ISIS Declares Islamic State.

[Argus]

IAnd I'm cautious of saying that an invited country such as Russia now in Iraq, will turn out to be in support of any good. My gut feeling that any support of Maliki, who was a US installed and sympathetic dictator, wouldn't be good for Iraq. Your opinions?

That this is drivel given you haven't done a thing to establish that Maliki is a us puppet, much less a dictator.

[August1991]

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Who cares?

Does it threaten our western way of life?

[monty16]

Who cares?

Does it threaten our western way of life?

Yes, it threatens our Western way of life. But lots of people didn't understand that before 911 and now some do. I keep saying that the next attack could be a lot bigger and more destructive than just a few airplanes flown into tall buildings. To use the US's own words they used to justify war, "it could be in the form of a mushroom cloud".

[Moonlight Graham]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Here`s questions you missed: Should it be stopped? If so, by whom? Should the US or other western countries be involved in this? If, so, how and to what extent?

[monty16]

Here`s questions you missed: Should it be stopped? If so, by whom? Should the US or other western countries be involved in this? If, so, how and to what extent?

It's the initial question I asked when I started this thread. Should it be stopped by the US with more bombing and destruction? Your answer? Who should stop it, if anybody can? Your answer? Should the US be involved? Your answer? How should the US be involved? Your answer?

I am very firmly of the opinion that the West mush stay completely out of it.

[jbg]

http://rt.com/news/169256-isis-create-islamic-state/

Scary proposition to think about.

So the question is, can it be stopped? How should it be stopped?

Are more US bombs on the civilian population going to stop it.

Or is this calling for a totally new approach to the problem. Get all Western forces out of the ME and stop the meddling in their affairs. Bring the situation back to the peaceful situation on the Arabian peninsula before the meddling.

Is ISIS bent on the destruction of all that isn't Muslim or is that just an invented justification for US led meddling for oil? Has it gone too far now and what was a phony justification now become a allout Jihadist effort to destroy the West and everything that isn't Islam?

We may have reached a point of no return.

If Justin is elected, who do you think ISIS's amabassador to Canada will be?

[Bonam]

I think it probably makes some sense for "the West" to intervene in cases of full-on genocide as we occasionally see in that part of the world, for "humanitarian" reasons. But when it comes to just civil wars, staying out and letting people fight it out and come to the natural balance for their countries makes the most sense.

[jbg]

I think it probably makes some sense for "the West" to intervene in cases of full-on genocide as we occasionally see in that part of the world, for "humanitarian" reasons.

The only genocide that occurs in that part of the world is when the Zionist entity missiles a freedom fighter leader to death, taking out only the leader and the bodyguard. </sarcasm>

[monty16]

http://rt.com/news/169716-isis-jihad-muslims-syria/

This could be a breakthrough against the US propaganda campaign to divide Muslims. And no better place than Iraq where Muslims were united under Saddam.

Isn't it an interesting concept to try to wrap your minds around?

The first indications of something big happening is going to be a rapid US escalation of their troop levels in Iraq. Not only is Maliki useless to the US now, the purpose of their war is completely lost, and it's beginning to look like the US has only succeeded in strengthening the resolve of the Muslim world.

Edited July 1, 2014 by monty16

[On Guard for Thee]

http://rt.com/news/169716-isis-jihad-muslims-syria/

This could be a breakthrough against the US propaganda campaign to divide Muslims. And no better place than Iraq where Muslims were united under Saddam.

Isn't it an interesting concept to try to wrap your minds around?

The first indications of something big happening is going to be a rapid US escalation of their troop levels in Iraq. Not only is Maliki useless to the US now, the purpose of their war is completely lost, and it's beginning to look like the US has only succeeded in strengthening the resolve of the Muslim world.

Wrap your mind around this: the only thing that "united" muslims under Sadam was fear. If you think they want to rejoin that concept then maybe you should go help them achieve it.

[monty16]

Wrap your mind around this: the only thing that "united" muslims under Sadam was fear. If you think they want to rejoin that concept then maybe you should go help them achieve it.

Why do you keep urging me to go somewhere and I have to keep telling you that I'm not going anywhere?

As to your legitimate remark, once you got around to voicing it: You're right that fear kept the Iraqi people in line. It's very similar to the fear that keeps Canadians in line and out of trouble. It's called the law. And in the case of Iraq, it kept Iraq together and it kept the people safe from civil war or civil disobedience against others. Why is it that your apparently irrational siding with US evil is keeping you from understanding the very basic concepts?

[On Guard for Thee]

Why do you keep urging me to go somewhere and I have to keep telling you that I'm not going anywhere?

As to your legitimate remark, once you got around to voicing it: You're right that fear kept the Iraqi people in line. It's very similar to the fear that keeps Canadians in line and out of trouble. It's called the law. And in the case of Iraq, it kept Iraq together and it kept the people safe from civil war or civil disobedience against others. Why is it that your apparently irrational siding with US evil is keeping you from understanding the very basic concepts?

It sure as hell didn't keep people safe from "civil disobedience" who dared speak out against Sadam. That's why we used to see them hanging upside down from lamp posts at roundabouts with their throats slit. That kind of fear would keep me in line.

[On Guard for Thee]

And BTW, I don't fear Canadain law, I abide by it because I respect it. I certainly have no respect for much of what's referred to as Sharia "law" The idea of chopping body parts off for people who steal food should be your first clue.

[monty16]

And BTW, I don't fear Canadain law, I abide by it because I respect it. I certainly have no respect for much of what's referred to as Sharia "law" The idea of chopping body parts off for people who steal food should be your first clue.

Chopping body parts off, shooting black people on the pretence of standing your ground, I'll go with the body parts bit for Canada if we have to choose. And I'm going with the 72 virgins over a pair of useless wings on my back.

I hate all religions and that makes me different from you I guess because you seem to only hate one. Fear Dog, love the queen!

[-TSS-]

"Muslims everywhere, whoever is capable of performing hijrah (emigration) to the Islamic State, then let him do so, because hijrah to the land of Islam is obligatory,"

For once I can agree with a muslim-leader; I wouldn't object one little bit if muslims emigrated from Europe into their islamic paradise-country.

[monty16]

"Muslims everywhere, whoever is capable of performing hijrah (emigration) to the Islamic State, then let him do so, because hijrah to the land of Islam is obligatory,"

For once I can agree with a muslim-leader; I wouldn't object one little bit if muslims emigrated from Europe into their islamic paradise-country.

And stay there if they aren't given a reason to come over here because the US is over there. Have they been given the reason to enact bigtime revenge yet? If not then it would be a good time for the US to stop meddling.

[Shady]

And stay there if they aren't given a reason to come over here because the US is over there. Have they been given the reason to enact bigtime revenge yet? If not then it would be a good time for the US to stop meddling.

U.S. wasn't in Iraq anymore.

ISIS is now threatening to destroy all of the holy sites in Iraq.

[monty16]

U.S. wasn't in Iraq anymore.

ISIS is now threatening to destroy all of the holy sites in Iraq.

US never really left Iraq Shady. And now they're going to build up the numbers again. Ya think? Will the US get back into Iraq in the thousnads or will they just try bombing the people from 30,000 feet again. Chance to show your knowledge of the situation here Shady! So far your responses have been a little disappointing haven' they?

[Shady]

US never really left Iraq Shady. And now they're going to build up the numbers again. Ya think? Will the US get back into Iraq in the thousnads or will they just try bombing the people from 30,000 feet again. Chance to show your knowledge of the situation here Shady! So far your responses have been a little disappointing haven' they?

No they actually did leave. Anyways, ISIS is going to try to destroy all of the holy sites in Iraq. They have an odd way of getting revenge with the U.S.

[-1=e^ipi]

http://rt.com/news/169716-isis-jihad-muslims-syria/

This could be a breakthrough against the US propaganda campaign to divide Muslims. And no better place than Iraq where Muslims were united under Saddam.

Isn't it an interesting concept to try to wrap your minds around?

The first indications of something big happening is going to be a rapid US escalation of their troop levels in Iraq. Not only is Maliki useless to the US now, the purpose of their war is completely lost, and it's beginning to look like the US has only succeeded in strengthening the resolve of the Muslim world.

Sigh, based on this comment and others, you appear to be very uninformed on this topic.

Firstly, this isn't going to unite Muslims. The ISIS are extremist Sunni Muslims that consider the Shia to be Kaffir and Idolaters. To them, the only Islam is their version of Sunni Islam.

Secondly, it wasn't the US that divided Muslims. The muslims have been divided for the past 1400 years after Mohammed's death when there was dispute about who should succeed him and rule the Caliphate (Ali or Abu Bakr). There is a reason why the leader of the ISIS has taken the name Abu Bakr, and it isn't in order to get along with the Shia.

Thirdly, you seem to view this in the context of 'Iraqis' or a nation state, when nothing could be further from the truth. The ISIS reject nationalism and dividing people along national or ethnic lines. To them, there is only 1 law, god's law as written in the Quran and Hadiths, and all Muslims should unite under a single caliphate and follow the Sharia. Their goal is world domination and they do not want to stop until what has been prophetized in the Quran becomes true (the entire world will unite under Islam and everyone will say 'la ilaha il allah, muhammadun rasulu-llah').

[monty16]

Sigh, based on this comment and others, you appear to be very uninformed on this topic.

Firstly, this isn't going to unite Muslims. The ISIS are extremist Sunni Muslims that consider the Shia to be Kaffir and Idolaters. To them, the only Islam is their version of Sunni Islam.

Secondly, it wasn't the US that divided Muslims. The muslims have been divided for the past 1400 years after Mohammed's death when there was dispute about who should succeed him and rule the Caliphate (Ali or Abu Bakr). There is a reason why the leader of the ISIS has taken the name Abu Bakr, and it isn't in order to get along with the Shia.

Thirdly, you seem to view this in the context of 'Iraqis' or a nation state, when nothing could be further from the truth. The ISIS reject nationalism and dividing people along national or ethnic lines. To them, there is only 1 law, god's law as written in the Quran and Hadiths, and all Muslims should unite under a single caliphate and follow the Sharia. Their goal is world domination and they do not want to stop until what has been prophetized in the Quran becomes true (the entire world will unite under Islam and everyone will say 'la ilaha il allah, muhammadun rasulu-llah').

Yeah, and all the Christians will be raptured up into the sky too. Which prophecy first is the only question.

And fourthly, Saddam united all Muslims in a peaceful Iraq.

And fifthly, Allahu Akbar and thank you jesus and god save the queen!

Edited July 2, 2014 by monty16

[Moonlight Graham]

I think it probably makes some sense for "the West" to intervene in cases of full-on genocide as we occasionally see in that part of the world, for "humanitarian" reasons. But when it comes to just civil wars, staying out and letting people fight it out and come to the natural balance for their countries makes the most sense.

Normally I'd agree. However, this is a situation where radical Islamic jihadists are taking over parts of Syria and Iraq and attempting to form a state. Radical Islamic jihadists threaten Western countries (and others) with violence and terror, and have successfully attacked us on numerous occasions, both inside our own countries and on foreign sites like hotels, embassies, and military assets. Therefore, the security of Canada, the U.S., and other countries and their peoples may be at stake because of these developments. These types of radical jihadists gaining power, including controlling their own territory and potentially a new state, is very concerning.

This is what makes the decision for the US and/or the West to intervene very difficult. Do we risk pissing off these Muslims even more, while spending blood and treasure we don't have? Or do we let this ISIL group grow in power and territory?

[Guest]

Just use them to develop new and better drone pilots. Win - win.

[monty16]

Normally I'd agree. However, this is a situation where radical Islamic jihadists are taking over parts of Syria and Iraq and attempting to form a state. Radical Islamic jihadists threaten Western countries (and others) with violence and terror, and have successfully attacked us on numerous occasions, both inside our own countries and on foreign sites like hotels, embassies, and military assets. Therefore, the security of Canada, the U.S., and other countries and their peoples may be at stake because of these developments. These types of radical jihadists gaining power, including controlling their own territory and potentially a new state, is very concerning.

This is what makes the decision for the US and/or the West to intervene very difficult. Do we risk pissing off these Muslims even more, while spending blood and treasure we don't have? Or do we let this ISIL group grow in power and territory?

Well at least you aren't claiming an humanitarian cocern for savinig the Iraqi people, and that's a good start.

If Canada is at threat from ISIS or ISIL, it's only because we have signed on to a part of the US aggression against ME Arab countries for the sole purpose of oil. So your question is quite valid, what do we do now? Do we stop aligning ourselves with US evil and aggression or do we try to make matters even worse?

Make no mistake friends, they ain't going to attack tall building in China! Canada could be that safe too if we start correcting our wrongs now!

[On Guard for Thee]

Chopping body parts off, shooting black people on the pretence of standing your ground, I'll go with the body parts bit for Canada if we have to choose. And I'm going with the 72 virgins over a pair of useless wings on my back.

I hate all religions and that makes me different from you I guess because you seem to only hate one. Fear Dog, love the queen!

Well if you want to go for that then I suggest you need to go. Canada will certainly never go for it. We learned long ago that seperating church and state was the way to go. And BTW, you do understand how ridiculous relating the "stand your ground" thing to Canadian law, and especially Sharia "law" is don't you?