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[GostHacked]

Where's that? Anything going on there? Haven't heard a thing. Must be very peaceful there or I'm sure we'd have heard something.

Riiiiight.

[ironstone]

I think surrendering is what most of them would advise, then leaving Israel to its 'rightful owners'.

By chance is your real name Libby Davies?

[jacee]

The "matter" won't be going to international court because the court is voluntary.

http://m.france24.com/en/20140725-israel-icc-war-crimes-gaza-complaint-filed/

[jacee]

Yes, what Jacee doesn't understand is that she's the one being led down the garden path by Hamas. She is sympathizing with them because they are putting their children in harms way and manipulating the media to photograph it. Everyone says Hamas is winning the PR war, why? because numbskulls by into it. Hey Jacee, you want save Palastinian children, stop supporting what Hamas is doing. Hamas thrives on the heartstrings of young western leftist women.

And some old women too.

Until Israel lifts the seige, Hamas (and the unruly brigades they can't quite control) are justified in doing whatever they can against Israel.

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[Smallc]

http://m.france24.com/en/20140725-israel-icc-war-crimes-gaza-complaint-filed/

And the verdict will be meaningless, no matter the outcome.

[Mighty AC]

I haven't been participating in this discussion but I read an excellent article this morning and thought it worth sharing:

"7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides in the Middle East Conflict" - Ali A. Rizvi

By falling into the trap of choosing sides we are part of the problem: "By definition, tribal conflicts thrive and survive when people take sides. Choosing sides in these kinds of conflicts fuels them further and deepens the polarization."

So you really don't have to choose between being "pro-Israel" or "pro-Palestine." If you support secularism, democracy, and a two-state solution -- and you oppose Hamas, settlement expansion, and the occupation -- you can be both.

[iolo]

If they weren't Nazis, the Europeans would have all have lain down and died when the Germans needed their land. The trouble with racism is that it rots the mind!

[jacee]

Oh now we're seeing progress ... !

israeli-professor-rape-hamas-militiants-mothers-sisters-deter-terrorist-attacks

An Israeli academic has claimed that raping wives and mothers of Palestinian Hamas militants is the only thing that could deter further terrorist attacks.

The remarks by renowned Middle East scholar Mordechai Kedar of Bar-Ilan University were made three weeks ago ...

[The_Squid]

I haven't been participating in this discussion but I read an excellent article this morning and thought it worth sharing:

"7 Things to Consider Before Choosing Sides in the Middle East Conflict" - Ali A. Rizvi

By falling into the trap of choosing sides we are part of the problem: "By definition, tribal conflicts thrive and survive when people take sides. Choosing sides in these kinds of conflicts fuels them further and deepens the polarization."

That's well-said in the article and a position that Canada should be taking.

[ironstone]

Hey jacee I'm still waiting for you to answer my question.Rockets get launched from schools and hospitals,what should the IDF do?If you don't like what they currently do,warn civilians to leave and then attack the launch site,what is your alternative?

[ironstone]

And some old women too.

Until Israel lifts the seige, Hamas (and the unruly brigades they can't quite control) are justified in doing whatever they can against Israel.

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And there you have it,complete backing by a Canadian citizen for a known terrorist organization that has repeatedly said that all Israelis,men,women and children are legitimate targets.Anything goes.No effort whatsoever to avoid civilian casualties,none.

The Hamas charter?No problem,don't care!.....right jacee?

Beyond pathetic!

[TimG]

That's well-said in the article and a position that Canada should be taking.

Did you read it?

You don't have to like what Israel is doing to abhor Hamas. Arguably, Israel and Fatah are morally equivalent. Both have a lot of right on their side. Hamas, on the other hand, doesn't have a shred of it.

When Hamas' missiles head towards Israel, sirens go off, the Iron Dome goes into effect, and civilians are rushed into bomb shelters. When Israeli missiles head towards Gaza, Hamas tells civilians to stay in their homes and face them.

That is all that people are really saying. Hamas is the problem and Hamas needs to be stopped. Once that happens Israel and Fatah need to negotiate a fair two state solution.

[Argus]

Until Israel lifts the seige, Hamas (and the unruly brigades they can't quite control) are justified in doing whatever they can against Israel.

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There ya go! An explicit admission of support for Hamas.

And people said no one would dare.

[bush_cheney2004]

Excuse me...but do any of the Hamas supporters remember why Gaza is "under siege" ?

[dre]

Did you read it?

That is all that people are really saying. Hamas is the problem and Hamas needs to be stopped. Once that happens Israel and Fatah need to negotiate a fair two state solution.

Israel has absolutely no interest or intention in negotiating a two state solution with Fatah or anyone else. Especially while Likud is in charge. Not EVER allowing an arab state west of the river jordan is a core plank of their constitution.

[Mighty AC]

That is all that people are really saying. Hamas is the problem and Hamas needs to be stopped. Once that happens Israel and Fatah need to negotiate a fair two state solution.

Exactly. The concluding sentences say it all: "So you really don't have to choose between being 'pro-Israel' or 'pro-Palestine.' If you support secularism, democracy, and a two-state solution -- and you oppose Hamas, settlement expansion, and the occupation -- you can be both."

[Bonam]

I think I figured out the perfect solution. ISIS can conquer the West Bank and Gaza and make them part of their caliphate, along with Jordan and Egypt. Then the Palestinians can be part of a large contiguous "viable" Islamic Arab state, just as they want to be.

[jacee]

Hey jacee I'm still waiting for you to answer my question.Rockets get launched from schools and hospitals,what should the IDF do?If you don't like what they currently do,warn civilians to leave and then attack the launch site,what is your alternative?

What does Hamas really want?

Read the list of conditions published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them.

withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence;

release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested;

an end to the siege and opening of the crossings;

opening of a port and airport under UN management;

expansion of the fishing zone;

international supervision of the Rafah crossing;

an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and

closure of Gazas air space to Israeli aircraft;

permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque;

and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government;

opening Gazas industrial zone.

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Edited July 30, 2014 by jacee

[Smallc]

The crossings used to be open...suicide bombers put an end to that.

[Shady]

The crossings used to be open...suicide bombers put an end to that.

Yep. A lot of things used to be open. Suicide bombers and the Palestinian's stupid Intifada put an end to all of them. You'd think at some point they'd examine and rethink their strategy.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why would Hamas suicide bombers need multiple border crossings....isn't is a one way trip to murder Israelis ?

[Shady]

Btw, why don't any of these pro-Hamas types ever complain about Egypt's refusal to open it's border to Gaza?

[eyeball]

Hey jacee I'm still waiting for you to answer my question.Rockets get launched from schools and hospitals,what should the IDF do?If you don't like what they currently do,warn civilians to leave and then attack the launch site,what is your alternative?

The IDF could try launching schools and hospitals in Gaza.

Too Kumbiya?

[Hal 9000]

What does Hamas really want?

Read the list of conditions published in the name of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, and judge honestly whether there is one unjust demand among them.

withdrawal of Israel Defense Forces troops and allowing farmers to work their land up to the fence;

release of all prisoners from the Gilad Shalit swap who have been rearrested;

an end to the siege and opening of the crossings;

opening of a port and airport under UN management;

expansion of the fishing zone;

international supervision of the Rafah crossing;

an Israeli pledge to a 10-year cease-fire and

closure of Gazas air space to Israeli aircraft;

permits to Gaza residents to visit Jerusalem and pray at the Al-Aqsa mosque;

and an Israeli pledge not to interfere in internal Palestinian politics such as the unity government;

opening Gazas industrial zone.

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Assuming that one believes that those are their demands, it looks like there is some starting points. However, Hamas and the palestinians have said and shown that they want much more.

Also, most of those demands make Israel more susceptible to attack from Gaza.

[jacee]

Assuming that one believes that those are their demands, it looks like there is some starting points. However, Hamas and the palestinians have said and shown that they want much more.

Also, most of those demands make Israel more susceptible to attack from Gaza.

A 10 year cease fire is the offer from Hamas/Islamic Jihad, with those conditions.

I think that's pretty reasonable.

Hamas is growing up, I think, listening to the people of Gaza who want to be more self sufficient and develop industry and opportunity in peace and freedom.

The only chance for a real solution is exactly the opposite of the way Israel is going. A port in Gaza to export its excellent strawberries? To Israelis this sounds like heresy. Here once again, the preference is for (Palestinian) blood over (Palestinian) strawberries.