Rue Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Wilber I am doing a test. You are given a choice of only one of the following which one do you choose: 1. a. ay b.huh 2. a. yuh b. yay-yuh 3. a. pardon me b. what 4. a. Mun-dree-ull b.Mawn-tree-yal 5. a. trunteh b. Tran-toe 6. a. kun-uddah b. key-yen-ah-dah 7. a.hut dug b.howt dayegg answers: if you chose a-CSIS b-CIA Spy converation KGB: You are peeg I keel you CSIS: ay? KGB: I say you peeg I kill you CSIS: I beg your pardon KGB: I say you peeg I kill you CSIS: Now calm down, would you ike refugee status KGB: you peeg you shoot me CIA: uh no buddy that was me MI6-Bloody good shot what. Quote I come to you to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Are you saying Islam's decline as a civilizing force started in the 20th Century? Islamist resistance to the West forced commerce to move by ocean not land in the 13th Century. This is not new. Islamism of the ISIS variety is a modern phenomenon. Quote America...."the worlds largest, best-armed shopping mall."-Ivor Tossell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Born of modern causes...root causes that is. Edited August 22, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 So who is this person with the British accent that killed this Foley reporter dude? Wonder if he is even Muslim. Could very well be an MI5 agent or something similar.http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/james-foley-killing-identifying-the-british-accented-man-in-black-1.2743012 What an absurd and ignorant comment. Perhaps you're unaware of the huge middle eastern immigration into the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 What an absurd and ignorant comment. Perhaps you're unaware of the huge middle eastern immigration into the UK. Yeah sometimes I can post some really stupid stuff. I mean who in their 'right' mind would believe me. But people who immigrate to the UK don't have British accents. Unless they are from one of the colonies, but that might be stretching it a bit. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Yes it's much more likely that it was military intelligence...rotflmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Let's respond directly to the claim that ISIS a current manifestation of Islamic terorism and Islamic extremism is a modern phenomena and only started because of colonialists or Christians or Zionists. The very origins of Islam indicate a belief that it must establish a hegemony of Islam and to do that necessarily means going to war and conquering non Muslim and secular governments and legal systems, then imposing Muslim religious purity according to their own standards as enunciated in Sharia law which does not differentiate state or law from Muslim religion and defines any non Muslim as kafir and dhimmi. Islam was not born on tolerance and only changed when Christians attacked. What nonsense and what revisionist drivel. If one examines the 57 nations that make up the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, only 3 are defined with any democratic reference, i.e., are defined as "flawed democracies", if you look at the 2010 Democracy Index produced by the The Economist. Islamic nations impose the highest level of government restrictions on religion along with North Korea and China. If one examines the Arab League nations, i.e., those of North Africa and the Middle East, 80% have anti-blasphemy laws and 60% of these nations enforce them. There is one inescapable conclusion-religious tolerance and democracy which require the implementation and safe guarding of individual liberty, free speech, toleration, and equality do not exist in Muslim countries and the reason they don't is because religious tolerance and democracy are not possible with with traditional Islamic theology and Shariah law. So to try state that Islam is just fine and only mutated into terrorist cells once it was provoked by Westerners is a crock of crap. The very roots of Islam are ones of intolerance and anti-democracy and those Muslims who have gone on to reject Muslim extremism and intolerance, not coincidentally live in democratic nations and in Israel. In Israel its Muslims have the highest standard of living of any Muslim in the Arab world and Muslim countries of the world. Muslims have all the democratic, legal and religious rights of Jews in Israel. Vive versa Jews in Muslim countries are defined as dhimmi and kafir. Christians, Bahaiis, Buddists, Zoroastreans, Druze, Assyrians, Berbers, Kurds, Yazidi to name just a few, are treated just as bad. In fact Islam is used to justify war between Muslims. We need only see how Amidyya Muslims have been abused or to witness the war between Sunni and Shiite to see that. What that is all the creation of colonialism? At the pith and substance of Islamic intolerance is a failure of Muslims to co-exist with other religions in a pluralistic society as simply one of many. They can not. Their religion teaches them that all other religions must be placed at an inferior level to them and for Muslims to peacefully co-eist means they have to denounce and distance themselves from specific fundamental Islamic beliefs in the Koran, and so when Muslims do, they are considered selling out their religion. One only need look to the phenomena of Muslims who have moved to the West to see what is happening. Yes certain Muslims assimilate and progress past fundamentalist Islam, but as well, still Muslims not only resist assimiliation to accepting them selves as equals in a multi-plural society, but they have swung back to violent intolerance through the expression of terrorism. Israel, Western coruption and decadence are excuses used. We in the West are being scapegoated for their decision to cling to their actual views. Nothing has changed since the very beginning of Islam and Muslims being taught they must conquer all others. The very pith and substance of the war against Israel is a rejection of the concept that a non Muslim would dare think they are equal to a Muslim in defining themselves as Muslims to do with a state. The very idea a Jew can own land let alone have a state is considered a slap at the most basic of Islamic beliefs. Islam does not preach tolerance. It does not preach respect for other religions. The Muslims who do that and there are such Muslims, do so with great risk and are to be admired for they are still very much a minority endangered by their own people. Yes some believe Islamic Radicalism suddenly only appeared in the 20's in response to colonialism or with the Wahabis. Or they will argue ISIS suddenly came about because of the US. No such radicalism has existed since day 1 of Islam. The name of its violent practitioners and the target of their violence changes, but the tolerance remains entrenched and flowing from the same passages of the Koran. From day one the Quran has forbidden friendship with unbelievers (Quran 5:51)[25] and clearly states it is even unlawful even to give charity to non Muslims. The very concept of Islam is that non-Muslims embrace Islam or be reduced to dhimmis. Make no mistake dhimmitude is a form of subjugatio specifically demanding all non Muslims have inferior and limiterd rights and a special tax imposed on them as a penalty for refusing to convert to Islam. That is exactly the belief of ISIS. That is exactly the belief of Hamas and restated in its Charter. It is the exact belief of Mr. Abbas who has repeated it. It is the exact belief of Turkish leader Erdogan, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Wahabi, and Hezbollah and Iran. The one thing all Muslim extremists share whether they be Shiite or Sunni is this basic fundamental concept of original Islam and its never changed from the first day it was promulgated and its at the pith and substance of all Islamic extremism and terrorism. To pretend it only came about after colonialism as a crock. It is directly the result of original Islamic thought that has prevailed. Read the words of ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah. Nothing is new. Its retreaded Islamic hatred from the Koran. The specific and stated goal of Islamic extremists is not just to liberate Israel of Jews and return the land to Muslims but to free ALL Arab lands of non Muslims. Its references to the annihilation of Israel are sub-texted as part of a greater war to create a global "Ummah" (Islamic nation). The intent of Muslim extremists whether they be Hamas, Wahabi, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood Isis, is to create a Muslim empire ruled by one universal Caliph. Go on. I invite any of you to read the rhetoric of the Muslim Brotherhood, al-Qaeda, Hamas, and the Mujahideen regard the restoration of the Caliphate. There is nothing new in that. Its been repeated since Islam began, The very mission statement of the Muslim Brotherhood is as follows and I quote them: "Allah is our objective; the Quran is our law, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations." There is nothing modern about such expressions. Yah I read it all the time on this forum. Muslims are for the most part not terrorists and we should not blame them for the terrorists among their religion. No I am not interested in hating Muslims or stereotyping them all as terrorist. That is unfair to those Muslims who have challenged their religion and its extremist views. I look to such people and reach out them as allies of peace. However let's be clear-the majority of violence carried out by Islamic supremacists is not a modern phenomena. It has goen on for centuries. The vast majority of it is not even connected to Israel, the U.S., or so called colonialism. Boko Haram slaughter BOTH Muslims and Christians in Nigeria and that is not caused by the US, Israel or Coca Cola. Islamist terrorists in India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh kill Hindus, Buddists, Amidyya Muslims and have continued to do so long before colonialism or the US was around. Do not even attempt to suggest The Janjaweed Islamic militia in Sudan's genocidal against Christians in Sudan is as a result of colonialsm or that Iraq's Shiite, Sunni and Kurdish factions were not at war with one another long before the British tried to create an artificial state jamming them together. The persecution of Coptic Christians in Egypt by Muslims happened long before any colonialism. Oppression and violence against Muslim women or Muslim gays is not a modern post colonialist phenomena. Long before the British, Russians and US tried to colonialize Afghanistan, its Muslim extremists prohibited Muslim girls from attending schools and the so called religious elders as they have done since ancient days rape in the open young boys while at the same time killing gays. Progressive Muslims who reject Muslim fundamentalism to do because as they rightfully argue, Muslim extremism comes directly from Muslim fundamentalism which has been at the pith and substance of the expression of Islamic thought from day one and existed long before the 20th century and continues. I argue like those progressive Muslims and progressives from all religious groups, that to achieve tolerance and democracy, a society and its people must question and critique their religions, question them, reform them, allow different views, beliefs, and interpretations and at the core of that approach promote respect for different views. Those using their religion as weapons to justify war and terror are not new. They have always existed and will always exist. No scapegoating Israel, the West, for them is not accurate and its a crock of crap. Edited August 22, 2014 by Rue Quote I come to you to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 You actually think those with oil have turned out in worse shape than those without? I suspect you just made a boo boo and really didn't mean that. My point was in reply to the statement that the West had screwed these countries up. The only countries the West had any real interest in were the oil countries So we should expect other countries to be much more advanced, right? At least, if we believe that the West is responsible for the socially backward state of the contries they have been involved in... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Yeah sometimes I can post some really stupid stuff. I mean who in their 'right' mind would believe me. But people who immigrate to the UK don't have British accents. But their kids will. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Islamism of the ISIS variety is a modern phenomenon. Old wine in new bottles. Maybe there has been some increase in virulence by merger with Nazi and Stalinist totalitarianism but mostly it's another case of "the more things change the more they stay the same, or for the Quebeckers among us "plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose" Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 But their kids will.The executioner does not act or talk like a kid. Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 The very origins of Islam indicate a belief that it must establish a hegemony of Islam .Yes, just like Christians, who packed that stupid cross for almost all of 2000 years until they finally started evolving.And your point was? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbg Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Yes, just like Christians, who packed that stupid cross for almost all of 2000 years until they finally started evolving. And your point was? I get it. The West is not superior to the East. Is that your point? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 I get it. The West is not superior to the East. Is that your point?No. The point is that Islam too will evolve. It would help if we would stop arresting that development. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 No. The point is that Islam too will evolve. It would help if we would stop arresting that development. If your proposal is to wait for 600 years for Islam to catch up to the modern world and meanwhile just pretend like it's not a problem, then I would say that that is not realistic. If we followed a policy of isolationism, sure, but if we are gonna be importing millions of Muslims into our countries (for no reason whatsoever but save that for an immigration thread), then their problems are our problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 The executioner does not act or talk like a kid. Of the four London bombers in 2005, three were born in the UK and the other was a convert born in Jamaica. The youngest was 18 and the oldest 30. The youngest would be 27 now. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 If your proposal is to wait for 600 years for Islam to catch up to the modern world and meanwhile just pretend like it's not a problem, then I would say that that is not realistic. If we followed a policy of isolationism, sure, but if we are gonna be importing millions of Muslims into our countries (for no reason whatsoever but save that for an immigration thread), then their problems are our problems. If that's what it takes then that's what we should do. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 If that's what it takes then that's what we should do. Does anything "evolve" to live in the globe when placed in isolation? You get a species that dies.....maybe thats what you meant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Does anything "evolve" to live in the globe when placed in isolation? You get a species that dies.....maybe thats what you meant.I can't imagine anything that would make the rabid version of Islam die off faster than leaving it alone and to its own devices. People in those societies will kill it far faster from within than we could ever hope to from without. All our efforts do is breath more oxygen into it. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Oh sure...because that has worked so well in the past on other "rabid versions" of domestic and international threats. Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Have they rounded up the leaders of ISIS, beheaded them, and bathed their corpses in pig's blood yet? Quote "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." --Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Oh sure...because that has worked so well in the past on other "rabid versions" of domestic and international threats. When exactly in the past? You have examples of someone actually adhering to a geopolitical prime directive of some kind? Let me guess....Tibetans? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 When exactly in the past? You have examples of someone actually adhering to a geopolitical prime directive of some kind? Let me guess....Tibetans? No need to go so far away from home....start with the FLQ and October Crisis. Should have just ignored that...right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 Of course! How could I have missed that. Goddamit, I just face-palmed/ myself. Yes, a thousand thanks for staying out of that America. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 No need to go so far away from home....start with the FLQ and October Crisis. Should have just ignored that...right ? Let's ignore Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, .. did I mention Iraq? Quote Google : Webster Griffin Tarpley, Gerald Celente, Max Keiser ohm on soundcloud.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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