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Politicians of all stripes like to politicize everything and use it to their advantage, and covid is no exception. There was great resistance and pushback to possible alternative treatments and the most notable example was when Trump mentioned hydroxychloroquine as something to examine. I've read about doctors being censored on social media for saying hydroxychloroquine can be effective against covid. Ivermectin and Fluvoxamine may also be effective early treatments against covid according to many doctors. Could lives have been saved if these existing medications would have been used earlier? A potential game changer was dismissed because of the lefties intense hatred for Donald Trump? Joe Rogan: Dr. Pierre Kory Treated 200 Members of Congress With Ivermectin | Video | RealClearPolitics CNN lied about Ivermectin calling it horse de-wormer and not acknowledging that it's been widely used by humans. Ivermectin in COVID-19 - FLCCC | Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (covid19criticalcare.com) The Chinese communists were the first to weaponize covid against rivals but they are not the last to do so.

Please educate yourself and actually look at the numbers rather than listening to some reporter. Its easy....here, I will provide you the direct screenshot for you to see. 1353 hospital beds and 137 ICU beds taken by people that are fully vaxxed. I get the the true comparison needs to be per 100k however here is the question that none of you guys seem to answer: If vaccines worked then why are there 1353 people in hospital beds? At first we were told the vaccine would prevent you from contracting and spreading it. We know that is false. Now they are saying it will prevent you from severe illness. 1353 people in Ontario would beg to differ. If the vaccines actually worked the way they made you believe then there would only be the unvaccinated and maybe a few odd breakthrough cases. The fact is the vaccines have waned and are no longer the proper ones for this variant.

What should they work on with the Democrats? Ignoring inflation? Repealing laws against shoplifting, rioting, looting, assault, and arson? Defunding police? Fraud-friendly election reforms? Opening up the border to human traffickers and drug smugglers? Slandering Kyle Rittenhouse? Should they be praising the amazing Afghanistan withdrawal and all of the Americans stranded or killed there? Lying about elections? Helping Joe's family peddle influence in China and Ukraine? Helping Russia build a pipeline to Germany? COVID hypocrisy/stupidity? Shutting down energy production in North America to drive up the price of energy here and make Americans more reliant on the ME for oil? Oh geez, there are so many worthwhile causes to band together for, where should they even start?

Are americans financially better off now under Biden than Trump? Even with inflation the highest it's been in around 4 decades? If they are truly better off now, why is that not reflected in Biden's approval ratings? Biden has the huge advantage of the MSM carrying him and covering for him. Not to forget having the tech giants firmly on his side helping so suppress his detractors.

The IRS targeted conservative groups. IRS apologizes for targeting conservative groups (nbcnews.com) Lois Lerner, head of the IRS at the time pleads the 5th when asked about it. Of course you're aware that the FBI(Obama) spied on Trump's campaign without justification. The whole thing was based on false evidence( Christopher Steele, Fusion GPS, Hillary ). Intelligence agencies spying on Americans? NSA surveillance exposed by Snowden was illegal, court rules seven years on | Edward Snowden | The Guardian

Canadian government is going ahead with their plan to mandate vaccinations for truck drivers. This is expected to result in the loss of thousands of truck drivers, at a time when supply chains are already on the brink of failing. Keep drivin’ the wedge in deeper and deeper there is no tomorrow, except for the reaper Specially if Trudeua decides our fate Then we’ll be screwed o’er, We Candians, in our Post-national-state

Sounds like more vague bullshit and conspiracy theories. Can you be more specific?

So a sanction imposed collectively, and indiscriminately on a group of people, with no trial, defence, due process and impartial examination of evidence. What is it? How do we understand it, because it's real yes we did it. Still the past or a sign of the future to come?

Let's just reflect for a minute what we're having here. When we suspected recklessness life threatening choices in our earlier life not so long back, we would have: a) a court; tribunal, panel, arbitration, etc b) evidence c) an objective and impartial judge, arbiter etc d) thorough examination of the evidence, on all sides e) a legal specialist assisting the defendant f) a process supposedly objective and impartial g) a detailed explanation of the decision by the judge, panel etc h) a review of the decision f) a possibility of an appeal and so on. And now, scroll only a few months forward and we declare a selected group in the society "reckless", "life threatening" and many other bad things just see and listen, please attention here: based on what? Remember, those points A,B,C and so on? Was it that long ago, really?

1 After doing some research I realized the question I asked is not precise enough. I am looking for radiative forcing or energy transfer based on CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. An increase of say 100ppm of CO2 causes an increase in radiative forcing by what value? Co2 absorbs energy and reemits the energy isotopically, how much energy is absorbed and emitted? ( These values are quite difficult to find online, hence why I ask) 2. I do know there is a net feedback effect, dependent upon water vapor. However, I question if the models take into account reflection of energy back into space from the increased water vapor. 3 Thanks, he has quite a few videos, I do like the detail he provides.

Last night was Saturday night. Formerly known as “Hockey Night in Canada”. Formerly. What I saw was a game at 8 pm- Toronto Maple Larfs versus Colorado Avalanche. Game in Colorada, stadium completely packed. Majority of people in the crowd not wearing masks. Leafs leading 4-1, lost in overtime 5-4. Next up at 10 pm, Ottawa versus Vancouver, in Van. Game was cancelled due to covid. Not even allowed to play in an empty stadium. Hopefully Canadians will notice the disparity. It is hockey after all.

Ratios and numbers are being thrown all over the place to confuse the weak-minded. When I hear that we are shut down because of 300 or so ICU beds in a province that has 350 hospitals, it’s a larf.

It’s not even about ratios, but intent. Spreading the virus is unintentional, and happens anyway whether vaxxed or not. Conflating it to something like abortion is just a fake argument from the idiot brigade.

That's kind of a stretch. The death rate from abortion would be 100% while the death rate from covid is very low for most of the population and somewhat higher for those with pre-existing conditions. Obese people, smokers face greater risk than most. Should governments now force them to go to the gym and make smoking completely illegal? I personally would like to see as many people as possible get vaccinated but not forced by government to do so. IHU: New Covid variant with 46 mutations worries experts in France (yahoo.com) Wow imagine that! Another variant coming ??

About 20 years ago I did a lot of work in this area. What I have come to conclude is that the fixed compensation or political/idealogic bent of systems administration are road blocks to good sick care. I am reminded of a model I was taught at one of the largest medical universities in China, where at one time or in some areas a doctor was assigned a number of patients for life, and was then paid on the basis of who was healthy and alive. Not that I think we need to do that, but you can see there are indeed ways to shift the emphasis on how to reward for performance, vs. penalize for failure. Today medicine in North America is 100% about money (to most, I can tell you from experience NOT all) but it is the overall theme. What is IMHO THE most detrimental exclusion is information - i.e. revealing truth. This I believe is because we live in the shadow of the US LLL (Legal Liability Lottery) where admitting or being discovered to have failed at some function could open you, your employer and your insurers to massive liability. Read the rest of this thread and you can see from our small cross section of Canadiana that those "sue the bastards" attitudes come right through even though that is NOT the way we live for the most part in this country.

I think Shady is having nightmares about Waldo again.

Even more, I'd like to see a grown up intelligent conversation on what is the endgame plan and paths to exit the emergency, sky is falling, etc, pandemic mode. And to this point, I'm not sure that placing all bets on boosters would be a sustainable solution. For once we don't know how long the effective protection, against both transmission and complications, last. If it does not last long (as some early studies suggest) then it's not a solution but a bandaid. Concerns have also been raised about possible long term effects for individuals and on the population level. Certainly, boosters need to be recommended to higher risk groups, and be available freely to anyone who wants them. They can even be mandatory in some very specific work areas subject to solid justification and ongoing monitoring/review. But that should be it. With the media hype and massive propaganda we're developing an expectation, blind belief in a panacea that may not work, and likely would not work in a longer run, sustainably. And once we're fully invested into it, there wouldn't be an easy way out. But once again, our problem is that the interests of the bureaucracy is not in finding intelligent long term solutions serving the society, but quick and easy fixes showing that it is doing something, pretty much anything to justify its cost and keep. And in a serious challenge it can be a real, serious problem. The two just may not be the same, and no one promised that they will always be.

Can't be said any better: "The ones demanding that we comply blindly and without questions or lose all of our righs, are the extremists". And obviously, authoritarians, because this is pure essence of what authoritarianism is, and is about.

This is a tremendous example of a otherwise logical thinking person going stark raving mad from Branch Covidianism. Soon he’ll be saying the same thing about people not getting multiple boosters.

Virus mutated and vaccines wanes both responsible for fully vaccinated to be still in hospitals even in ICU. The truth is vaccines only reduce the probability of severe disease (ICU admissions by 7 fold and hospital admissions by a factor of 3.4) and by smaller amount the infections but does not eliminate it. There is no vaccine in the world for any disease that can prevent infection 100%.

Here's what they're really up to: " Democrats have challenged the legitimacy of every presidential election they’ve lost this millennium: They blamed a corrupt Supreme Court for their defeat in 2000, crooked voting machines in 2004 and Russian interference in 2016 – sparking a years-long collusion hoax to knee-cap Trump’s presidency. But now, as President Biden’s poll numbers tank, his legislative agenda falters and his party’s 2022 prospects look increasingly grim, they and their media allies are adding a new twist to the tactic: They’re challenging elections before they happen. Prestigious news outlets including the New York Times, Washington Post, the Atlantic, NPR and the New York Review of Books warn that American democracy is under siege. With headlines ripped straight from Democratic Party talking points they argue that Republicans are planning a two-pronged coup to seize power in 2022 and beyond. Step one, they say, is a series of election laws being passed by GOP state legislatures designed to thwart the will of the people. Anyone who has bothered to read these pieces of legislation – which modify but still maintain early voting, mail-in voting, and other open-ballot measures – knows that their impact will be negligible. That hasn’t stopped Biden and others from describing them as “Jim Crow in the 21st Century.” Note this is the same argument they made for years about voter ID laws, which, studies show, do not suppress minority turnout. Further claims that the laws will allow state legislatures to pick the winners despite the tallies is also a fabrication. The intent of this argument is clear – to cast doubt on the legitimacy on all Republican victories. That it is being made by the same people who relentlessly (and correctly) assail Trump’s false claims that he won the 2020 election demonstrates their bad faith." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/12/29/the_democrats_problem_with_democracy.html

I get a chuckle out of people who tell you they're independent while they pretend that none of those happened but they're all over Jan. 6. Then they post quotes from RINOs and infiltrators like David Frum, Andrew Sullivan or the Lincoln project like those tools of progdom have some sort of inside knowledge on Conservatives. Good for a laugh, anyway.

That is a very good observation, none of us here, or for that matter the majority of Canadians are not experts, in any medical field...So we are now just going to have to trust the liberal government ? . A government that has on the record as lying to Canadians on COUNTLESS occasions on purpose, starting very early is Justins reign, I'm sorry his track record is not very good, Rebel news has a better track record. Now add this false news to the mix and WTF are we suppose to believe, it's coming at us like a fire hose, and somehow we are suppose to be smart enough to sort through all of it, and at one time we could do that, but sometimes that false news is coming from the government or it's experts...

“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” David Frum

If the government, provincial or federal, mandate vaccines, I hope they get the shit sued out of them. As time goes on, new side effects are discovered. Remember that the emergency authorization use of the vaccines skipped the normal years long trials. The government gave the pharmaceutical companies full legal immunity, but the government themselves can still be held liable.

Based on Alberta data, accounting for age and conditions the risk factor for ICU demand cases may be: There appears to be not a significant difference between ICU cases with those having more than 3 conditions vs those than have no conditions, maybe the maximum is around 20-50% difference. However looking into the age groups, it appears there is a huge difference, where most of the risk is for 60+ age group. But if you examine the same data for deaths, age and conditions, the results are quite different, nearly up to 14% risk factor for 80+ age group with 3 or more conditions. https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm#pre-existing-conditions Data based on ICU no conditions 22.3% and 3 or more conditions 33.4% https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm

always blame the unvaccinated never blame the Soviet Bread Line health care clown city the government is the problem, not the savior stockholm syndrome is a helluva drug

That certainly would be another factor. I know in the UK where they track those fairly well, saw a 30% drop in Covid hospitalizations when they started tracking. Aside from that, I think its interesting to note that based on that data above, 22.3% of ICU admissions were people with no pre-existing conditions. This, however, does not include age in the mix. If we add pre-existing conditions and age then I have to believe that number would be even lower. My largest frustration with this process has been the data (or lack of data) and then the biased representation of the data.

100% correct. I have argued from the beginning that the binary they have imposed (vaccinated versus unvaxxed) is only part of the story. However they have had the numbers to justify their position up till now. Not sure about other provinces but Alberta posted the number of people with cases, hospitalization, ICU and Deaths based on pre-exisiting conditions. As you can see, this is the true binary

It's so much fun to persecute the Jews...well, until they find out about your Jewish great grandmother. Did I say Jews? Sorry...I meant something else.

8 Times Left-Wing Protesters Assaulted Government Buildings (thefederalist.com) Of course the events listed in the above link were covered much differently by the MSM but that's no surprise. Just how awful and openly biased is the MSM? The number 7 incident listed is interesting, a bombing by two radicals...who eventually had their sentences commuted by Bill Clinton.

mass formation psychosis is a helluva drug Weimar Germany on the civilizational level the unvaccinated are the new Jews see CITIZEN_2015 for a prime example of these crazed sheep

This topic title is pure propaganda. In Ontario, ICU admissions contain 106 fully vaccinated vs 119 unvaccinated.

I'm sorry - really I am. I just find it so strange when I question anything I see - including things I agree with - and I find intelligent people (and yes you are all intelligent on here, no dummies) INTELLIGENT people succumbing to lazy lazy thinking. People aren't stupid they are just lazy. They don't examine their premises, or ever assume they're wrong. I enjoy being wrong because it means I am improving my knowledge. So I sincerely apologize for being snippy from time to time...

So anyone that thinks the 2020 election was stolen is corrupt, partisan and morally debased to give credible opinions on the subject of voting and so on. Does that same standard also apply to the people that think the 2016 election was stolen? How about all the other elections that Democrats claim were stolen? I have yet to hear one single credible explanation why Democrats can always complain about elections they lose and challenge the results but Republicans do not have this same right. Why is that?

I guess i was wrong, my bad, And Michael i was having the stroke sorry.

So that whole post is how you say "Oops, I was wrong. Thanks for the correction!" In New Brunswickian?