Green leader Elizabeth May only became Canadian citizen at age 24

[Cannucklehead]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

How are you going to get to work, heat your home, produce/ manufacture  anything , cook, clean, hot water,  every aspect of our lives revolves around fossil fuels directly or use them to produce electrical power....... with no replacement in site what is the plan...there is no plan....thats a good plan. 

I believe it's called "magic"

Also, the green party recently dropped Lepine for "comments that do not coincide with our views"

They need to really fix up their organization to be taken seriously imo.

Edited October 8, 2019 by Cannucklehead

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Army Guy said:

How are you going to get to work, heat your home, produce/ manufacture  anything , cook, clean, hot water,  every aspect of our lives revolves around fossil fuels directly or use them to produce electrical power....... with no replacement in site what is the plan...there is no plan....thats a good plan. 

We'll still do these things just less is all and it's not a plan it's more an inevitability, and you know what the hardest adaptation of all is going to be?  Figuring out how to hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we pass through these troubled times.

If there's anything that's going to destroy the world it'll our unwillingness incapacity to do that.   How hard can it be? Seriously, other than unwillingness what is there to stop or prevent us?

Edited October 9, 2019 by eyeball

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, marcus said:

A car is in need of a few parts to be fixed, otherwise it can create more damage to the car in the long run. The owner decides to hold back on the upgrades because of the costs involved. A few months later, the car breaks down and now the engine needs to be replaced and the car owner now must pay thousands of dollars more than what he had to pay before.

This is what is in front of us when it comes to climate change.

What the policies are going to be and whether governments or companies want to take advantage of the situation in a negative way is a different question and discussion. The potential for bad policy should not stop us from realizing the urgent problem and finding an immediate solution. We cannot continue with business as usual.

Well I agree but the question is how.   We have to approach climate change, I believe, from the angle of efficiency, productivity, and sustainability, as those aims for production make companies and countries more profitable and raise living standards.  Ultimately the goal of all endeavours is to improve quality of life.  Clean air and water, short commute times, affordable and accessible transportation, locally provided food and energy supplies, extended life cycles,...these are the virtues of green policies.  I have no interest in seeing intelligent production and policy devolve into oppressive radicalism that substantially adds to the cost of living or turns us into post-apocalyptic cave dwellers.   

Edited October 9, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Moonlight Graham]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nope and I could care less. I'm voting Green because of it's global scope and it's the only political party that wants to move in the direction the world needs to go.

So you don't even know anything about what you're voting for.

Guess you don't have to bother reading their platform since half of their proposals aren't doable anyways and would need the consent of ie: Alberta to stop extracting oil, which will never happen.

[Moonlight Graham]

6 hours ago, eyeball said:

The only stepwise approach I'm willing to consider at this point is one in which we commit ourselves to cutting China off any fossil fuels whatsoever. This would include sanctioning any nation that insists on dealing with China.

Go see what a trade war with China has done for the US, which is 10x the economic and political power as Canada.  Sanctioning a country we depends on economically isn't going to work.  So it makes sense you're voting Green, they're all about proposals that will cost a lot and accomplish little.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Moonlight Graham said:

So you don't even know anything about what you're voting for.

Of course I do. I'm voting for a global vision that says it's time to step on the brakes. Hard unfortunately.

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Guess you don't have to bother reading their platform since half of their proposals aren't doable anyways and would need the consent of ie: Alberta to stop extracting oil, which will never happen.

Oh well see you at the bottom of the cliff then because none of the other parties proposals are doable. 

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Of course I do. I'm voting for a global vision that says it's time to step on the brakes. Hard unfortunately.

You don't know what the Green plans are.  You said you didn't look at the platform or the costed budget.

[eyeball]

Just now, Moonlight Graham said:

You don't know what the Green plans are.  You said you didn't look at the platform or the costed budget.

I've also said that the bigger problem we face is dictators and people who are all to willing to deal with them.  Not building more pipelines to BC's coast helps prevent that and the Greens are the only one's promising that.  

Climate change is not the worst problem we're in denial over.

[eyeball]

16 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Go see what a trade war with China has done for the US, which is 10x the economic and political power as Canada.  Sanctioning a country we depends on economically isn't going to work.

I'm more focused on what wheeling and dealing with China has wrought, instead of China's government becoming more like the west's as was promised the west's government's are becoming more like their''s.  Even faster now with populism and nativism on the rise just about everywhere we look.

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So it makes sense you're voting Green, they're all about proposals that will cost a lot and accomplish little.

Compared to all the other parties? If you say so. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

If there's anything that's going to destroy the world it'll our unwillingness incapacity to do that.   How hard can it be? Seriously, other than unwillingness what is there to stop or prevent us?

Lack of capacity. Government can't solve the problem, has nothing to do with willingness, even if every single person was on board with whatever government measures you propose, it won't solve the problem. Stop looking to government as the solution, pro tip, that's feigning environmentalism to sell an anti-capitalist crusade and will exacerbate the climate issue.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[SpankyMcFarland]

The West should lead the way on cutting carbon emissions. We have put most of the excess carbon dioxide and methane up there and we have the resources and technology to become much more efficient. Britain is showing a good example in this regard:

https://www.greeneconomycoalition.org/news-analysis/a-uk-net-zero-target-must-inspire-global-action

Of course, we are not going to abandon capitalism in this effort. Many multinationals are acutely aware of the need to change. 

[Rue]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

I'm more focused on what wheeling and dealing with China has wrought, instead of China's government becoming more like the west's as was promised the west's government's are becoming more like their''s.  Even faster now with populism and nativism on the rise just about everywhere we look.

Compared to all the other parties? If you say so. 

I do not think myself most of the Canadian Green platform is realistic but I totally respect your reasons for voting Green. I agree with the version in Europe that is less dependent on governments and places more emphasis on initiating  changes through non profit organizations, businesses, community initiatives, individual behaviour which is why I agree with Scrib's comments but also support your dismay with current choices and your intent... 

Edited October 9, 2019 by Rue

[marcus]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well I agree but the question is how.   We have to approach climate change, I believe, from the angle of efficiency, productivity, and sustainability, as those aims for production make companies and countries more profitable and raise living standards.  Ultimately the goal of all endeavours is to improve quality of life.  Clean air and water, short commute times, affordable and accessible transportation, locally provided food and energy supplies, extended life cycles,...these are the virtues of green policies.  I have no interest in seeing intelligent production and policy devolve into oppressive radicalism that substantially adds to the cost of living or turns us into post-apocalyptic cave dwellers.   

We are in agreement.

I think the first step in moving towards the right direction is to acknowledge and come to a consus on the enormity of the problem and agree that we need to make radical changes. We seem to still be trying to convince a loud minority and some people in power that climate change is happening. Although, the tone has now shifted from many of these loud minorities from "it's not happening" to "humans are not the cause" or "there is nothing we can do". We're wasting too much time trying to convince that group and this is a big problem. 

I agree that our policies should be well thought out and efficient.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

I think the first step in moving towards the right direction is to acknowledge and come to a consus on the enormity of the problem and agree that we need to make radical changes. We seem to still be trying to convince a loud minority and some people in power that climate change is happening.

 

No...we already know that climate change is happening...the arguments and push-back are what to do about it.

"People in power" will soon be out of office if they force the climate change religion down people's economic throats.

[taxme]

23 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Yeah, eh?

 

That video pretty much sums up about how most Canadians are. Walking but not looking as to where they are going. Most Canadians are being led by the nose by politicians who have total contempt for them and are out to get them. Massive third world immigration is a big problem in Canada, and all of those so called politicians could talk about during the English debates was climate change, racism, native Indians, and giving out free stuff. Other than Maxine Bernier, no other politician wanted to talk about massive third world immigration, and the illegal refugee problem going on in Canada today. Only Maxine Bernier wanted to discuss immigration. The likes of socialists May and Singh would love to open the border gates and let the rest of the world walk right on into Canada free of charge. Those two, plus Blackface, are globalists and they appear to have no love for Canada one bit. If they did they should know by now that more immigration will mean more problems. But ask them if they really care? 

[taxme]

22 hours ago, eyeball said:

Nope and I could care less. I'm voting Green because of it's global scope and it's the only political party that wants to move in the direction the world needs to go.

I might have voted for a more stepwise approach to weaning ourselves off fossil fuels 10-15 year ago but it's too late for that now and I think we need to go cold turkey.

The only stepwise approach I'm willing to consider at this point is one in which we commit ourselves to cutting China off any fossil fuels whatsoever. This would include sanctioning any nation that insists on dealing with China.  It'll be bad enough going over a cliff with all the dysfunctional baggage we're packing but if we also have to face the cliff with the most dangerous dictatorship on the planet in tow we might as well just party our way out like it was 1999 on steroids.

The cost of going green in Canada will add up into the hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of Canadian tax dollars that will be wasted by another dumb ass and stupid politician like greenie May. Jobs by the hundreds of thousands will be lost. Has May explained to us as to how planes will fly without fossil fuels yet? Or huge commercial and cruise ships will go around the world without fossil fuels running them? Is she dumb enough to believe liars like Al Gore, David Suzuki, Leo Decrapio, and so many other liars out there who do not practice what they preach, and who will refuse to not act and cut back on the use of fossil fuels but keep using more and more fossil fuels every day in their lives to keep their private planes, SUV's and their homes up and running. Between May and Singh both will cost the Canadian taxpayer's trillions of their tax dollars to go green and with Singh who wants to give free stuff and money away to whomever wants it.    So, what have or are you doing today to cut down on your use of fossil fuels? This I would like to know? Over to you, Mr. or Mrs Green Jeans. 

[taxme]

5 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The West should lead the way on cutting carbon emissions. We have put most of the excess carbon dioxide and methane up there and we have the resources and technology to become much more efficient. Britain is showing a good example in this regard:

https://www.greeneconomycoalition.org/news-analysis/a-uk-net-zero-target-must-inspire-global-action

Of course, we are not going to abandon capitalism in this effort. Many multinationals are acutely aware of the need to change. 

But the west has been cutting back on carbon emissions for several decades now. The west has done their fair share. Now it is time for people like you to go after countries like China and India who are contributing big time to this climate change. It is time for the millions of greenies out there to demonstrate against those two big polluters. But they will not. It's easier to just go after and keep picking on the average Joe and Mary citizen and try to disrupt their every day lives by shutting down bridges. Those greenie fools cannot seem to get it thru their stunned heads that they are only being used by the likes of Gore, Suzuki, Decrapio and E. May who could careless about this so called thing called climate change. I just read a report put out by NASA sometime ago where the earths orbit around the sun is the reason for this slight global warming that is going on in the world. This no E. May can do anything about it. May will use whatever she can to try and gain power in Canada. She will destroy jobs and the economy, that Blackface and his ilk has not ruined already, and make the rest of us deniers of climate change fork over hundreds of billions of their tax dollars into her pet peeve called global warming. E. May will become a dictator in Canada if she ever became the PM of Canada. There goes your steaks and plane rides to mention but a couple of things that most Canadians will use and will lose if she ever did get the PM's job. My opinion, and I approve of this reply. 

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, taxme said:

That video pretty much sums up about how most Canadians are. Walking but not looking as to where they are going. Most Canadians are being led by the nose by politicians who have total contempt for them and are out to get them. Massive third world immigration is a big problem in Canada, and all of those so called politicians could talk about during the English debates was climate change, racism, native Indians, and giving out free stuff. Other than Maxine Bernier, no other politician wanted to talk about massive third world immigration, and the illegal refugee problem going on in Canada today. Only Maxine Bernier wanted to discuss immigration. The likes of socialists May and Singh would love to open the border gates and let the rest of the world walk right on into Canada free of charge. Those two, plus Blackface, are globalists and they appear to have no love for Canada one bit. If they did they should know by now that more immigration will mean more problems. But ask them if they really care? 

The Green Party came to my door about two hours ago.   Green Party Grey Haired Lady. 

  She was plenty nice, we had a nice chat, about this and that, agreed to disagree, wished each other a nice day.

Democracy is simply a peaceful transfer of power, no more, no less, that's the only problem voting is meant to solve.

People who think they are gonna fix this by centrally planning are simply naive. 

I simply participate as a civic duty, to uphold the institution itself, I'm not deluded into thinking I am solving any problem other than that.

Edited October 9, 2019 by Dougie93

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 minutes ago, taxme said:

But the west has been cutting back on carbon emissions for several decades now. The west has done their fair share. Now it is time for people like you to go after countries like China and India who are contributing big time to this climate change. It is time for the millions of greenies out there to demonstrate against those two big polluters. But they will not. It's easier to just go after and keep picking on the average Joe and Mary citizen and try to disrupt their every day lives by shutting down bridges. Those greenie fools cannot seem to get it thru their stunned heads that they are only being used by the likes of Gore, Suzuki, Decrapio and E. May who could careless about this so called thing called climate change. I just read a report put out by NASA sometime ago where the earths orbit around the sun is the reason for this slight global warming that is going on in the world. This no E. May can do anything about it. May will use whatever she can to try and gain power in Canada. She will destroy jobs and the economy, that Blackface and his ilk has not ruined already, and make the rest of us deniers of climate change fork over hundreds of billions of their tax dollars into her pet peeve called global warming. E. May will become a dictator in Canada if she ever became the PM of Canada. There goes your steaks and plane rides to mention but a couple of things that most Canadians will use and will lose if she ever did get the PM's job. My opinion, and I approve of this reply. 

Are you talking about CO2 output a) per country or b) per person? If the second then we still have a long way to go. The West has not done its fair share. We have warmed the world. China and India will contribute in the future but the status quo is largely our doing. Let’s not try and weasel out of that reality. 

Edited October 9, 2019 by SpankyMcFarland

[taxme]

37 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Are you talking about CO2 output a) per country or b) per person? If the second then we still have a long way to go. The West has not done its fair share. We have warmed the world. China and India will contribute in the future but the status quo is largely our doing. Let’s not try and weasel out of that reality. 

Are you for real? The west has been doing a lot to fight this so called global warming for decades now. Hello? California is smog free today. What the hell are you trying to say here? China and India will be warming up the earth in the future alright, but they have also been warming up the earth for the past decades. Hello? It is you and millions of others like you that are trying to weasel out here about who is the biggest contributor to climate change. It's always easy for greenies like you to go after the west, but find it very hard to find the will to go after the real big polluters in the world. When are we going to see big demonstrations from the environmentalists from all over the world demonstrate against China and India for a change? I don't hear greenie E. May attacking China or India. Probably too scared that she might get called a racist or promoting hate against an identifiable group or people. The west will never demonstrate against those two mentioned because the west has too much money invested and involved in China and India and to do so would hurt their huge bottom line profits that they make from China and India. There will be no demonstrations allowed against polluters like China and India. But plenty of demonstrations against the west will be okay. Such hypocrites that are among us. Disgusting. 

[Dougie93]

Western Canada is a separate country.

Wasn't settled at the same time as Eastern Canada.

Wasn't settled by the same people.

The Western Canadians didn't come from Eastern Canada.

They mostly came from England around the turn of the century.

Failed state Confederation; no unified national interest.

[Cannucklehead]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Western Canada is a separate country.

Wasn't settled at the same time as Eastern Canada.

Wasn't settled by the same people.

The Western Canadians didn't come from Eastern Canada.

They mostly came from England around the turn of the century.

Failed state Confederation; no unified national interest.

Confederation was a grouping of english colonies and French.  Western canada was more english expansion.  The reason why there is a problem with the french is because Quebec city is the oldest city in north america(not including the natives) 

[Army Guy]

20 hours ago, eyeball said:

We'll still do these things just less is all and it's not a plan it's more an inevitability, and you know what the hardest adaptation of all is going to be?  Figuring out how to hold hands and sing Kumbaya as we pass through these troubled times.

If there's anything that's going to destroy the world it'll our unwillingness incapacity to do that.   How hard can it be? Seriously, other than unwillingness what is there to stop or prevent us?

So no plan , on what we are going to replace fossil fuels with, No plan on how your going to survive the winter without electric power …. how we are going to heat our homes, continue our manufacturing capacity, get to work, do basic things like heat water, cook , clean...

I can hardly wait to see if you green freaks can survive a week without power, 2 weeks tops and you'll be in the streets loosing your minds...you guys make me laugh....no plan casue everyone is going to follow that....

[Cannucklehead]

Just now, Army Guy said:

So no plan , on what we are going to replace fossil fuels with, No plan on how your going to survive the winter without electric power …. how we are going to heat our homes, continue our manufacturing capacity, get to work, do basic things like heat water, cook , clean...

I can hardly wait to see if you green freaks can survive a week without power, 2 weeks tops and you'll be in the streets loosing your minds...you guys make me laugh....no plan casue everyone is going to follow that....

That's why we have research.  Things like the electric car, you know? 

But yeah we just aren't trying.  

[Army Guy]

On 10/8/2019 at 8:13 PM, Cannucklehead said:

I believe it's called "magic"

Also, the green party recently dropped Lepine for "comments that do not coincide with our views"

They need to really fix up their organization to be taken seriously imo.

Ya magic mushrooms maybe....