending I was referring to was on wars. Which is 100% true. What's the difference?? Military spending is still higher than it was 10, 20 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GostHacked said: What's the difference?? Military spending is still higher than it was 10, 20 years ago. Of course it is, just inflation will account for that, not to mention that big increases in actual spending too. Education and health care spending is also a lot higher than 10 or 20 years ago. Edited August 20, 2019 by Shady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Shady said: Of course it is, just inflation will account for that, not to mention that big increases in actual spending too. Education and health care spending is also a lot higher than 10 or 20 years ago. Actually not in the latest Trump budget. He increases Military by 33B and cut healthcare by 85 B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: His country's GDP is more than 10X ours. And his Debt to GDP is also more than ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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