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"The NGO network" eh? Another MAGA conspiracy theory to deflect the m0rons attention. Anything except Epstein, get 'em talking about anything else. Vance is as big of a sack of shit as his Boss.

The reality we have to accept is the @Chrissy1979 is not going to accept reality. Since chrissy is not talking about reality, nothing she says is relevant and we don't need to address her fantasies.

Indeed, and a huge issue IMO as well. The people violently acting on hateful rhetoric always represent the outer fringes of the left/right line diagram and often the people who incited their antics defend, deflect and rationalize the resulting violence. As it continues and gains momentum, the small fringe element on the left side of the diagram moves right... and the right one moves left... each encompassing more and more of its representative side of the line. Like violence associated with cattle stealing in Africa, it tends to escalate in tit for tat reprisals with each side blaming the other for its initial onset and each attending escalation. There always seem s to be an unsavoury (at least IMO) aspect of perverse enjoyment in it as well, and you see it here with threads that run out to 25 pages on a single sentiment that logical people (working together) could have resolved in under 5 posts. The "turning point" (IMO again) occurs when people stop trying to achieve compromise. And since compromise is a key component of democracy, polarization becomes the political football of choice for partisan gain. In turn, that creates a situation where people begin to have legitimate fears about the outcome of any election that that doesn't go their way. As the see-saw amplitude increases, they accept bad behaviour on the part of "their guy" because the "other guy" promises to be even worse (in their eyes). Then POOF... when people truly do have real and legitimate fears about election outcomes political violence can become a threat to all. If/when it happens, the usual question (after it's too late) is "how did we get here?" There's always the danger that the weapon of choice goes from bolt action 30.06 rifles to car bombs too, at that point, the flame can become self sustaining and discussions about gun control efforts become the sort of political arguments that only took place in the good old days. It's potentially a pretty dark path... I marvel at the appetitive for it in advance of the meal arriving and how quickly it evaporites after the first plate is served.

You want a country to change in minutes, days, weeks? This is not a video game. Also our country’s economy is under an unprecedented assault. I will review in a year post-election and give him one more before I give up and look for a possible alternative.

Hundreds of teachers have been fired, suspended in the last two days alone for their reactions to Kirk's death. A Toronto teacher repeatedly showed the gruesome killing to his 10 year old students, telling them he deserved it, and anyone else who espouses similar beliefs should be treated the same way. These are same people who supported Luigi and lionized him. Elias Rodriguez has a similar following from the Palestinian supporters for his murder of two Israeli embassy staffers. This has been a full mask off moment for the left and so-called moderates who cover for them. Their hero worship and self-righteous sense of justice is sick & dangerous. It will only inspire more twisted minds to commit similar acts. https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1967118789096730836

Well that says it all then.... 😂 Be serious, the guy has an obvious bias running through his blood that will not allow him to see or speak reality, if he wants a job. Maybe rather than listening to JD try looking at some of the data from the two organizations who compile this type information; https://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2025/09/12/trump-blamed-charlie-kirk-murder-on-radical-left-data-says-right-wing-extremists-kill-more/86116958007/ https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states Since 2020, terrorists have killed 81 people in the U.S. Twenty-four people, including Kirk, have been slain for political reasons in 2025, as of Sept. 10, according to Nowrasteh. "Right-wing terrorists account for over half of those murders, Islamists for 21 percent, left-wingers for 22 percent, and 1 percent had unknown or other motivations. There are not many politically motivated terrorist killings in the United States," Nowrasteh wrote. Eighty-three percent of those murdered since 1975 were killed by the 9/11 terrorists (Figure 1). The Oklahoma City Bombing accounts for about another 5 percent. Those murdered since 2020 account for just 2 percent. Terrorists inspired by Islamist ideology are responsible for 87 percent of those murdered in attacks on US soil since 1975 (Table 1). Right-wingers are the second most common motivating ideology, accounting for 391 murders and 11 percent of the total. The definition here of right-wing terrorists includes those motivated by white supremacy, anti-abortion beliefs, involuntary celibacy (incels), and other right-wing ideologies.

People will disagree with decisions you make. Doesn't justify murder.

Not according to the vice president of the United States.

You understand that the data on political acts of violence in the US shows right extremists being far more active don't you?

I'm not the complete ASS H YOU ARE.

Tell me how letting China into the WTO in 2001 was not a mistake. Manufacturing jobs is what makes a country thrive and middle class. Letting rich oligarch sell into your market tax free while exploiting slave labor overseas is how you get income equality. If you actually care for your fellow Americans you would support Trump. You are MAGA , you just haven’t realized it yet.

That's not true! That's not all she's done! She also added valuable and important data that helps prove the existing research that says leftie women are much more likely to be Bat Crap Crazy than normal people. Not a lot of women are involved in science today and here she is contributing! Sure, as more of a test subject than a researcher but still - respect!

LOL I gave you a response, not my fault you refused to listen to it. You want to move on to another baseless assertion and not defend yourself? No surprise there. All you have done for the most part is shit all over this thread like the other leftists.

Precisely. There's no real evidence that he even went there with the intent of harming that guy. Is he more like something that came up in the course of events unfortunately Contrast that to this case where the guy deliberately went out and acquired a rifle illegally apparently retrieving it from a bush where it had been left wrapped in a blanket, carved messages to his enemies on the bullets and the gun and then deliberately executed a plan to assassinate someone to silence their political view. It's just not even remotely comparable

Not true, we wouldn’t be having this conversation if it was. Clearly the international companies want to do business here in America. Trump hold all the cards. Look at the elbows up Canucks on here, they’re getting clobbered.

You're a terrible guesser. Right now foreign nations hold a big advantage over Trump and his haphazard tariffs.

TBH, when a guy just grabs a hammer and wanders to their house while high, that's not likely a plan that they got from listening to Fox News or any other mainstream conservative org. It's a crime of passion from a loonie. You can't compare that to someone who's sober and carries out a plan that took them days or months to plot, where the intent is nothing less than murder.

Probably not, you make up most of your own crap so it's probably fake data designed to distract. So nice try but can you explain why so many shooting recently involve trans people? There's been a number done by trans people and this one seems to be at least in part due to the shooter's trans lover, so why is that? YOU were the one who brought it up, so lets hear it, It's YOUR fault that you mention trans people when a shooting involves a trans person!! YOUR fault! I mean seriously, how do you get to that kind of logic?

So besides the 10 NCAA trans athletes that competed amongst the total of the 550,000 athletes, what particular problem do you have with transgenders? Are you phobic, insecure, curious, or is it because Trump made this a narrative? I personally don't agree with their choice if you can call it that, but I'm also secure enough in my own skin to say live and let live. Why aren't you?

All these trade spat have not been settled. Next year you will see the largest investment driven growth in a generation. Just wait and see. Why you say? Because there is no where else the smart money can go. Everyone in the developed world has aged out. America is the only exception, we still have a healthy consumer demographic under 45.

To the point of this thread, so was MLK.

What would be the point? You have brought zero so far and zero times anything is still 0 You didn't honestly think we take you seriously did you? I mean you haven't said an intelligent thing since the day you got here, and your hypocrisy is insane. If you hear anything you don't like you just simply deny it despite the evidence of facts so it's not like it's possible to have a reasonable conversation. But if you want me to give you something, here. Enjoy this You liberals are VASTLY more into political violence than the right Now???? Did you just meet her? LOLOL

Hey guys! Would you stand in the Ford dealer's lot telling everyone about Chevy's? I know of many other forums but I'll PM people to invite them not use Greg's forum to promote other people's. Soon as someone posts the link on here it boosts their SEO so don't.

You can agree with his points of view, but it's hard to argue that he wasn't a 'provocateur' or 'gadfly' to be generous. If he wanted a better world for all, that could be argued... But there would be significant political pushback from "cities", I would imagine. Some examples of his provocative comments: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/charlie-kirk-did-stoning-gay-120003332.html

And Thank God for that! Some say Carney's the best Conservative PM we've ever had.

Definitely. There should be painted crosswalks as well.

Because Charlie Kirk was a good person and a good pundit, but he does not rise to the level of MLK.

Trump has built a culture that weak minded people simply follow in line with.... Terrorism since 2020 paints a slightly different picture. Since January 1, 2020, terrorists have murdered 81 people in attacks on US soil that account for about 0.07 percent of all homicides during that time (estimated for 2025 so far). Right-wing terrorists account for over half of those murders, Islamists for 21 percent, left-wingers for 22 percent, and 1 percent had unknown or other motivations. There are not many politically motivated terrorist killings in the United States. The Anti-Defamation League Center on Extremism gives different context for deaths attributed to political extremism. From 2015-24, there were 429 deaths. Of those, 76% were attributed to right-wing extremists. Four percent were credited to extremely leftist attackers, and that includes anarchists and Black nationalists. Domestic Islamist extremism makes up about 18% of the total, and other extremism accounts for 1%. https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states The bottom line.... America has turned into some kind of fùcked up country in large part because of the political divisiveness the president promotes.

Trump's version of freedom of speech is that it only applies if it's the narrative he wants for his brainwashed minions. Otherwise, it doesn't apply....

There is zero evidence he's a Groyper. He lived with and was in a romantic relationship with a guy (who thought he was a girl). Groypers hate anyone that is heterosexual. That officially eliminates him. Ninety nine percent of the right disavows these Groypers. They are for government control of a lot of things, they prefer violence over thought, they want a theocracy and a lot more we don't need to go into. The point is, they are not associated with me, or anyone else on this forum. Your insistence that we are the same is dehumanizing and can be used to justify killing us. That is what needs to stop.

Its not the act, it's the actor. To rephrase Beria, show me the man and I'll invent a crime.

Things politicians say are irrelevant since they often deal in lies to persuade. We should only consider their actions. So let's see what he does.

I am saying that groypers had nothing to do with this and have more in common with the Democrats than Republicans. But you insist that they helped this dipshit and that the right (all of the right) is responsible for Charlie's death. There is zero evidence for that. You are trying so desperately to shed responsibility for something that you literally played a role in.

Of course it is, law enforcement is right wing by nature...its definitely with you. Even though it's still not clear what motivated Charlie Kirk's killer there's no mistaking what's motivating the determination to turn his killing into the mother of all galvanizing events.

You’re saying the groypers are not that? Which adjective do you feel didn’t fit?

You don't have a "choice" to take back your own citizen, per the UN Charter. Bring him in a US battleship and drop him off at a port and let Cuba "refuse".

You are so bad at this that it is comical. But I have to say, this type of adherence to 1000% false information and the dehumanization of everyone you place even the slightest association is how this evil a-hole was radicalized to kill Charlie Kirk. Just, try to be a reasonable and good person. Please.

You don't know the first thing about reality or facts here. All you did was mindlessly cut and paste something without bothering to do any critical thinking to check its veracity.

If you do it on a college campus and blow up a building there, could it be Frat-ricide? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA!!!!!!!! (ok, i'll go sit in my corner now. )

Bombing buildings is not genocide.

lol... no doubt they must be leftist journalists. Ahhhh no, journalists don't set expectations and no they don't apply whatever number they want. They report what economists are saying and reference the economist by name or institution. Economists forecast expectations that journalists report. It's called journalism.

I gather you get your economic data on Truth Social? The overall CPI rose 0.4% for the month of August. Energy costs rose by 0.7%, with gasoline prices increasing 1.9%. Food prices increased by 0.5%, with groceries seeing a 0.6% rise. Primary shelter costs saw their fastest increase in months. The 12-month change in the CPI was 2.9%. And just an FYI.... Journalists don't set economic data expectations. They report economists expectations. Stagflation isn't your friend either, but looks more and more to be heading your way. Enjoy the Trump years....you'll be able to tell your children you lived through them, maybe...

No. I said if he is threatening you. Don't try to twist my words because you can make some point later.

When the left wing lieberals phk up, they have to always blame Trump. We know for a fact that Canada has been in decline for the past ten years all thanks to left wing lieberalism bullshit. The only way for Canada to get back on track and become a great country is for the left wing lieberals to be removed from power. Canada should be one filthy rich country and all Canadians should also be filthy rich. But we will always be broke and woke until the lieberal disease is eradicated. Lieberals are a bunch of pink panty cowardly buffoons who like to shoot people. It's elbows down for those useless losers. 👎

True. But you have to be putting forth an actual effort to accomplish that, which Israel clearly is not doing.

If Israel wanted all the Palestinians dead, all the Palestinians would be dead. Instead, their population has drastically increased while under Israeli 'occupation'. A colony that somehow managed to plant their temple underneath a big mosque.

Yeah, a lot of Right wing pundits and politicians are calling Kirk's killing a turning point, but didn't say much about the Minnesota murders. I feel like this is going to get worse before it gets better (if it ever does get better).

Like Trump, you don't know the difference between lies and truth anymore. One person is not "the left". aljazeera.com/news 11 Mar 2025 "Last month, a man was found guilty of a hate crime for the fatal stabbing of a six-year-old Palestinian American boy 18 months ago" THAT is the right today! (according to you)

I didn't say that. Don't be such a pu55y.

So, you are a big fan of making sure Kindergartners have access to Porn in school?