ISIS Declares Islamic State.

[-1=e^ipi]

That wouldnt have made much difference (still a good idea though). At the end of the day you still have 20 million Sunnis spread across both countries with virtually no political power or representation. This was inevitable the second Iraq was turned over to an Shia Iranian proxy.

Yes, we can thank Bush, Blair and their unnecessary invasion under false evidence of weapons of mass destruction for that.

[jbg]

Yes, we can thank Bush, Blair and their unnecessary invasion under false evidence of weapons of mass destruction for that.

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry was quite real, and concealed.

[Black Dog]

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry was quite real, and concealed.

Evidence?

[BubberMiley]

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry was quite real, and concealed.

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry the Bush administration recklessly supplied to Iraq has gotten into the wrong hands.

[bush_cheney2004]

The U.S. gives/sells "weaponry" to many nations....including Canada. Wrong hands ?

[GostHacked]

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry the Bush administration recklessly supplied to Iraq has gotten into the wrong hands.

Let's clear this up a bit. The US military equipment ISIS is using is from the Iraq war of 2006, indeed. However, the stuff was left behind because the US deemed it too expensive to bring back home. Couple that with the millions of dollars that went missing trying to pay off local warlords like Sadr to come into the fold of a moderate new Iraq. All failures.

War on terrorism only got us.... more terrorism.

[Big Guy]

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War on terrorism only got us.... more terrorism.

I believe that in the future, when analysts are able to objectively assess this latest debacle in the middle East, the Al Qaeda 9/11 attack will be seen as the single most efficient and effective military move in history. Bin Laden will be credited with changing the whole power structure of the world.

In the year 2,000, with everybody celebrating the new century, Saddam Hussein (with previous American help) was the dictator in control of Iraq but still looking over his shoulder at Iran and anticipating their next war against each other.

Afghanistan had just been cleared of Russians by the nationalistic Taliban (with help from the West) and were creating their own government.

Syria had just seen the death of Hafez al-Assad in June and the “election” (but really dictator) of his son Bashar al-Assad. Bashar was in tight control of the country.

Libya was in a relatively good economic position with Muammar Gaddafi in his 30^th year in control of the nation and its seemingly limitless oil reserves.

The Soviet Union had dissolved and the USA the undisputed power in the world.

On Tuesday Sept 11, 2001, a group of 19 people intent on a suicide mission, hijacked some commercial airlines and took out two gigantic towers in heart of New York City killing thousands of Americans and others who worked in those buildings. They also managed to take out a few people who worked at the Pentagon.

This was more than thumbing their nose at the USA or even tweaking the nose of the American Eagle. It was a slap in the face of the greatest nation in the world. As expected, the Americans reacted and marched into the trap that had been set for them. Blinded by outrage and indignation, the Americans began yet another Crusade into the Middle East.

The rest is history.

To-day, thousands of soldiers from the West have died in strange lands and hundreds of thousands of people have died in their nations. Saddam, Muammar, Bin Laden are dead and many of their former soldiers are successfully on their way to creating an Islamic Caliphate while using American weapons, American money and hate of Americans as a recruiting tool.

Iraq is in chaos with the American puppet government in retreat and now in control of fundamentalist militants (ISIS)armed by and financed by misguided American equipment and money.

Syria is under siege with ISIS in control of much of the country.

Afghanistan is out of control with the Taliban slowly taking back their country.

Libya is out of control with different militias fighting for power but friendly to ISIS.

Iran is gaining in power and appears to be the only power capable of fighting ISIS.

So ISIS produces a taunting video of two Americans being beheaded, the Americans are outraged again and preparing to go back in to “fix” these problems and walk into another trap.

Bin Laden and those 19 suicide guys must be laughing in their graves.

[GostHacked]

Bin Laden was the escape goat for the 9/11 attacks. Which I firmly believe that it was perpetuated by elements within the US government and intelligence agencies. A perfect excuse to romp around the world creating more hot beds of terrorism than there was before.

Is Iraq stable?

Is Libya stable?

Is Syria stable?

The US may have done great things in the past, but that is far in the past now. Mostly where the US goes, more extremist terrorists groups are rising up. By design perhaps? Create another problem to offer a future solution? Is more war the answer? Military contractors and bankers are making a real killing through all of this.

Not only that, most of the 'hijackers' were Saudis. But yet, Afghanistan and Iraq needed to be invaded. Personally I'd be looking at the US 'friend' of Saudi Arabia as the sourcec of the attack with help from those rouge elements in the US government.

Notice how Saudi Arabia is more oppressive than Assad, Hussein and Gaddafi combines, but yet Syria, Iraq and Libya needed to be invaded. It was a complete and deliberate distraction from the real problem in the Middle East. Combine that with the oppressive country of Qatar, which the US and Saudi Arabia helped crush the uprising during the Arab Spring. While at the same time, stirring the pot in other Muslim nation. Why is Qatar important to the US? Right,that is the home of the 5th Fleet.

We also have some evidence that both Saudi Arabia and Qatar are helping fund entities like ISIS. So the US will provide a solution to the problem they themselves created years ago. It's almost like job security for the US to crush all the uprisings they help create in the first place.

[eyeball]

Let's clear this up a bit. The US military equipment ISIS is using is from the Iraq war of 2006, indeed. However, the stuff was left behind because the US deemed it too expensive to bring back home. Couple that with the millions of dollars that went missing trying to pay off local warlords like Sadr to come into the fold of a moderate new Iraq. All failures.

War on terrorism only got us.... more terrorism.

So the west didn't disable the stuff it left behind, it left it fully functional and ready to use.

And now we're being urged to increase our military spending.

[jbg]

Looks from what is going on that the weaponry the Bush administration recklessly supplied to Iraq has gotten into the wrong hands.

I suspect a combination of Bush-supplied weapons and weapons that Saddam had obtained earlier.

[BubberMiley]

I suspect a combination of Bush-supplied weapons and weapons that Saddam had obtained earlier.

I suspect you're just making groundless speculation to try to save face for supporting the Bush administration's disastrous war.

[Big Guy]

I suspect a combination of Bush-supplied weapons and weapons that Saddam had obtained earlier.

You may be correct. But the core of ISIS is the West created angry fanatic. The biggest gift that Americans and the West can supply is followers. Every "piece" of collateral damage has either children, a spouse, parents and numerous other family members. The common code in the region includes the obligation to revenge the unfair death in the family. To maintain the honor of the family, any unjust death must be redressed.

I believe that is why these videos and other taunting is directed to entice the Americans and the West into action. Every killing creates many potential soldiers and suicide bombers. One suicide bomber is worth hundreds of military personnel. Remember the 19 in New York on Sept 11.

[bush_cheney2004]

No worries....Canada will save us all with "soft power".

[Big Guy]

No worries....Canada will save us all with "soft power".

I certainly hope not. The Americans have the hard power that they have been prepared to use in the past. They will probably again charge into the Middle East singing their anthem and following their flag into more expeditions of glory.

Good for them.

I hope that Canada is smart enough to stand on the sidelines, cheer them on and allow them to create even more heroes. The folded flags will continue to be presented to the parents of the dead young heroes.

Here in Canada, the parents can attend the college graduation festivities for their young heroes. I would rather have live children and grandchildren than a folded flag which commemorates the death of my child.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Here in Canada, the parents can attend the college graduation festivities for their young heroes. I would rather have live children and grandchildren than a folded flag which commemorates the death of my child.

Good luck with that...as some of the young Canadian heroes are leaving to join ISIS to capture and behead infidel American journalists.

[On Guard for Thee]

The U.S. gives/sells "weaponry" to many nations....including Canada. Wrong hands ?

"Wrong hands" is correct. Finally you may just be getting it.

[On Guard for Thee]

I suspect a combination of Bush-supplied weapons and weapons that Saddam had obtained earlier.

Naw, it was stuff brought in for the 2nd Gulf War. Unless Saddam had it burried hundreds of feet under the desert, it wasn't there.

[Solidarity]

Good luck with that...as some of the young Canadian heroes are leaving to join ISIS to capture and behead infidel American journalists.

How many Canadians have joined ISIS? Do you have a statistic? As far as I can see the number is insignificant.

[Guest]

The significance of the number doesn't matter. What matters is the significance of their actions.

Apparently, the Beheader in Chief of ISIS is a Brit. The number of Brits might be tiny compared to those from middle eastern countries, but his actions are significant.

Edited September 4, 2014 by bcsapper

[jbg]

How many Canadians have joined ISIS? Do you have a statistic? As far as I can see the number is insignificant.

Enough to fill ISIS's hockey team.

[Big Guy]

The significance of the number doesn't matter. What matters is the significance of their actions.

Apparently, the Beheader in Chief of ISIS is a Brit. The number of Brits might be tiny compared to those from middle eastern countries, but his actions are significant.

I was watching the CNN coverage of this latest fiasco. The question discussed was how many Americans or Brits or Canadians are currently there fighting for ISIS. One person started throwing around numbers and then was challenged as to the source of those figures. There was no real source. He "heard" it.

I have no doubt that there are Canadian citizens fighting on the side of ISIS as there are Canadian citizens who have gone back to Iraq and are fighting for the current government. I also do not doubt there are Canadians in Ukraine on both sides of that conflict as well as in Syria, Somalia, Libya et al. Young people are impressionable and sometimes have an epiphany of nationalism especially if they feel disenfranchised in Canada.

The world is a small place and a young person can be watching the 6 o clock evening news in Brantford on Monday and be on the front lines in Syria by Wednesday.

Unfortunately, the powers are spending their time and our money trying to track down who they are instead of trying to find out why they are going.

[dre]

I suspect you're just making groundless speculation to try to save face for supporting the Bush administration's disastrous war.

Either way the problem isnt so much the weapons. ISIS didnt even have to fight to take most of the territory they took. The problem was the incredible stupidity and ignorance on the part of those expecting Sunnis to live under an Iranian backed Shia government after the fall of Saddam. The utter abject buffoonery of the architects of the invasion and their supporters.

[jbg]

Either way the problem isnt so much the weapons. ISIS didnt even have to fight to take most of the territory they took. The problem was the incredible stupidity and ignorance on the part of those expecting Sunnis to live under an Iranian backed Shia government after the fall of Saddam. The utter abject buffoonery of the architects of the invasion and their supporters.

Given that the Sunnis are about 20% of the population what choice would or should they have?

[dre]

Given that the Sunnis are about 20% of the population what choice would or should they have?

The choice to forge ties with the large sunni population in Syria and try to make their own Sunni state.

[jbg]

The choice to forge ties with the large sunni population in Syria and try to make their own Sunni state.

Funded by who? There's no oil in those regions, or not much, so guaranteed they're going to stir the point with Kurdistan, Iran/Iraq etc. Lots of beheadings too.

What you suggest is the easy way out, not necessarily a happy ending.