monty16 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 No, I'm not calling all Canadians complete fools. I'm merely calling for our use of discretion on how we deal with the US. In my opinion it would be prefereable to separate ourselves from increasing trade relations with the US and concentrate more on China or Europe which are not currently involved in crimes against humanity in the ME. Oh, and Russia too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Then do it already and stop the endless whining about what the Americans have done, are doing, and will do. Abrogate all the treaties with the U.S. and show those "American bastards" that Canada can "separate itself". Might want to stop uranium shipments for the nuclear fuel cycle, depleted uranium kinetic energy munitions, and thermonuclear bombs while you are at it....just saying. See if all your fellow Canadians will follow you to the promised land in China or Russia. Edited July 6, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 There's little doubt that the promise of the future is China and Russia. The US economy is soon be be eclipsed by China and there's little doubt that China is now cooperating militarily with Russia. They will come together more and more to defend themselves against US aggression. They've already effectively stopped the US dead in their tracks in the ME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 China aligned with Russia (Soviet Union) before...it wasn't a marriage made in heaven. Then the Soviet Union collapsed. Before that, big bad China needed the Americans to help them with a pesky little problem called the Imperial Japanese Army. See if the new ISIS Islamic state will let Canada build a bitumen pipeline to Alberta or a new bridge to Windsor, Ontariariario. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 They've already effectively stopped the US dead in their tracks in the ME. In my view, that’s more attributed to the weakness found integral to the Obama administration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 A lot of the civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan were 'collateral' damage from Muslim terrorists, but nobody seems to be unduly upset at that. Ya there's a phrase for that. It's called "their problem, not ours!" Maybe you heard of it? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Good question. Why did Saddam pretend to have them? Why did he break the ceasefire agreement he signed? Why did he violate multiple UN resolutions? You know, if he didn't do all of that stuff, your buddy would still be in power. And he'd be able to continue his relationship with your other buddy in Russia. Who's buddy are you talking about? Saddam was a US puppet put in power after the Shaw of Iran(another western puppet) was kicked out to make war for the western war pigs. Just like Osama bin Laden was another US puppet. Man it's a real bitch being a US puppet hey? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 (edited) Cite? Evidence? Contained in the gray matter of his cerebrum. Which quite frankly is a good one. He is smart, no doubt about it. Edited July 7, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Who's buddy are you talking about? Saddam was a US puppet put in power after the Shaw of Iran(another western puppet) was kicked out to make war for the western war pigs. Just like Osama bin Laden was another US puppet. Man it's a real bitch being a US puppet hey? WWWTT That's funny. You know that Sadam ruled Iraq, not Iran? And you think the Shaw was kicked out by the US so that Ayatollah Khomeini could get in power and take the country back a few thousand years? And you really think the US hires USB to take out the twin towers? My God how do you sleep at night with all that misguided paranoia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I don't know what happened to WWWTT. He used to be somewhat reasonable, and logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Buys into conspiracy theories too easily IMO after the MH 370 discussion back when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 There's little doubt on who you are referring to there on Guard, and so that too becomes a violation of the new rules set out by our mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 There's little doubt on who you are referring to there on Guard, and so that too becomes a violation of the new rules set out by our mod. No it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 That's funny. You know that Sadam ruled Iraq, not Iran? And you think the Shaw was kicked out by the US so that Ayatollah Khomeini could get in power and take the country back a few thousand years? And you really think the US hires USB to take out the twin towers? My God how do you sleep at night with all that misguided paranoia? Never said Saddam was an Iranian leader. You made the ASSumption all on your own. I guess when debaters like you, with nothing, resort to making things up. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Never said Saddam was an Iranian leader. You made the ASSumption all on your own. I guess when debaters like you, with nothing, resort to making things up. WWWTT It kinda sounded liket that's what you said, but OK, maybe just a grammatical thing. Now then I'm still not sure how you have tied the Shaw downfall, the installation of the Ayatollah, Usama, and the US all together. And BTW, Sadam was effectively ruling Iraq for many years before the Shaw got the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I think that's the thing - bombing civilians directly wasn't consider a war crime during WW2 but is now. I think it's advance for peace for the world to reject the targeting of civilians. Maybe... It could also be that publicizing concern for civilians was a way to sanitize things for the public so that we would let them continue doing the same thing. The best thing might be for war to stay as ugly as possible so that its only used as a last resort instead of a policy tool. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty16 Posted July 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 No On Guard, that's not what WWWTT meant and you bloody well know it. Are you purposely trying to annoy others because you can get away with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Maybe... It could also be that publicizing concern for civilians was a way to sanitize things for the public so that we would let them continue doing the same thing. That's a bit of a pretzel. The main problem is that it's missing a bunch of subjects: WHO is publicizing concern, for WHICH public that would let WHO do WHAT ? Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 That's a bit of a pretzel. The main problem is that it's missing a bunch of subjects: WHO is publicizing concern, for WHICH public that would let WHO do WHAT ? Seems straight forward to me. You claim that the rejection of violence towards civilians was a step towards world peace. My point was the perception that civilians are no longer the prime effected party in war actually makes war more likely. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 So what is the deal behind ISIS destroying churches and mosques and other shrines in Iraq? I do not know what is being said in the video. But here is one they destroyed. Seems that ISIS is very knowledgeable with demolition techniques. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylNZpem-MA Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 My point was the perception that civilians are no longer the prime effected party in war actually makes war more likely. Much more clear. To add: drones make make that type of warfare more likely. Drone on drone wars would likely continue forever, as would cyberwars. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Much more clear. To add: drones make make that type of warfare more likely. Drone on drone wars would likely continue forever, as would cyberwars. And that is what many want. Perpetual war. And if perpetual war can be done via autonomous vehicles, it will be done. The bravery of being out of range. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Much more clear. To add: drones make make that type of warfare more likely. Drone on drone wars would likely continue forever, as would cyberwars. Talk about the evolution of a sci-fi scenario...so what's up ahead, the Matrix or Skynet? Eventually the Frankenstein-like fusion of tech, software and artificial intelligence of our more apocalyptic science-fiction will be brought together and infused with a mind, vision and mission of it's own...by something fictional that is some how made real...like a corporation. Is it really that big a stretch? I mean, we've already gone so far as to imbue corporations with the same legal and religious rights as ourselves so giving them AI, or a soul so to speak, seems almost inevitable at this point. The spark of Genesis will probably involve a bunch of sociopathic executives and greedy shareholders interconnected through their Google implants. At that point I expect drones will be directed to make civilians their prime target again. Edited July 10, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) ....To add: drones make make that type of warfare more likely. Drone on drone wars would likely continue forever, as would cyberwars. "Drone warfare" is just a drop in the bucket compared to all the "wars" in the world, most of which are decidedly not high tech or high visibility as news promotable content. People die every day in routine conflict(s) that don't get our attention because they often don't fit or don't matter in the game that is played for the most popular "dirt farm" wars. I guess "drones" are a lot sexier and more entertaining...real or imagined. Edited July 10, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I guess "drones" are a lot sexier and more entertaining...real or imagined. Also - a growth industry. The New York Times is more venerable too, but Facebook gets more attention these days. Facebook is growing, the NYT is shrinking. Quote  Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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