Canadians FEAR Trump...Big Time

[sharkman]

You guys obviously don't get the Donald. He says anything about anything that he needs to. Truth has nothing to do with it. He's teflon and nothing sticks to him, just like Obama, but for completely different reasons. Like last week he said he gets audited by the IRS because he's christian. Now he knows full well that has nothing to do with it. It's funny how long it took the media to realize this, they used to react with outrage at everything he said, now only the true believers get outraged, everyone else just pays lip service to such stories. Trump has really gained some elbow room with this strategy, he's actually quite cagey.

[cybercoma]

John Oliver absolutely destroyed Drumpf.

[taxme]

Actually he's said many things that are lies... For example:

- His claim that a general used bullets dipped in pigs blood to stop muslim unrest.

- As another poster brought up, that he doesn't know who David Duke is, despite directly referencing him (and his reputation) a few years ago

- His claim that he 'witnessed' thousands celebrating on 9/11, despite the fact nobody else can recall that happening

- The claim that Vaccines and autism are linked

Politifact is a non-partisan (they point out falsehoods made by both Republicans and Democrats) and well respected source has a list of statements made by Trump that are of various truthfullness. May are classified as outright lies.

Of course, I guess it depends on your definition of "lie". If something is completely false, but Trump still believes it, can you still consider it a "lie"?

First of all, the claim that Trump had evidence of Obama not being a citizen came during Obama's first term.

Secondly, if he really had such evidence, it would be an issue for the legal system, not for the media. So if he truly had such evidence, he should have brought it forward and let the courts figure it out, regardless of what the media thought.

Lastly, your argument makes absolutely no sense. Trump was the one who brought up the citizenship issue on multiple occasions, so he had already put his "neck in the noose". Actually bringing forward real evidence would not have harmed his reputation any more than it was already harmed.

You see, here's the problem...

There may be a valid discussion that could be had on the issue of immigration reform. But, Trump's rhretoric is counter productive. Talk of building a wall (which would largely be ineffective) and getting Mexico to pay for it (something likely not possible) is silly, as is talking about mexicans being rapists (and only after saying "some I assume are good people". It takes what could be a valid topic for discussion and turns it into a 3 ring circus.

(X)Geez, I wonder how many lies Hillary has told in her life?

[GostHacked]

You guys obviously don't get the Donald. He says anything about anything that he needs to. Truth has nothing to do with it. He's teflon and nothing sticks to him, just like Obama, but for completely different reasons. Like last week he said he gets audited by the IRS because he's christian. Now he knows full well that has nothing to do with it. It's funny how long it took the media to realize this, they used to react with outrage at everything he said, now only the true believers get outraged, everyone else just pays lip service to such stories. Trump has really gained some elbow room with this strategy, he's actually quite cagey.

That's every candidate up there. They are all opportunists plain and simple. Dem, Rep, they are all the same and all corrupt.

[segnosaur]

(X)Geez, I wonder how many lies Hillary has told in her life?

Probably quite a few.

But when it comes to politics (and in particular this election), it is probably far far less than trump.

From politifact:

% of statements that are classified as false/mostly false(or 'pants on fire'):

Trump: 78% http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Hillary: 28% http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

(There are additional statements that are classified as "mostly false", but those affect both candidates)

ETA: I should also note:

In your earlier post, you claimed that Trump "has not said anything that would appear to be a lie." (your exact words). Now that I've pointed out multiple examples of lies, you have come out and compared him to Hillary. Is that the sound of goalposts moving?

Edited February 29, 2016 by segnosaur

[On Guard for Thee]

Anyone who enjoys good satire should watch the recent episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver on YouTube.

Completely destroys Trump, pointing out many of his lies and hypocritical statements. They also reveal that the Trump name used to actually be Drumph, but was changed by one of Trump's ancestors. So, they've started selling baseball caps with the logo Make Donald Drumph again.

CLICK HERE FOR VIDEO LINK

That was a hoot, still laughing. Lot's of fodder in there so I must watch it again. One thing that did stand out was the revelation of the smoke and mirrors around his claim to be "self funded" in his campaign. I've had my doubts about that from the outset, and now I see how he's doing it.

Thanks.

[sharkman]

That's every candidate up there. They are all opportunists plain and simple. Dem, Rep, they are all the same and all corrupt.

Not true. Sanders has some integrity though he's a hard core socialist. Rubio and Carson are pretty straight up as well.

[GostHacked]

Not true. Sanders has some integrity though he's a hard core socialist. Rubio and Carson are pretty straight up as well.

I would not be too sure about that. I'll give you that Sanders has some integrity and consistency, I cringe every time Rubio speaks, and fall asleep when Carson speaks. But I stand by the opportunistic notion.

[The_Squid]

Not true. Sanders has some integrity though he's a hard core socialist. Rubio and Carson are pretty straight up as well.

This would make Cadnada a "hardcore socialist" country. Sanders' ideas are already implemented here. Do you think Canada is "hardcore socialist"?

[bush_cheney2004]

This would make Cadnada a "hardcore socialist" country. Sanders' ideas are already implemented here. Do you think Canada is "hardcore socialist"?

Bernie sure does...Trump too. Bernie loves Cadnada's single payer health care.

Edited March 1, 2016 by bush_cheney2004

[On Guard for Thee]

Bernie sure does...Trump too. Bernie loves Cadnada's single payer health care.

Oh, is that why you are so highly focused (jealous perhaps) on/of Canada?

[eyeball]

...a hard core socialist.

A big C communist or just a small c?

[taxme]

Probably quite a few.

But when it comes to politics (and in particular this election), it is probably far far less than trump.

From politifact:

% of statements that are classified as false/mostly false(or 'pants on fire'):

Trump: 78% http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Hillary: 28% http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

(There are additional statements that are classified as "mostly false", but those affect both candidates)

ETA: I should also note:

In your earlier post, you claimed that Trump "has not said anything that would appear to be a lie." (your exact words). Now that I've pointed out multiple examples of lies, you have come out and compared him to Hillary. Is that the sound of goalposts moving?

Who is taking the survey? How far back are you going? Today Trump is telling it like it is and is not lying. Have you Listened to what he says at his meetings with the people? He is telling the people about the crookedness that goes on in politics and Washington. Hillary has an indictment against her. She may yet go to jail. Trump is winning all primaries. It is obvious that you don't like Trump, but hey, I do and I will take Trump over Hillary any day.

[cybercoma]

(X)Geez, I wonder how many lies Hillary has told in her life?

You said, "I do seriously believe that Trump is being honest in what he says." Whether or not Hillary lies is irrelevant to your statement that is categorically false. You're just moving the goalposts now.

[cybercoma]

taxme, you are in denial. Presented with clear and obvious facts, you double down on the honest Trump stance. smh

[Argus]

At this point I do seriously believe that Trump is being honest in what he says. He has not said anything that would appear to be a lie.

Are you kidding? He's lied repeatedly. He lies about his net worth, for one thing. That's beyond dispute. He lied about seeing thousands of Arab Americans in New Jersey cheering the fall of the world trade centre. That's also beyond dispute. He lies constantly.

Trump has "perfected the outrageous untruth as a campaign tool," said Michael LaBossiere, a philosophy professor at Florida A&M University who studies theories of knowledge. "He makes a clearly false or even absurdly false claim, which draws the attention of the media. He then rides that wave until it comes time to call up another one."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/21/2015-lie-year-donald-trump-campaign-misstatements/

[Argus]

Trump claims he "knows nothing" about David Duke or the KKK. I doubt he's quite that stupid, so all that leaves is he is that big a liar. Take your pick for President.

His father was associated with the KKK, and was once arrested during a brawl between KKK members and police. He had to be sued by the US government before he'd agree to rent apartments to blacks.

[On Guard for Thee]

His father was associated with the KKK, and was once arrested during a brawl between KKK members and police. He had to be sued by the US government before he'd agree to rent apartments to blacks.

Maybe he just happened to "forget" those things.

[taxme]

taxme, you are in denial. Presented with clear and obvious facts, you double down on the honest Trump stance. smh

If Hillary should become President, it will be the same old establishment once again running and ruining America. Why anyone would want to continue with the same old status nonsense of the establishment that Presidents like B.Clinton, Bush and Obama supported and carried on for decades is beyond me. It is plain as day that everyone here obviously listens to the establishment media that does not want Trump to become President.

Go for Hillary, I am for Trump, and all the primaries have shown that the people want Trump. No one is perfect, especially Hillary. But if you think she is a darling well then keep rooting for her. I would like to see America great again, and Trump will make it happen. Hillary will just make things worse if she becomes President. I say give Trump a chance, and see what he does instead of trying to condemn him all the time. He has to become President first, and let's see what happens after. Be honest here, could Trump make things any worse than what things are now? Will Hillary do any better?

[cybercoma]

You're right about Hillary, but that doesn't make you right about Drumpf.

[segnosaur]

But when it comes to politics (and in particular this election), it is probably far far less than trump.

From politifact:

% of statements that are classified as false/mostly false(or 'pants on fire'):

Trump: 78%

Hillary: 28%

Who is taking the survey?

It is not a survey.

Politifact is a reputable organization (they won the Pulitzer prize) which examines statements from ALL candidates. Its widely viewed as non-partisan (with criticism aimed at both republicans and democrats).

While it may not necessarily be an exhaustive list of statements (for example, it didn't have Trump's lie of not knowing who David Duke was), it is certainly a good yardstick by which to compare candidates. More importantly, it debunks one specific claim you made: That Trump isn't lying.

How far back are you going?

Politifact was started in 2007, so there could (in theory) be statements by various Candidates going back that far.

However, if you look at the 'Pants on Fire' list of Trump lies, as well as the list of lies that I posted in my previous statement, you can see that they are all within the past year (i.e. since the start of the recent election cycle). None are (as you may try to complain), just "old news".

Today Trump is telling it like it is and is not lying.

I have provided several evidence of multiple lies. Unless you have evidence that the evidence provided was fabricated, you are simply wrong.

Have you Listened to what he says at his meetings with the people? He is telling the people about the crookedness that goes on in politics and Washington.

Trump himself is crooked. He has been sued multiple times, over things like land deals and his Trump University. He attempted to use the government to seize the house of an elderly lady so he could turn it into a parking lot. So if your argument is that he's taking on the crookedness in politics, you are only replacing one type of crookedness with another.

Secondly, even if there is a problem with crookedness in politics, there are better ways to state that that do not make you sound like a first class jerk. He did not have to lie about knowing who David Duke was to say "there's corruption in politics". He did not have to lie about the use of pigs blood to stop muslim rebels. He did not have to lie about seeing people celebrating on 9/11. None of those are tackling the issue of corruption in politics. Yet there he was, saying this which were not true.

Hillary has an indictment against her. She may yet go to jail.

She may. But that does not necessarily mean that Trump is someone that should be president.

Trump is winning all primaries.

Which does not mean that Trump is honest or a good prospect to actually be president, only that he has convinced enough people to vote for him for whatever reason.

[bush_cheney2004]

Which does not mean that Trump is honest or a good prospect to actually be president, only that he has convinced enough people to vote for him for whatever reason.

As good as any other...President Obama lied to Americans before and after being elected. Why is Trump being treated differently ?

[dialamah]

I think he probably inspires contempt but also has leadership qualities as well.

Leadership does not include bullying words or behavior. Bullies can exercise control over others, but that doesn't mean they're 'leading'. Trump is not a leader.

[WestCoastRunner]

I'm surprised there hasn't been more media coverage on his trump university.

Edited March 1, 2016 by WestCoastRunner

[dialamah]

As good as any other...President Obama lied to Americans before and after being elected. Why is Trump being treated differently ?

Classy liars go over better than asshole liars.