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22 hours ago, dialamah said:

Just as you aren't a practitioner of Christianity any more, as you still refer to the Old Testament for your beliefs,

Who sez?   You? What do you know? :lol:

Btw, a lot of the Old Testament still stands - like the 10 Commandments.

 

 

 

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even though the coming of Christ fulfilled the Old Testament and brought in a new era of acceptance, love

That's based from ignorance.  Many liberals also want to take the New Testament out of context!

What "new era" are you on about?  God conforming to modern times?

Do you think Jesus changed the Laws of God?   Do you know that according to Jesus - just lusting in your mind is also considered adultery? 

 

And, what context of peace are you referring to?

Matthew 10

32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
    a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—

36     a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[c]

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

 

What "acceptance"  do you mean?  Like, accept what is abhorrent to God, like abortion as an example - or, same-sex marriage.......because it's politically correct?  You think Christianity is all-inclusive?

 

2 Cor 6

14 Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16 What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will live with them
    and walk among them,
and I will be their God,

    and they will be my people.”[c]

17 Therefore,

“Come out from them
    and be separate,

says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,

    and I will receive you.”[d]

18 And,

“I will be a Father to you,
    and you will be my sons and daughters,

says the Lord Almighty.”[e]

 

 

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and non-judgment?

What non-judgement?   How do you think we choose between right and wrong?   Through discernment and judgement!

 

You must mean.....to not be "judgmental."  That's different.   We can point out whats right and wrong - but, we cannot say who deserves hell or punishment.

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@Betsy... you and a few other Christians have, over my time here, informed me why OT laws don't apply any longer.  Are you now changing your claims?

No point in quoting scripture at me, btw.  I pay that as much mind as I do DoP's Quranic scripture, because holy books always have scripture that can be used to support anything the quoter wants to claim.

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

@Betsy... you and a few other Christians have, over my time here, informed me why OT laws don't apply any longer.  Are you now changing your claims?

No point in quoting scripture at me, btw.  I pay that as much mind as I do DoP's Quranic scripture, because holy books always have scripture that can be used to support anything the quoter wants to claim.

 

You're free to continue to believe that I wrote your Quran.

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Terror plot foiled in New York, three men pled guilty to terror related charges.  These guys are 19 and 20, born and raised in America.  How did they become radicalized to the point that they would plan to bomb people?   Luckily, a member of their own community contacted authorities, averting another potential tragedy.

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12 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Terror plot foiled in New York, three men pled guilty to terror related charges.  These guys are 19 and 20, born and raised in America.  How did they become radicalized to the point that they would plan to bomb people?   Luckily, a member of their own community contacted authorities, averting another potential tragedy.

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Yep, no difference.

12 years isn't enough.

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The terrorist arrested in Sydney was part of a taxpayer funded de-radicalisation program, guess it really is successful as you can see  prior to the program he only wanted to behead the infidel, now he just wants to shoot us.  

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/raids-after-alleged-terror-plot-on-police-stations/news-story/b7819878db5c886de096dba53a11f5d3

meanwhile in France  https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/07/france-muslims-screaming-allahu-akbar-attack-police-station-with-paving-stones-and-pyrotechnic-devices   

http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/un-commissariat-de-l-eure-attaque-par-des-jeunes-aux-cris-d-allah-akbar-20190628?redirect_premium 

 

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Attacks on police stations in Europe are becoming more and more common.

Attacking police stations - a public authority, for whom there should be a natural respect - tells me there is no respect for that authority.  

Of course, it doesn't really matter, since all news about Islamic attacks in France and Europe are nothing but "fake news" and part of a secret agenda here on the Maple Leaf Web Forum to just make Islam look bad.  :blink:

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18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

So it should be easy for you to cite this then ?  Or is this another example of people posting something from their imagination and saying "it's obvious" ?

I've noticed the increase in news articles reporting on police station attacks.  Quite a few in Spain, France, several in Indonesia and some in the UK.

A quick google search on police station attacks in Europe can provide some info for you, but you will just deny and dismiss them all as fake news and just trying to make Islam look bad and mental illness and but, but , but.....it's the religion of peeeeeeeeaaaaccccceeeee! blah blah blah.....anyways.

For people who deny that there is terrorism in the name of Islam and that it's getting worse, there will always be excuses and denials.

There's literally nothing Islam can do that some people won't deny, excuse and dismiss.

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44 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

For people who deny that there is terrorism in the name of Islam and that it's getting worse, there will always be excuses and denials.

 

So this exchange between us is s typical no of the factually challenged people who aid the spread of hate as you do.

 

Let's recap:

1) You make a claim, which you should be expected to back up.

2) I challenge it.

3) Instead of backing it up, you claim that you have 'noticed it', which is worthless to a discussion like this.

4) You then tell me to Google YOUR claim

5) You then lump me in with people who deny Islamic terrorism exists which is not my position.

Weak, shitty, and feeble minded discipline in your part.  Typical for you and the thread.  You are out of your league trying to have a basic discussion.

And another reason why the thread is pointless.

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https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/gunman-shoots-police-in-belgium-in-suspected-terrorist-attack-1.6131842

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/knifeman-killed-in-spain-police-station-attack-135981

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia/another-police-station-attacked-indonesia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-20/man-wielding-knife-shot-in-attack-on-police-station-in-catalonia

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/20/man-shot-dead-at-spanish-police-station-in-possible-terror-attack.html

http://www.ekathimerini.com/240678/article/ekathimerini/news/unknown-group-claims-responsibility-for-police-station-attack

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/07/france-muslims-screaming-allahu-akbar-attack-police-station-with-paving-stones-and-pyrotechnic-devices

https://globalnews.ca/video/5242211/attack-on-police-headquarters-in-afghanistan-by-taliban-leaves-13-dead

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-10-police-civilians-wounded-balochistan/29739649.html

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11459/germany-migrants-attack-police

https://balkaninsight.com/2015/04/28/deadly-terrorist-attack-on-police-station-raises-ethnic-tensions-across-bosnia/

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/russia-suicide-bomber-attempt-attack-police-station-stavropol/

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201808201067326869-spain-police-attack/

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/sweden-police-station-bombed-in-heavily-muslim-city-of-malmo

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170915/islamist-attacks-against-police-and-soldiers-in-france

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And another reason why the thread is pointless.

The thread is only pointless to people who deny, excuse and dismiss what is going on.

I await your excuses and denials and dismissals of the above.

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28 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You then lump me in with people who deny Islamic terrorism exists which is not my position.

That's not anyone's position that I have seen, but as far as some are concerned, failing to jump on "Muslims are evil" bandwagon is exactly the same as denying Islamic terrorism, supporting FGM, killing of gays, oppression of women and minorities. 

Re: the list of links... I see 4 or 5 that are probably credible.  

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1 hour ago, Goddess said:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/gunman-shoots-police-in-belgium-in-suspected-terrorist-attack-1.6131842

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/knifeman-killed-in-spain-police-station-attack-135981

https://www.voanews.com/east-asia/another-police-station-attacked-indonesia

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-20/man-wielding-knife-shot-in-attack-on-police-station-in-catalonia

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/08/20/man-shot-dead-at-spanish-police-station-in-possible-terror-attack.html

http://www.ekathimerini.com/240678/article/ekathimerini/news/unknown-group-claims-responsibility-for-police-station-attack

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/07/france-muslims-screaming-allahu-akbar-attack-police-station-with-paving-stones-and-pyrotechnic-devices

https://globalnews.ca/video/5242211/attack-on-police-headquarters-in-afghanistan-by-taliban-leaves-13-dead

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-10-police-civilians-wounded-balochistan/29739649.html

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11459/germany-migrants-attack-police

https://balkaninsight.com/2015/04/28/deadly-terrorist-attack-on-police-station-raises-ethnic-tensions-across-bosnia/

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/russia-suicide-bomber-attempt-attack-police-station-stavropol/

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201808201067326869-spain-police-attack/

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/01/sweden-police-station-bombed-in-heavily-muslim-city-of-malmo

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170915/islamist-attacks-against-police-and-soldiers-in-france

The thread is only pointless to people who deny, excuse and dismiss what is going on.

I await your excuses and denials and dismissals of the above.

I will check this out.

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

That's not anyone's position that I have seen, but as far as some are concerned, failing to jump on "Muslims are evil" bandwagon is exactly the same as denying Islamic terrorism, supporting FGM, killing of gays, oppression of women and minorities.

Islamic terrorism springs from the cruel, barbaric and widely held beliefs of Islam. Multiple polls have demonstrated that these beliefs are embraced by the majority of Muslims in the world. It is that foundation and willingness to embrace extreme violence against any and all who insult or deny Islam or violate its tenets which allows for the creation of terrorist groups.

By pretending such beliefs aren't widespread you are dishonestly making excuses for what is, by western standards, a brutal, backward, barbaric and violent political ideology which seeks to rule the lives of everyone in the world, whose followers are taught it MUST rule over everyone in the world.

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40 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The last link identifies 14 attacks in France alone.

 

She's referring to any media source that doesn't kiss Islam's rear-end. They're the 'not credible' ones. Robert Spencer's Jihad Watch, for example...who she often confuses with Richard Spencer either out of ignorance or guile. So no need to read that...too on point.

 

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

That's not anyone's position that I have seen, but as far as some are concerned, failing to jump on "Muslims are evil" bandwagon is exactly the same as denying Islamic terrorism, supporting FGM, killing of gays, oppression of women and minorities. 

Re: the list of links... I see 4 or 5 that are probably credible.  

 

Did you know that under Islamic Law, causing Fitnah is worse than any other crime? They'll want blood for that one...ask Asia Bibi.

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

Did you know that under Islamic Law, causing Fitnah is worse than any other crime? They'll want blood for that one...ask Asia Bibi.

That view is prevalent enough that the UK refused to take her because they rightfully feared a Muslim backlash. 

Yet she will stick to her belief that Muslims in Western countries are completely different and miraculously change these beliefs upon arriving in the West. 

I believe it because I saw it with my own eyes here in Canada - a large group of Muslims viciously attacked an Israeli girl online, merely for being a Jew.  She was told in very graphic terms what they would all do to her if they ever came across her in real life.  Not one Muslim came to her defense.

Magic borders. Woo woo.

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3 hours ago, Goddess said:

 I await your excuses and denials and dismissals of the above.

It's almost like you *knew* the links were bad.  Well, let's see.

I ask for a cite for this: "Attacks on police stations in Europe are becoming more and more common."

Link 1: Not a police station attack

Link 2: Police station attack in Barcelona 2018

Link 3: Not Asia

Link 4: Seems to be the same as Link 2

Link 5: Seems to be the same as Link 2

Link 6: Attack in Greece - unknown motive

Link 7: Bad source

Link 8: Afganistan

Link 9: Pakistan

Link 10: Bad source

Link 11: Bosnian attack on police station

Link 12: Russian attack from 2016 - unknown perpetrators

Link 13: Same as Link 2

Link 14: Bad source

Link 15: Not a police station attack

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As you can see from your own links your system of using your observations of the news - "I noticed that..." - is pretty flawed.  Try to find some sources that do higher-order analysis of tactics, or look for trends in what is happening... Since you make the effort to Google and cut/paste 15 links - I'll even give you something to start:
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/syria/2018-01-18/how-isis-strategy-evolving

See how it says 'Strategy' in the title ?  That means that somebody has done an analysis of the higher-level approaches for this article.  There's probably some good information in there, rather than some horseshit Jihadwatch article that calls Malmo Sweden "heavily Muslim" - whereas they are 16% Muslim.

Anyway, sorry if I sound mean but I just don't understand why people insist on making sweeping statements when they haven't done the work.  I have helped others in the past - start with the article I gave you and educate yourself on Islamic terrorism.  You're welcome.

 

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Ah, okay.  You want ONLY attacks on an actual physical police station.  Not police and military themselves being attacked.

Not sure why that's an important distinction for you, but ok.

I think the rest of us are more along the lines of:  It appears that Muslims are attacking authority figures and their workplaces increasingly often.  That was kind of my point about lack of respect for authority - yes the buildings themselves should be respected, but for me and some others here - the actual police and military being attacked are more important than the buildings.

And yes, I did say "police stations" - but I thought it was obvious that we were all   talking about more than just the actual buildings.

You continue to split that hair, though.  Somehow I just knew you both would reject the article with the  list of 14 police/military attacks in France alone.

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7 hours ago, Goddess said:

There's literally nothing Islam can do that some people won't deny, excuse and dismiss.

There is nothing Islam can do to hurt you, it's the 21st century so there's no excuse for subscribing to it and it's quite literally a waste of time even thinking about it.

And yet here we are 142 pages later and the usual suspects are still obsessed with it. 

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19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

There is nothing Islam can do to hurt you, it's the 21st century so there's no excuse for subscribing to it and it's quite literally a waste of time even thinking about it.

And yet here we are 142 pages later and the usual suspects are still obsessed with it. 

Maybe she cares when Islam hurts someone else.

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Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction, and some people care - Not Blaise Pascal
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5 hours ago, Goddess said:

1. You want ONLY attacks on an actual physical police station.  Not police and military themselves being attacked.  Not sure why that's an important distinction for you, but ok.

2. I think the rest of us are more along the lines of:  It appears that Muslims are attacking authority figures and their workplaces increasingly often.  That was kind of my point about lack of respect for authority - yes the buildings themselves should be respected, but for me and some others here - the actual police and military being attacked are more important than the buildings.

3. You continue to split that hair, though.  Somehow I just knew you both would reject the article with the  list of 14 police/military attacks in France alone.

1. No.  I don't care - but you made a specific claim and were sloppy about proving it.

2. Well, again you made the claim.

3. The point here is that this whole thread is made up of generalities and observations.  Of course ISIS exists and terrorism exists but foggy thinking eventually leads people to condemn innocent people and made outrageous claims.  All you need to do is take care about what you say: it's important.

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