ISIS Declares Islamic State.

[Boges]

"We need to understand the root cause of terrorism"...........

Yes! They killed that reporter because of resource depletion. It's the USA's fault.

[Keepitsimple]

Perhaps some posters missed the sarcastic reference.......in response to the Boston Bombing case of terrorism, Justin Trudeau famously said:

"We have to understand the root cause of terrorism".........

In response to this Trudeau deep-thinking, a Conservative MP on Power & Politics stated that the root cause is "The Terrorists".....to which Evan Solomon raised his eyebrow and snickered and prattled on to try and defend the Trudeau gaffe. Of course it's the terrorists - and the ideology, culture and hateful mindset that goes with it. It's been that way since the middle ages - vanquish the apostates.

[eyeball]

Of course it's the terrorists - and the ideology, culture and hateful mindset that goes with it. It's been that way since the middle ages - vanquish the apostates.

The real mystery is why so many apostates insist on forever sticking their dingus' into this hornets nest.

[Big Guy]

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Of course it's the terrorists - and the ideology, culture and hateful mindset that goes with it. It's been that way since the middle ages

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The problem started with the ancestors of the British Christians. They had eight tries at invading those godless hoards through eight Crusades and still did not finish them - may have got them a little pi$$ed at Christians - but just did not teach them the lesson that our God is a lot better than their God.

But we will always make more opportunities - will we not?

[jbg]

The problem started with the ancestors of the British Christians. They had eight tries at invading those godless hoards through eight Crusades and still did not finish them - may have got them a little pi$$ed at Christians - but just did not teach them the lesson that our God is a lot better than their God.

But we will always make more opportunities - will we not?

So that justifies beheading or otherwise slaying other Christians who had nothing to do with the Crusades? Should we start beheading Canadians over their handling of White House during the War of 1812?

[eyeball]

So that justifies beheading or otherwise slaying other Christians who had nothing to do with the Crusades?

Of course not, but it does help explain how the world got to be the way it is today.

[Argus]

The problem started with the ancestors of the British Christians. They had eight tries at invading those godless hoards through eight Crusades and still did not finish them - may have got them a little pi$$ed at Christians - but just did not teach them the lesson that our God is a lot better than their God.

This is an excellent analogy but mostly because like many it assumes that Christians attacked the Muslims when in fact it was the reverse. A lot of people are pretty ignorant about history, and all they know is the crusades sent European armies to attack the Muslims who then controlled Jerusalem.

What this neglects to mention is Jerusalem and all the land around it, including Egypt, Lebanon and Syria were Christian lands up until the Muslim armies conquered them and slaughtered most people who refused to either convert or leave, much like ISIS is doing in Iraq. What the crusades were trying to do was 'free' the Holy Land, from its Muslim conquerors.

All that land was part of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries until Rome and Constantinople split, and made war on each other, weakening and impoverishing both. That allowed the Muslims to sweep in and take over.

It's also worth noting that when the Muslims controlled Jerusalem they showed little or no respect for Jewish and Christian holy sites, turning churches into stables, for example, and tearing down Jewish temples.

So in fact it was then and remains the violence and fanaticism of Muslims which draws outside intervention.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Argus

[Keepitsimple]

Of course not, but it does help explain how the world got to be the way it is today.

If you've been through Europe, you've seen hundreds of cities will fortified walls around them. For heavens sake - even cities were fighting among themselves.....but they got over it - hundreds of years ago. But the world of Islam just never evolved from their "convert to Islam or die" ways. Archaic, medieval, backward, heinous.

[Argus]

Of course not, but it does help explain how the world got to be the way it is today.

No, it actually doesn't.

[eyeball]

If you've been through Europe, you've seen hundreds of cities will fortified walls around them. For heavens sake - even cities were fighting among themselves.....but they got over it - hundreds of years ago. But the world of Islam just never evolved from their "convert to Islam or die" ways. Archaic, medieval, backward, heinous.

The world of Islam was evolving just fine on it's own but then along came our rapacious need/greed for oil. We've behaved worse than savages ever since, worse because we should have known better. We haven't gotten over anything worth mentioning.

[eyeball]

No, it actually doesn't.

That's your problem, not mine.

[Argus]

The world of Islam was evolving just fine on it's own

It was doing nothing of the sort. Remember that the Arabs were considerably more scientifically and culturally advanced than the Europeans at one point in time. Then along came Islam and kind of froze them in place. While Christian Europe became more and more advanced and sophisticated, the Muslim world remained locked in status. That's how their fortunes eventually turned and European powers wound up in control of much of the middle east. When they departed after ww2 the area, like Africa, lapsed into local control by a variety of tinpot dictators, none of whom had much interest in cultural enlightenment or scientific development. And no, I won't say the Western powers particularly cared. Their interest was and remains that the oil keeps getting pumped and shipped. And why shouldn't it be? They needed it for their economic survival. Nevertheless, it's hard to see how those nations the western powers had interest in, ie, those with oil, have turned out in worse shape than the nations which had no oil and which thus had no interest on the part of the western powers. Yemen is the obvious example of that. No one ever really gave enough of a crap about the place to bother much over it until recently. It hasn't exactly thrived and developed into the cultural beacon of the Muslim world...

Edited August 21, 2014 by Argus

[On Guard for Thee]

It was doing nothing of the sort. Remember that the Arabs were considerably more scientifically and culturally advanced than the Europeans at one point in time. Then along came Islam and kind of froze them in place. While Christian Europe became more and more advanced and sophisticated, the Muslim world remained locked in status. That's how their fortunes eventually turned and European powers wound up in control of much of the middle east. When they departed after ww2 the area, like Africa, lapsed into local control by a variety of tinpot dictators, none of whom had much interest in cultural enlightenment or scientific development. And no, I won't say the Western powers particularly cared. Their interest was and remains that the oil keeps getting pumped and shipped. And why shouldn't it be? They needed it for their economic survival. Nevertheless, it's hard to see how those nations the western powers had interest in, ie, those with oil, have turned out in worse shape than the nations which had no oil and which thus had no interest on the part of the western powers. Yemen is the obvious example of that. No one ever really gave enough of a crap about the place to bother much over it until recently. It hasn't exactly thrived and developed into the cultural beacon of the Muslim world...

You actually think those with oil have turned out in worse shape than those without? I suspect you just made a boo boo and really didn't mean that.

[dre]

So that justifies beheading or otherwise slaying other Christians who had nothing to do with the Crusades? Should we start beheading Canadians over their handling of White House during the War of 1812?

Well I guess it does... You have no problem taking palestinians to task for stuff that happened before they were born... You call for ethnic cleansing even though the majority of the population wasnt even alive in 1867, never mind 1949. Apparently you get to ride this kind of shit forver.

[eyeball]

It was doing nothing of the sort.

Go tell it too Mossadegh and the democracy the oh so enlightened west snuffed. Imagine, supporting dictators after Hitler in the name of defeating communism and getting rich.

Our governments of the day were barely more advanced, it was only a few years before that we'd started allowing women and blacks to vote.

[Talby]

What if they got what they wanted, an Islamic State.

They being the dudes who have otherwise been running about in Toyota Land Cruisers, intimidating, killing, enforcing rules, etc. They get their chunk of land, with extra mosques, free burkas, effigies of american guys to burn when they get angry, everything a radical Muslim nutter could ever hope for.

Who is going to run the power station, manage food distribution, create water and sewage systems, etc?

Many of them spent their lives banging their head off a Koran, in between chopping off heads and beating people up, what happens when they've chopped off all the heads who, for example....ran that power those plant thingies? Who is actually going to do all that stuff that doesn't involve killing, intimidating, and enforcing rules? All the smart ones are either dead or have f*cked off at the site of these assholes!

"hey anyone know how to turn this on?" "no, man I'm a suicide bomber...and Akmed, he's a sniper....maybe ask, Ishmal....he electrocuted someone once he might know"

And the good bit is, some of them are probably family guys. Yeh they chop off heads from 9-5, but at the end of the day, they have to bring home the halal bacon, and the wifey will be saying "how the f*ck am I supposed to cook this?" And she will be extra bitchy because she can't watch the IS version of Oprah. Did IS management think about this? All they have is a collection of unskilled psychopaths, good at praying, good at killing, scaling monkey bars, looking all cool in their balaclavas but probably not much else. Is that what these retards want, a stone age existence?

One thing is universal, religious weirdos, no matter what book they follow, are so busy studying how to f*ck other peoples lives up, they never developed the skills necessary to actually get along and help in a society, even if it is a society of like minded weirdos. Point being, they will probably kill each other before anyone else has to.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Talby

[jbg]

Who is going to run the power station, manage food distribution, create water and sewage systems, etc?

*******************what happens when they've chopped off all the heads who, for example....ran that power those plant thingies? Who is actually going to do all that stuff that doesn't involve killing, intimidating, and enforcing rules?

Allah will (insallah). Or perhaps people with U.N. subsidies. One or the other.

[BC_chick]

It was doing nothing of the sort. Remember that the Arabs were considerably more scientifically and culturally advanced than the Europeans at one point in time. Then along came Islam and kind of froze them in place. While Christian Europe became more and more advanced and sophisticated, the Muslim world remained locked in status. That's how their fortunes eventually turned and European powers wound up in control of much of the middle east. When they departed after ww2 the area, like Africa, lapsed into local control by a variety of tinpot dictators, none of whom had much interest in cultural enlightenment or scientific development. And no, I won't say the Western powers particularly cared. Their interest was and remains that the oil keeps getting pumped and shipped. And why shouldn't it be? They needed it for their economic survival. Nevertheless, it's hard to see how those nations the western powers had interest in, ie, those with oil, have turned out in worse shape than the nations which had no oil and which thus had no interest on the part of the western powers. Yemen is the obvious example of that. No one ever really gave enough of a crap about the place to bother much over it until recently. It hasn't exactly thrived and developed into the cultural beacon of the Muslim world...

They were much more advanced until the 20th century when western countries supported Islamic regimes in order to fight communism. Afghanistan and Iran were both making great strides before that.

The plan was short sighted and it's coming back with a vengeance but Muslims were on a similar path as the west toward their spiritual evolution. Too bad it was snuffed out.

[Rue]

BC with due respect to try re-write the history of Islam by saying as a result of Christian intervention its benevolent evolution was snuffed out makes no sense what-so-ever.

All religions have evolved in complex processes where their followers questioned their leaders and challenged them not to mention conflicting with other religions.

The origins of Judaism were violent and tribal at a time when most religions in the area were pagan or multiple God type religions and violence was a norm. Christianity evolved at a time where violence was a norm. It was attacked as much as it attacked. Using your logic Neither Judaism or Christianity should have evolved past their stages where Islam is today.

Your reasoning is pat. It tries to provide a simplistic absurd excuse or rationalization for where Islamic fundamentalism is today.

Eventually if they do not wipe each other out, Muslims will evolve to where Christians and Jews are at now.

There still remain Jewish and Christian extremist fundamentalists as there will be Muslim ones. People don't evolve in one neat black and white simplistic concept as you have presented.

Societies evolve like any human growth in uneven spurts, sometimes forward, and sometimes backwards. In addition different segments of society evolve differently depending on such factors as local geography, climate, economy.

Cultures and religions exposed to other cultures and religions as equals not inferiors tend to evolve faster. What we now know is evolution is possible through a mixing of new gene pools genetically and so it is with social development-new ideas prevent societies from stagnating and imploding. Ironically that is why Israel is so far ahead of Muslim countries in its region. Its people are a mix of many cultures, ideas, and therefore approaches. Its religion also while still manifested by certain fundamentalists, also in the hands of people who have evolved past interpreting it literally as Muslims still do. Science in Israel has evolved precisely because of an ability to not find itself suffocated by religious doctrine.

One of the problems with Islam and it has nothing to do with Christianity is its geography and weather. At the pith and substance of its major inability to develop is its lack of water and food. The oil economy is artificial. It is an unnatural economy that benefits only a few. The vast majority bever see any oil revenue. Their actual no.1 struggle is water and food.

Take Egypt for example and ask any Egyptian. Culturally it was and remains highly evolved at one level. Its engineers, archeologists, are highly advanced. Its sense of literature, poetry, art, sculpture, I could go on and on are highly evolved and yet on another level it struggles as it always has to feed its people. Why? It has a narrow strip of land along the Nile that can grow food and then its sand.

That has a lot to do with its struggles. So does its constant war between modernists and fundamentalists.

In Egypt's case Nasser said they were their own enemy and ungovernable. That has nothing to do with Christians.Morsi tried that b.s. blaimg Coptic Christians for the economic woes of Egypt, Its b.s.

What people do not like to accept when they start apologizing for the Islamic nations today is the fact their curput facist governments depend on their own people to kill each other.

People like Nasser, Sadaam Hussein, Ghaddafi sure you can argue they are CIA puppets but in reality what they are, are people who are opportunists. They evolve in a culture of violence and seize the CIA or anyone's help to consolidate power. They are in fact willing to kill their own people.

No they are not absolved with one blanket scapegoating of Christianity.

Corruption requires 2 parties, not one.

Some in Israel, the so called social science experts actually argue if Israel had allowed its extremist Orthodox Jews to actually have as much power as they want instead of just being a fringe coalition player in government, the country could NOT have evolved.It would have been held back. Some argue the orthodox Jewish elements hold it back from evolving even faster than it has.

Sometimes military necessity dictates evolution, sometimes, weather, geography. Most weather and geography issues morph into military conflicts and in the Middle East underneath all conflicts are fights for water.

What I am saying I religion is a powerful influence in keeping any society down but to try say one religion caused another to deviate and remain stuck in certain destructive tendencies is b.s.

Its far more complex and in the case of the Arab world, the responsibility begins and ends with each Muslim who lives in those countries just as we in Canada and elsewhere choose to be followers or lead, question or limp along as powerless victims. Revolutions occur not by violence contrary to beief but by ordinary people who simply choose to deviate and create a new form of behaviour. The most infectious and permanent forms of behaviour do not come with a sword or bullet but by peaceful action. MacDonalds and Coca Cola never used a weapon to spread their doctrine just a little subliminal messaging.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Rue

[jbg]

They were much more advanced until the 20th century when western countries supported Islamic regimes in order to fight communism. Afghanistan and Iran were both making great strides before that.

The plan was short sighted and it's coming back with a vengeance but Muslims were on a similar path as the west toward their spiritual evolution. Too bad it was snuffed out.

Are you saying Islam's decline as a civilizing force started in the 20th Century? Islamist resistance to the West forced commerce to move by ocean not land in the 13th Century. This is not new.

[GostHacked]

So who is this person with the British accent that killed this Foley reporter dude? Wonder if he is even Muslim. Could very well be an MI5 agent or something similar.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/james-foley-killing-identifying-the-british-accented-man-in-black-1.2743012

Prime Minister David Cameron has said the masked jihadi pictured holding a knife to Foley's throat is likely British, and linguists say his accent suggests he is from the London area.

[Keepitsimple]

So who is this person with the British accent that killed this Foley reporter dude? Wonder if he is even Muslim. Could very well be an MI5 agent or something similar.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/james-foley-killing-identifying-the-british-accented-man-in-black-1.2743012

......coming to a neighbourhood near you - if we're not careful about who we welcome into Canada.

[GostHacked]

......coming to a neighbourhood near you - if we're not careful about who we welcome into Canada.

Yes, but the people behind it might not be the people you thought were behind it. A man with a British accent? Chances are... he was born and raised in the UK. I suspect he is British intelligence. If that turns out to be the case, then many would have to rethink what this is all about and who are the people behind it.

[Wilber]

Man has British accent. Must be MI5. Follows that anyone with Middle East accent must be ISIS. It's just so obvious. It's a piece of cake.

BTW. MI5 is domestic intelligence. I think you mean MI6.

Edited August 21, 2014 by Wilber

[Wilber]

Where is the peace today?

Right here. Enjoy.