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I'm not so sure that it was a deliberate power-grab, but rather just something they wanted to do to avoid delays on further action down the road. It was a poor decision and even poorer attempt regardless, and the government ought to be embarrassed that they even tried.

Trump still has the power to overwhelm a thread about how Trudeau has failed Canada on COVID-19.

I'm not rich by the standards of the rich, I'm just rich by my standards, since I grew up poor

My duty is to protect my wife This is a Bio Safety Level 3 Pathogen So I have my wife at DEFCON 1 at this time If it turns out to be a false alarm ; praise the Lord

Wow, when you put it that way... Maybe you and all your friends should get together and have a big rally... you know, show Trudeau who is boss...

I think the 2-year power grab by Trudeau and friends is the biggest failure of them so far in all this. It's truly disgusting for any patriot to try and use this crisis to grab power that long. Politicians should be stepping up to serve this country, not play games like that. Disgraceful.

To wit, the RCR Battleschool is life altering, once you pass through the gates, you can never go back

Live in the now like there is no tomorrow, you're never truly living it, until you do Two way range mortal peril, is actually liberating This is how we infantrymen get addicted to this shit

So a New Jersey man has been charged with terrorism for coughing on another person Even if you're not spooked by the bug, this is the main reason to hunker down : to avoid the government when the government is in an hysterical panic

We don't have a useful point of reference for the current health crisis. None of the viral outbreaks we've seen over the last 30-40 years have been nearly as serious. Comparisons to SARS, MERS or H1N1 are worthless because those viruses didn't spread nearly as quickly or as insidiously. We'd probably have to go back 100 years to the Spanish Flu to come up with a similar pandemic, but both the economy and the health care systems were so different then that it's not that useful either. One point that seems to be overlooked by a lot of people is that it's the fact that most people DO NOT get very sick that makes this coronavirus so problematic. A virus that consistently exhibits early, serious and obvious signs of infection is easy to track and contain. This one doesn't. The very fact that it's mild for most people is what allows it to spread undetected and cause such a serious problem. A terrifying virus like Ebola with an R0 of less than 1.3 (and 50% mortality) is actually far less dangerous than something like like coronavirus, with an R0 of probably 3-4 and a 1-2% mortality rate. It sounds silly, but, but that's how compound/exponential growth works. As for the economic side of things, most people don't really understand how the global system works. Even BEFORE the imposed shut-downs, companies were facing huge supply-side problems and layoffs were imminent, just on account of things not arriving from China etc. As the healthcare situations in Italy and Spain spiral out of control (with more to follow), those economies start shutting/slowing down as well which leads to further disruptions. Fear and anxiety start taking root (reasonably) and that's when people stop deciding to spend money. What initially started as a supply-shock to the economy is therefore followed by a demand-shock. We end up in a situation where manufacturers can't build what they planned because parts aren't coming in, and nobody wants to buy half their stuff anyways because they don't know what's going on with their jobs. The bottom-line, worst-case scenario is obviously that we'd say "To hell with the elderly" and just let the virus run its course and cull the weak/old. IF we decided to do that, and IF people didn't care about their parents and grandparents - then yeah, the economic impact would be mild. That's not the reality though.

Yeah I've been trying to tell everyone this for the last couple of weeks. Given their initial cover up and their flexibility with the truth, I don't think we can trust a word they say on this matter. Nobody else has managed to just shut the virus down cold-turkey, so how has this disaster of a government managed to stop it all at 81,000 cases? Not likely. There's no doubt that EVERYONE's numbers are underestimating the number of people infected. This virus doesn't have a 14% mortality rate. If we're to believe the 1-3% mortality rate instead, we're underestimating the number of infected by at least 10x.

Why, what will happen? People will be poor? Yeah, being poor sucks. Shortages everywhere? Yeah, that would suck too. Still, being poor is preferable to being dead. I don't have money in the stock market, so I'm not losing anything there. I expect the value of my townhouse will drop dramatically, by $100,000.00, maybe more. Oh well. I expect to have to pay higher taxes under a Conservative Gov't within a couple of years when we need to reduce the deficit. So what? Being poor(er) and alive is a better alternative to dying or losing someone I love because some people put a higher value on "the economy" than the health and life of other people.

Not everything Trump does is wrong. Just most. Like his handling of the pandemic. The USA, far and away, has the highest acceleration of new cases and will unfortunately blow by all others. Trump's reaction has resulted in poor outcomes. They will need to have lots of beds, ventilators and qualified personnel ready. Great Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Canada is looking at a century-old drug for treating gout that seems to reduce inflammation in the respiratory system.

Bottom line tho, this is a war and it will have all the characteristics, to include lasting much longer than people thought it would at the beginning So pace yourself, and brace yourself to hunker down indefinitely

I don't rule out the Chinese Fort Detrick of Wuhan being the source I don't think it is an engineered weapon, nor even a de jure weapon It is zoonotic, but that doesn't mean they didn't then take it into their lab to do research It wouldn't be a deliberate attack, rather it simply broke containment The Chinese have had breaches before, SARS escaped from their lab in Beijing, twice

Yeah, I think I will apply for a position with WHO when I retire the rest of the way. I hear the corruption kickbacks there will be better.

It's amazing what virologists you people are becoming.

It is very easy to see where most of Justin Trudeau's focus was in February and early March by examining his Twitter feed. Trudeau uses the American social media app to communicate with Canadians, or to retweet the posts of others. He was more concerned with getting credit for other initiatives than with COVID-19 actions. That all changed once his wife became infected. https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau

Nope. Anti-Malaria drugs might break the cycle down to where it's manageable. There was good reason for the shutdown, it's just that there's hope it can end soon.

So, in a National Health Crisis, the minority liberal government got together with the Opposition parties and provincial premiers to strike a deal for a financial bail-out package that is much needed to help Canadians and Canadian businesses in these trying times. Everyone agreed that it was necessary and supported the bill as it was then presented to them. All federal parties agree to send a set number of MPs to the HoC for an extraordinary recall of Parliament. And yesterday they gathered expecting that this would be passed in the House and sent to the Senate at the end of the day. Done deal, right? Wrong. Unbeknownst to ALL opposition members the underhanded hubristic MINORITY liberal government saw this Health crisis as a great opportunity to sneak a few little extras into the bill without informing the opposition - in a bid to give themselves almost unlimited powers over any financial dealings. Specifically, "It allowed the finance minister to tax, spend and borrow with impunity, but without parliamentary approval, until the end of next year." (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-liberals-cant-help-being-opportunistic-with-their-covid-19-aid-bill) Until DECEMBER 2021 no less. Rightfully and thankfully for Canadians, Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition united in furor over this unprecedented grab for power. Instead of the much vaunted ease of the bill flying through the HoC by the PM, chaos ensued resulting in the suspension of the House until such a time as all parties could agree on a final draft. Consensus was reached around midnight last night. The Opposition parties held strong and the final bill deals ONLY with financial aid and the measures necessary to see the money distributed. With all my heart, I thank each and every single member of the Opposition for standing strong for Canadian democracy.

I agree with that, start with those in society who are unaccustomed to rigorous hygiene practices Sorry, that is not racist, just common sense (like the cute cartoons in Europe reminding 'newcomers' rape is not ok), then continue with a more general education/reminder campaign (including mild exercise, fresh air and sunshine). Unfortunately there is a pervasive attitude today that 'science' means we stop asking questions, Orwell would be proud about that. Why is there never any real debate, it is always one-side and then mock/attack the opposing view. Read about the 'English Hippocrates' & 'Father of Epidemiology' Thomas Syndenham. He was mocked by the establishment, but got results they could only dream of (not enough to change their practices though, the show must go on!). Thankfully there is some rational thought emerging, but you have to search for it.

Today's global economy is to past economies as COVID-19 is to the common cold. Exactly what kind of global economies are you comparing here, the old camel tracked Silk Road of the 2nd century to an economy where 350 containers fall of ships every year with nary a shrug? The assumption that this is just another ancient virus that has been pestering us forever is as wrongheaded as assumptions this virus is a brand new bioweapon. So is imagining a global economy based on camels and shipping containers are the same. But you know what's really misguided, the fear that the end of today's economy will spell the end of the future. If there's anything human beings have been surviving just fine forever its the occasional bad quarterly report.

Like I said, we're not proposing months of house arrest and 100% isolation. That's a straw-man that folks like Trump are tossing around. Everyone can't stay home. Parts of the economy still MUST function. We know that. That being said, the virus will cripple large parts of the economy regardless of what we do. Whether governments impose self-isolation or not, people aren't going to be spending money. Until the anxiety and uncertainty we're dealing with shows signs of resolving, people won't be travelling, going to restaurants, playing sports and certainly won't be making big-ticket purchases when there are mass-layoffs and global supply-chain problems. The idea that we just lift the shutdown measures and things go back to economic-normal isn't base on reality. To oversimplify, we're looking at a shorter-term reduction to something like 35% economic capacity so that we can get back to 75% capacity over the coming months, and then more quickly to 100% capacity in 2021. The alternative is that we limp along at 65% capacity, things get much worse, and then we drop down to <50% anyways and it lasts far, far longer, with far worse long-term consequences. Those percentages are all made up, so don't overthink the "math". I'm just trying to illustrate the idea. It's what I'm hearing daily on conference calls with Canadian and US macro-economists and investment strategists managing hundreds of billions. We cannot separate the health impact from the economic impact. As one goes down the crapper, the other follows.

No, but nobody is saying we need to lock everything down for 5-6 months. As he said, a slow and pensive return to more normal functions will likely be how we proceed from here. The virus is going to be circulating and spreading, likely, for at least a year, and we frankly can't just shut down the economy for that long. On the other hand, we can't return to normal economic function (or even close to it) until cases start slowing and the outlook improves. By can't, I mean it doesn't matter if lock-downs are imposed or optional. The economy will not function properly as long as hospitals stay overloaded and people are dying without access to ventilators. People won't travel, they won't go to restaurants and they won't gather or do a lot of normal activities. Consumer spending will be steeply curtailed, which will subsequently lead to companies stockpiling inventory and eventually more layoffs. Global economies will not function amidst this sort of health crisis. Some parts of it will, but there's way too much uncertainty for money to flow like it needs to for business-as-normal. The idea that we lift the isolation measures and things just start chugging along again is pure fantasy.

It seems like every boss in Ontario has declared that his or her business---like Staples, Tim Hortons and PetSamrt----is essential and will not close tomorrow. Since nobody listens to the Premier and follow his order, obviously his job is useless and non-essential, and should be closed according to his own order.....LOL

For perspective. This week, the US is adding around 100 deaths per day. Canada still hasn't gone past 30 total. The US is adding more than double the new cases a day than Canada's total since the outbreak began. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

1) Nothing 2) Nothing 3) You can achieve social distancing without completely shutting down the economy, South Korea knows. You simply seem to be under the mistaken impression that destroying the economy is the only way to social distance.

Can't make this stuff up. Trudeau tells all Canadians to come home...all 3,000,000 of them ? So the U.S. snowbirds pile into their RVs and SUVs and make a run for the border. Their Canadian dollars are worth less in the USA, so better to cross the border and hit a Wal-Mart to load up on supplies, putting more pressure on stock in Canada. Someday this is going to make another great Zombie movie.

Simply filing a return is going to be an issue. My accountant doesn't seem to interested in receiving my bundle of receipts and such never mind the fact she just returned from an overseas cruise.

I have no problem with social distancing. It's a good thing, damned good. Kind of difficult to do though, when you live in high-density urban housing. Then no distancing is possible, it's just simple physics. The more people you have in one areas, the greater the percentage chance the virus is going to appear there. And run rampant, wiping them out in great numbers. Meanwhile out in rural areas it is easy for us to stay safe and to isolate ourselves. Not much to do really, it's already like that out here. Economic distancing? You wish pal. You really are stupid, if you think the bank is going to take the hit for you. Government bailout, I think not. Your not native or just arrived from somewhere else. You dumb Canadian white boy, get nothing.

I'm convinced this thing is going to spread no matter what. It's too spread now. Travel should have been shutdown already, it's too late. This winter my roommate was sick, i was anal about disinfecting and isolating myself from them but i got sick anyways. You can wash your hands all you want but when you breath in microscopic water droplets there's no chance. Part of me just wants to get it and recover so i don't have to worry about it anymore LOL.

I guess in a very small percentage it could be nurture, but it's mainly nature. People are born that way.

None of these sorts of things are going to pan out in a way that stops the crash, the only thing which will stabilize things is a safe and effective vaccine

How do you achieve social distancing without damaging the economy? I want specific answers. How do you keep shops and workplaces open without spreading the virus?