Syrian Civil War

[Rue]

I don't play games on this forum. When Eye asks me what I think of Saudi Arabia when I made an effort to explain why I think they are one of the worst sources of terrorism is a joke. The same ye will complain my posts are lengthy and won't read them, then in the next breath asks me to repeat my opinion he won't read. RIGHT.

As for Marcus saying he condones terrorism implemented by Hams, ISIL, etc., then in the bext breath equates the IDF with terrorists and asks me what I think of that I also have no response.

I don't play games with terrorist apologists on this forum whose agenda is to condone Muslim extremist terrorism then pathetically try bait me into a debate on Israel to avoid the thread.

The thread lest this bunch of terrorists apologists forget was an allegation that Khorasan did not exist. Not an ounce of proo, just the samepologists trying to defocus the bait into another excuse to piss on Israel and avoid the subject.

Not a shred of evidence to back up the allegation and the same usual tired attempt to hijack the thread and use it as a transparent ecuse byt he same stale arm chair sofa warriors.

Hey Omar, Achmed, Mummar, you know where to find me when you want to discuss Kohorasan.

[Rue]

As I specifically stated in previous posts , Al Quaeda and other terror groups are just cells-loose cells with no real central command who come and go in mutation. They form alliances based on the "your enemy is my enemy" immediate here and now need.

These groups come and go, evolve, dissolve, grow large, shrink, reincarnate.

The group known as Korasan is just a cell within the Al Quaeda network. Its a unit that is involved in two missions. One is to assist Al Nusra, Al Quaeda's people in Syria, the other is to recruit Muslims from outside the Middle East.

Its focus is primarily on young Musim men In Europe and North America ranging from16-20's..

It looks for angry young men who blame the West for their assimilation issues.

Interesting how the usual apologists for terrorism won't discuss them.

Edited October 13, 2014 by Rue

[GostHacked]

As I specifically stated in previous posts , Al Quaeda and other terror groups are just cells-loose cells with no real central command who come and go in mutation. They form alliances based on the "your enemy is my enemy" immediate here and now need.

I guess that mantra works for the USA as well. Supporting the rebels in Syria fighting Assad and the Syrian military. Those rebels are known terror groups in which the USA is supporting. A perfect example of 'your enemy is my enemy'. Worked in Afghanistan ... right? There was no blowback from those events .... right?

The group known as Korasan is just a cell within the Al Quaeda network. Its a unit that is involved in two missions. One is to assist Al Nusra, Al Quaeda's people in Syria, the other is to recruit Muslims from outside the Middle East.

So why would the US support them to fight Assad and the Syrian military?

Its focus is primarily on young Musim men In Europe and North America ranging from16-20's..

It looks for angry young men who blame the West for their assimilation issues.

Interesting how the usual apologists for terrorism won't discuss them.

Apparently some of the 9/11 hijackers took flying lessons in the good ol USA. Mohamed Atta, for one! I can't make this stuff up!

[Hudson Jones]

I don't play games on this forum.

Your posts consist of:

10% self marketing and self patting

23% whitewashing history

33% making up what people are saying and who you think they are

33% apologizing for Israel/Zionism

1% information related to the discussion or the person you are replying to

This is why it's difficult to engage in a debate with you.

Edited October 14, 2014 by Hudson Jones

[waldingoman]

Once again, the U.S. government is lying to go to war in order to feed the military industrial complex.

As the U.S. expands military operations in Syria, we look at the Khorasan group, the shadowy militant organization the Obama administration has invoked to help justify the strikes. One month ago, no one had heard of Khorasan, but now U.S. officials say it poses an imminent threat to the United States. As the strikes on Syria began, U.S. officials said Khorasan was "nearing the execution phase" of an attack on the United States or Europe, most likely an attempt to blow up a commercial plane in flight. We are joined by Murtaza Hussain of The Intercept, whose new article with Glenn Greenwald is "The Khorasan Group: Anatomy of a Fake Terror Threat to Justify Bombing Syria."

Link

Can you really believe anything coming from the Mossad CIA?

[Rue]

Hudson Jones your inability to respond speaks for itself. Putting percentage marks next to your inabilities lol does not make them credible.

As for Ghost Hacked, you know you can openly tell me I am full of sheeyit anytime on these debates. Itspar for the course but you also know from reading my posts I consider the following:

1-Saudi Arabia as a primary source of funding terrorists and destabilizing the Middle East

2-consider the above nation a corrupted, oppressive regime that is an enigma to democracy and a dinosaur puppet regime-a regime that would not exist if it had no oil-a creation to enable oil addiction by the West to continue

3-I did not believe the US should have engaged as it did in Syria-I believe it absolutely blew it-when Syria had its uprising, Obama chose to try back Sunni extremists from outside the country tp depose of Assad-he deliberately chose an alliance with Erdogan to do that and they got in bed with Saudi Arabia who plays everyone at any given moment

4-had the US listened to Israeli and German intelligence reports it would not have backed who it did and played a more indirect and discrete role in assisting during the early stages of the civil war, moderate Syrian Sunni and Christian leaders-Obama and Erdogan turned their back on these leaders siding instead what it thought was a Muslim Brotherhood alliance between Erdogan, Obama and his mix of Muslim extremists coming from Libya to Syria and made up of Yeminites, Iraqis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Algerians, Pakistanis, Al Quaeda, Chechnyans, extremists from Hamas, Intifada, Taliban, Filippino, Indonesia, and Chinese Muslim extremist cells.

Don't try suggest I supported Obama's policies in Syria. Don't try suggest I turn a blind eye to Saudi Arabia.

My position is the exact one of Netanyahu's-and that is Muslim extremists whether thy be Shiite or Sunni, are equally as dangerous and siding with either is equally as problematic.

Israel chose to sit out Syria's civil war except to intercede to extract certain Sunnis, Christians and Druze at one point and protect its borders. It formed an alliance with Egypt and Jordan to stay out of that civil war. Those three countries have no choice but to stay out of what is going on right now. They do not trust anyone at this point. Hezbollah in effect has deliberately avoided any incursion near the Israeli borders to avoid Israel becoming involved. ISIL is now threatening to wrestle control over Hamas in Gaza. If that happens Egypt and Israel will be forced to act. Right now they stay out of it. Gaza is not a priority of ISIL, Syria and eventually Lebanon will be.

For ISIL the game plan is Syria, then Lebanon, then Jordan, then Israel It did made its mistake though forcing the US-Turkey alliance to rejoin with Saudi Arabia. Its that threesome running the air war now against ISIL. Egypt and Israel will stay out of it an Jordan is only providing a token appearance as it must since it is a monarchy related to Saudi Arabia by blood. The UAE and Kuwait are as worried about Iran as they are ISIL.

Everyone is playing at siding with someone but in the Middle East, when you are Egypt, Jordan and Israel who have repeatedly had on their soil terrorist and extremist activities you don't choose sides. There is no side. You come to realize all terrorists all as equally as repugnant. There is no right or wrong-just extremists using the name of Allah to justify their crap.

Obama is trying to save face on ISIL the very rogue terror network he helped incite and unintentionally mutate.

ISIL is a virus. It came about as a mutation in a contaminated environment that produces many new viruses of terrorist cells.

Countries like Egypt and Israel engage in preventative measures to remain immunized from the spread of such viruses.

There's no cure however. The Middle East is full of dirty hands. The best you can do is quarantine the spread of a virus and try wipe out its source until it rises again in a new mutated form.

Edited October 18, 2014 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

MLW tends to discuss topics where it's easy to blame one group or the other. The situation in Aleppo is not one of those: it is desperate, complex and still worth discussing.

I would be interested to hear your thoughts.

FOX News:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/03/aleppo-international-community-has-turned-its-back-on-us.html

The international community has turned its back on Aleppo. The international community can stop the shelling and bombing, but they have chosen to stand by while we are being killed.

Through its inaction in Syria, the U.N. has become an accomplice to what’s happening here.

Through its inaction in Syria, the U.N. has become an accomplice to what’s happening here.
We are about 350,000 people left here. No one can leave because of the intensity of the assault against us.

Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Amid-assault-on-Aleppo-US-suspends-talks-with-Russia-469349

The United States on Monday suspended talks with Russia on trying to end the violence in Syria and accused Moscow of not living up to its commitments under a ceasefire agreement.

The announcement came as Syrian government supported by Iranian-backed militias and Russian air power pounded the rebel-held area of Aleppo, bombing one of the city's main hospitals and badly damaging water supplies.

[?Impact]

The situation in Aleppo is not one of those: it is desperate, complex and still worth discussing.

Yes, the situation there is desperate. Certainly supporting those groups* that are bringing humanitarian relief and medical care to the city is one thing we can do. Getting involved in a military role however is something we need to avoid, that will not work and only make the situation worse. While the UN may be ineffective, it is the only way to work together in the international community and trying to circumvent it will only make it less effective.

*CARE, Doctors Without Borders, International Committee of the Red Cross,| Mercy Corps, Oxfam, Project HOPE, Save the Children, UNHCR, UNICEF, World Food Programme

[eyeball]

The only military intervention the west should be engaged in regarding Allepo and Syria is to get in Russia's face, tell them to either stand down or put em' up.

Otherwise we should withdraw and admit we just don't have the balls to call ourselves a force for good.

Edited October 4, 2016 by eyeball

[Rue]

If one were to accept Ghost's thesis that the US is to blame for supporting Al Quaeda, then Russia must be equally to blame for supporting Assad.

It is illogical to prop a thesis that only one side of a conflict is to blame for it.

Assad is the second generation of a military dictator (his father Hafez) who have massacered not thousands, but millions of civilians.

That lack of logic creates partisan drivel, the kind of drivel that chirps about alleged Israeli war crimes with zero evidence but

ignores the crimes of humanity Assad has been engaging in for years.

Edited October 4, 2016 by Rue

[Topaz]

The US has warned Syria about using chemicals weapons on its own people BUT why would Syria do that? If they kill all their people, that didn't leave like millions did, there would be anyone left in the country and therefore no country. Could be some other factors at work to get NATO or the US a reason to go into Syria even more?                                    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40413563

[GostHacked]

Well that's interesting that NATO is warning a chemical attack is coming. How would they know this?   I mean they have not been able to pin the last two chemical attacks on Assad (anyone with a brain cell can figure that crap out).  

I suspect a few more bombs coming Assad's way.  Six years later and he is still in power no matter what NATO does via terrorist rebels inside Syria.

[Omni]

I suspect the Russian's will stop their buddy Assad from dropping chems. on the SDF.

[CITIZEN_2015]

I believe Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people before. Some regimes like this regime would stop short of nothing to preserve their murderous regime in power even if they have to kill half or even all of their people. Bastards.

[Omni]

10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I believe Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people before.

There are many reports that say he did. This is just one.

http://www.economist.com/news/21720252-dictator-defies-world-bashar-al-assad-kills-least-72-chemical

[DogOnPorch]

Murderous regime? Which Muslim countries AREN'T murderous regimes?

Hell is expecting different results....

[kactus]

12 hours ago, Topaz said:

The US has warned Syria about using chemicals weapons on its own people BUT why would Syria do that? If they kill all their people, that didn't leave like millions did, there would be anyone left in the country and therefore no country. Could be some other factors at work to get NATO or the US a reason to go into Syria even more?                                    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40413563

The end game here is balkanization of Syria orchastrated primarily by Israel and the US to weaken Hezbollah....

Well...it ain't happening for now with Russia and other stakeholders in the region....

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎06‎-‎27 at 4:01 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I believe Assad has used chemical weapons on his own people before. Some regimes like this regime would stop short of nothing to preserve their murderous regime in power even if they have to kill half or even all of their people. Bastards.

100% agreed.

[Rue]

23 hours ago, kactus said:

The end game here is balkanization of Syria orchastrated primarily by Israel and the US to weaken Hezbollah....

Well...it ain't happening for now with Russia and other stakeholders in the region....

Absolute diaheria. Netanyahu was dead against Obama or the US getting involved in Syria. To suggest it has cooperated and been involved with the US in Syria is sewage.

In fact it now has a naval alliance with China and a not so subtle agreement with Russia over Syria precisely because it disagreed with what the US under Obama was doing in Syria. Israel warned Erdogan and Obama not to arm and create a Muslim Brotherhood army to overthrow Ghaddafi and Assad warning it would back fire on them. That is fact, public fact.

Relations with Israel were non existent during the Obama years. Stop pretending they were allies. What crap. Israel has as much to be concerned about ISIl as it does Hezbollah as it does Hamas as it does Turkey as it does Iran as it does any extremist Muslim nation or other nation backing them.

Your simplistic conspiracies are antiquated and ridiculous. It may be now that  Trump is in power the US and Israel share more common ground but to paint them as a conspiracy alliance is crap-simplistic crap.

I note you are quick to engage in this antiquated US Israel conspiracy but avoid discussing the role of China, Russia, OPDEC, Saudi Arabia, Iran in this mess.

Until you do your selective anti Israel, anti US bias renders your analysis crap.

 

[OftenWrong]

On 2017-06-27 at 1:42 PM, Omni said:

I suspect the Russian's will stop their buddy Assad from dropping chems. on the SDF.

The Russians were against the US military action (bombing) after the last chemical attack. No way they're going to stop Assad.
Do at least try to keep up.

[Omni]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

The Russians were against the US military action (bombing) after the last chemical attack. No way they're going to stop Assad.
Do at least try to keep up.

The discussion is about Assad trying another chemical attack. Way ahead of you pal.

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Omni said:

The discussion is about Assad trying another chemical attack. Way ahead of you pal.

For some reason you think the Russians will stop their buddy Assad. Wrong. pal.

Russians are supplying the goddamned chemicals. No way they're going to stop him.

[Omni]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

No way they're going to stop him.

Yes they will. Because they don't want another US retaliatory attack. It tends to put a lot of dents in the planes they have on site.

[DogOnPorch]

58 minutes ago, Omni said:

Yes they will. Because they don't want another US retaliatory attack. It tends to put a lot of dents in the planes they have on site.

 

Of course, there's a problem with the whole aircraft delivered sarin theory. Bombs aren't used to deliver binary nerve agents and the crater left by the supposed bomb clearly has a rocket husk sticking out of it. About Grad sized, by the looks.

Note also the extreme measures taken to avoid being instantly rendered incapacitated by the sarin...dust masks.

 

 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Of course, there's a problem with the whole aircraft delivered sarin theory. Bombs aren't used to deliver binary nerve agents and the crater left by the supposed bomb clearly has a rocket husk sticking out of it. About Grad sized, by the looks.

Note also the extreme measures taken to avoid being instantly rendered incapacitated by the sarin...dust masks.

 

 

Yep it was all fake news just like 9-11.