Bonam Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 But, you refuse to say that Islam is worse than Christianity, so, I'm left with the understanding that you'd be just as comfortable living in Islam as Christianity - am I wrong? Can you at least admit that you have a better life in Canada than you would in say...Syria, Iran or Saudi Arabia? Modern Christianity may be less of a scourge than Islam, but the good part about Canada (and most Western countries) isn't the Christianity, it's the secularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 A 10 year cease fire ... I think a lot of Israeli people will support that, and the conditions. Not really for us to say, but it will be interesting to see. . .....and you continue to ignore the Hamas Charter - it's covenant - it's reason for existence.....and what it says is that any peace agreements, any negotiations - are meaningless and their job is not done until every Jew is dead. It's not about the Palestinian people - it's about Hamas. Hamas would love a 10 year truce - it will give them tine to re-stock their rockets and missiles and then 4 or 5 years later, it starts all over again. You simply don't get it....all the Jews have to die. That's what you are supporting with your naïve platitudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What you are missing here is the empathy jaycee feels for innocent palestinian families. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread or perhaps another thread on this very subject, that there are many people who feel no empathy for the innocent victims here which fuels the war. Rightly so. Thats what Hamas wants your empthy so they can continue with there goals.....looks like it is working....alot of tears being shed for an organization that should be showing the world it can rebuild and live peacefully....with out rockets, bombers, and other terrorist tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) Dre's last post is tell tale. He accuses Israel of not wanting to enter into a truce with Hamas. Its almost as good as Jacee's leture that Israel refuses to enter into a 10 year truce with Hamas. Where will these two people be today.Where will "Hudson Jones" and West and all the other pro Hamas supporters who claim they are concerned about Palestinian civilians and that is why they support Hamas-where will they be today? Where will these arm chair experts on Hamas, who call Israel immoral and have it all figured out-where will they be today? Today for the third time Israel agreed to a truce and stopped firing. Today for the third time Hamas broke that truce and in this case killed IDF soldiers and kidnapped one. For the third time they have broken a truce with Israel within seconds of claiming to agree to it. Interesting how Dre claims Israel wasn't willing to enter intio a truce with Hamas which is an absolute and utterly false statement. Interesting how Jacee lectures Israel that it should enter a 10 year agreement with Hamas when it breaks truces within seconds. I stated three times on this forum in the last week that Hamas will not honour any truce. It is absurd to expect Israel to enter into any agreement with them when they have stated openly it is acceptable to break truces and use them as a pretext to lull Israelis into death. I state this as precisely as possible-what Hamas has done is to prove what is evident, they are lying cowards. They lie through their teeth and then state their religion permits them to do so. They do so in the name of Allah claiming this is an acceptable military tactic because Muhammed used peace treaties as a way to engage in surprise attacks on the other side. This latest breach proves beyond a clear doubt John Kerry was wrong-dead wrong to demand anyone enter into an agreement with Hamas. It proves Hamas can never be negotiated with. It took this latest breach to shut him up and unfortunately I think the only thing Netanyahu could do was enter a truce as he did to prove to Kerry once and for all, its pointless. Now its come to pass. Kerry is in Washington with his head up his buttox and Obama can not pull it out. Neither Obama or Kerry can say to Israel or Egypt, you two must make peace with Hamas and enter into a truce with them. Hamas has ridiculed Kerry and in effect done to him what Muslim extremists did to the ambassador of the US in Libya before they killed him. Hamas has shown loudly what it thinks of Kerry. Dre and Jacee and Wes and the lot of you pro Hamas sympathizers who will not criticize their use of civilians as death props, who will not acknowledge and pretend like Dre that they have not entered into and breached truces and are reasonable and honourable-you all can come on the board now and tell us how Hamas acted reasonably and its reasonable to breach a truce within seconds of signing it. Bottom line-we are now at the point of no return, The humiliation of Israel and Egypt with the latest truce breach means Israel now will not pull out once the tunnels are down-they will keep going and take down Hamas. This was never about Hamas defending its people and asking for peaceful coexistence. This is about Hamas demanding unilaterally an extremist Muslim caliphate in Israel, Gaza, the West Bank and Jordan, and then reuniting it with ISIS who would create the same caliphate in Syria, Lebanon and Iraq. Israel now has to take out Hamas not just for its sake but the sake of Palestinian civilians. Edited August 1, 2014 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 A ceasefire would be binding on both sides and if Hamas violated it, then Israel would no longer be bound by it. The fact that Israel doesnt want the "firing" to "cease" is rather telling. Ya there's pretty much a dead silence from Israel on the Hamas proposal. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Oh there's Jacee right on time ignoring that Hamas broke the latest truce Israel entered into with them. Silence she says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 This is a rather silly post. A ceasefire would be binding on both sides and if Hamas violated it, then Israel would no longer be bound by it. The fact that Israel doesnt want the "firing" to "cease" is rather telling. It's interesting you say this given the latest truce lasted 19 minutes and was, on the basis of probabilities, broken by Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What you are missing here is the empathy jaycee feels for innocent palestinian families. Someone mentioned earlier in this thread or perhaps another thread on this very subject, that there are many people who feel no empathy for the innocent victims here which fuels the war. Rightly so. It's hard to emphasize with people who are violently determined upon a course which continually leads to tragedy for them. I feel more empathy for the people caught up in the mess next door, in Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Dre's last post is tell tale. He accuses Israel of not wanting to enter into a truce with Hamas. Its almost as good as Jacee's leture that Israel refuses to enter into a 10 year truce with Hamas. Where will these two people be today.Where will "Hudson Jones" and West and all the other pro Hamas supporters who claim they are concerned about Palestinian civilians and that is why they support Hamas-where will they be today? Where will these arm chair experts on Hamas, who call Israel immoral and have it all figured out-where will they be today? They'll be with all those people who marched and demonstrated and boycotted Rhodesia so it could be 'free' under Robert Mugabe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's hard to emphasize with people who are violently determined upon a course which continually leads to tragedy for them. I feel more empathy for the people caught up in the mess next door, in Syria. This post isn't about Syria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Thats what Hamas wants your empthy so they can continue with there goals.....looks like it is working....alot of tears being shed for an organization that should be showing the world it can rebuild and live peacefully....with out rockets, bombers, and other terrorist tech. It has nothing to do with Hamas quite frankly. It has to do with feeling humanitarian and trying to provide support for the innocent palestenian families being massacred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 It has nothing to do with Hamas quite frankly. It has to do with feeling humanitarian and trying to provide support for the innocent palestenian families being massacred. What is the plan for Hamas and the palestinians here? They know their rockets are doing nothing, they have no real ground force, how can they win this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's interesting you say this given the latest truce lasted 19 minutes and was, on the basis of probabilities, broken by Hamas. Unless all of Hammas is on #omgceasefire .. it will take time to get that message to everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Unless all of Hammas is on #omgceasefire .. it will take time to get that message to everyone. Especially considering they have no power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstone Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Ya there's pretty much a dead silence from Israel on the Hamas proposal. . A ten year ceasefire gives Hamas a lot of time to stock up on weapons and extend the tunnel system(Jacee,why are the Palestinians tunnelling into Israel? ).So much money pouring into Gaza,much of it from the hated West and the EU.What chance does peace have when Palestinian children are taught from day one to hate Jews? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 West Coast Hamas has real power. It deliberately assures the death of Palestinian civilians daily. If this is as you say about humanity then surely you should understand until Palestinians are freed from Hamas they will continue to be sacrificed by Hamas. You really care about Palestinians? Then condemn Hamas for what it does to them.Call for the disarming of Hamas. That in turn turns the IDF into a moot point. It is absolute bull to use the name of Palestinians and their deaths as tragic and remain silent as to Hamas' culpability for their death, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 Israel sure knows how to exploit the death it it's soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 How Ghost. Finish what you started. Explain how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted August 6, 2014 Report Share Posted August 6, 2014 Especially considering they have no power. They had the power to elect Hamas, and if there was a vote today they'd do it again, by a landslide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 They had the power to elect Hamas, and if there was a vote today they'd do it again, by a landslide. I think she was referring to the lack of electrical power to distribute a message quickly (lack of operating communication infrastructure). That would be a valid criticism, except that ceasefires are usually announced well ahead of when they actually take effect, meaning there is plentiful time to distribute the necessary information (that a ceasefire will be in effect starting at such and such a time on such and such a date). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 They had the power to elect Hamas, and if there was a vote today they'd do it again, by a landslide. And you know this because you were over there chatting with them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 And you know this because you were over there chatting with them? Nope. It was a message brought through the tin foil hat. Came directly from Muhammed apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 And you know this because you were over there chatting with them? I actually don't know if they'd be elected again. But part of the problem, is that it's not real democracy. Hamas kills it's political opponents. You either vote for them, or shut up, or die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) For anyone defending what Hamas did, please come on this board and explain why you ignore the Hamas charter, Edited August 7, 2014 by Rue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 Ghost I am still waiting. How does Israel exploit the death of its soldiers. You made an accusation finish it. Do you think your insulting the death of IDF soldiers has in any way addressed the comment Argus made? Well? Show where Israel and the IDF deliberately kill their soldiers to exploit those deaths. Finish the slur you started. What makes your comment as low as it gets is that in this latest conflict like the ones before it, IDF soldiers have died and will continue to die in the heat of battle precisely because they are restrained from using their weapons to avoid killing civilians. in fact it says in the Hamas combat manual that since the IDF must protect Palestinian lives, Hamas operatives should exploit this and deliberately use civilians as shields. How about instead of coming on this forum and defending Hamas you go read their charter and fighting manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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