Iran War

[Gaétan]

The protests that were repressed in Iran were organized by influencers paid by the cia and the Israeli secret services to make the attacks against Iran and the genocide of its people look justified in the eyes of the international community; nothing is more criminal on a global level than the governments of those two countries

[bush_cheney2004]

6 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

... nothing is more criminal on a global level than the governments of those two countries

 

Sure...Iran would never do such things, because we all know that the Islamic Revolution only accepts good guys with the best of intentions.

[ironstone]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

Just about every Cuban had a longer lifespan than the average American during that time.

It is slightly higher but I would guess that it's mostly because of the poor diet of Americans and their easy access to junk food which is probably pretty scarce in Cuba.

When I was in Cuba 20 years ago, I only remember seeing one person in 7 days that was a bit chubby, everyone else that I saw was rather slim.

[Venandi]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Countries with a history of genocides, such as the United States and Israel, should be the first to give up their bombs and nuclear programs, under penalty of international sanctions — just as offenders should not be allowed to possess weapons.

Fair enough, we'll put you in charge of negotiating that with Donald.

In the meantime, are you OK with Iran having nukes? That's the burning question here...

 

Edited March 26 by Venandi

[Michael Hardner]

Interesting take...

 

 

 

[User]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Interesting take...

Not quite as interesting as to why you find this so interesting that you would post it here. 

This dude has predicted Ukraine's imminent demise and collapse just about every month since the start of the war years ago. 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

15 hours ago, User said:

Not quite as interesting as to why you find this so interesting that you would post it here. 

I'm not saying that he's right, just interested in getting an analysis of the situation that includes details.

You're more familiar with him than I am, and this is the first thing I have seen from him, so your assessment is pertinent thanks.

 

Edited to add: I discounted his opinion by a lot after thinking about this post.  The Ukraine assesment was egregiously off the mark.

Edited March 30 by Michael Hardner

[Gaétan]

Trump wants to send ground troops because his stock of missiles is depleted

[Nationalist]

47 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Trump wants to send ground troops because his stock of missiles is depleted

And you know this...how?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And you know this...how?

Are you DOUBTING the credentials of the voices in his head?!?!  (they said you'd do that...)

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Are you DOUBTING the credentials of the voices in his head?!?!  (they said you'd do that...)

Yes. I also doubt he has the intellect of an educated adult.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes. I also doubt he has the intellect of an educated adult.

I doubt he has the intellect of an educated adult hamster never mind an adult human, but he's still kind of fun to have around   

Edited March 30 by CdnFox

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I doubt he has the intellect of an educated adult hamster never mind an adult human, but he's still kind of fun to have around   

Fun?

I have no patience for the likes of robo-dweeb. This is not fun or even amusing anymore.

If these traitors wanna dance...I say ICE should oblige with extreme prejudice and force.

Enough is enough for fck sakes!

 

[Gaétan]

ICE agents are Trump’s Gestapo

[bush_cheney2004]

16 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

ICE agents are Trump’s Gestapo

 

Actually, ICE is Congress' "Gestapo", being authorized and funded by the Homelanad Security Act of 2002 by law.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/immigration_and_customs_enforcement_(ice)

[Hodad]

On 3/26/2026 at 6:56 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I disagree...President Obama very much wielded American military and economic power to meet his administration's foreign policy objectives, many of which were continuations of Bush era policies for Iraq and Afghanistan plus the Libya/Gaddafi doublecross,  in some cases doubling down on attacks.

 

President Biden authorized military strikes in several nations, including Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, and Afghanistan.  He used American military power for its intended purpose.   Bill Clinton's Sec'y of State got this right:

 

 

I didn't say that they were pacificists or non-interventionists. I said that they weren't bullies. 

Consider the contrast between self defense, community policing and an unilateral hegemony. Surely you see the differences, no? 

Striking a terrorist who strikes us? Justified.
Joining with a broad coalition to strike a regime committing atrocities against it's people? Justified. 
Waging a (functionally) unilateral war against a country because we don't think they should build what we already have? Good luck justifying that. 

You can make the realpolitik argument. That's fine. But there's no need to dress it up and pretend that it's something it's not. 

Trump IS, without question, a bully, and in ways that are STARKLY different than any POTUS in history. TR may have had a bully pulpit to sway public opinion, but Trump will use the full force of his office to attack anyone from a lowly civilan to an international ally, to a bad actor like Iran. He's not worried about whether something is justified or not. Indeed, he appears to be constitutionally incapable of thinking of anything in a context beyond his own wants and desires. 
 

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, Hodad said:

I didn't say that they were pacificists or non-interventionists. I said that they weren't bullies. 

 

A distinction without a difference...military power is the same...destroyed buildings and bodies cannot feel the difference.

 

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Consider the contrast between self defense, community policing and an unilateral hegemony. Surely you see the differences, no? 

Striking a terrorist who strikes us? Justified.
Joining with a broad coalition to strike a regime committing atrocities against it's people? Justified. 
Waging a (functionally) unilateral war against a country because we don't think they should build what we already have? Good luck justifying that. 
 

 

No..."joining a coalition" should not be necessary to justify actions...otherwise the base reasoning is not sound.   Libya was absolutely no threat to the U.S. and Gaddafi had actually capitulated to allied nuclear weapons demands years earlier.   Obama and NATO doublecrossed him.

Nonproliferation of nuclear weapons has long been established by international treaty and precedent.   One can't pick and choose when "multilateralism" and diplomacy should apply (i.e. atrocities vs. nukes).

 

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You can make the realpolitik argument. That's fine. But there's no need to dress it up and pretend that it's something it's not. 

Trump IS, without question, a bully, and in ways that are STARKLY different than any POTUS in history. TR may have had a bully pulpit to sway public opinion, but Trump will use the full force of his office to attack anyone from a lowly civilan to an international ally, to a bad actor like Iran. He's not worried about whether something is justified or not. Indeed, he appears to be constitutionally incapable of thinking of anything in a context beyond his own wants and desires. 

 

Clearly you refuse to consider the long history of foreign and domestic actions by many American presidents when evaluating Trump in the broader context of U.S. policies and actions.   That's fine, but it does not change the reality now or going forward with respect to American power used to defend American interests, justified or not.

[eyeball]

32 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

America trumps Virtue.

FIFY.

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

FIFY.

 

Works for me...America is the same as it ever was.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Works for me...America is the same as it ever was.

I was pretty sure it would...we've both been saying so for years. Its funny how the inspiration to celebrate or criticize it depends on who's saying it.

[bush_cheney2004]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

I was pretty sure it would...we've both been saying so for years. Its funny how the inspiration to celebrate or criticize it depends on who's saying it.

 

Yea...well...I just watched a YouTube video where a Great Blue Heron swallowed 6 ducklings in a row without belching.

[Hodad]

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

A distinction without a difference...military power is the same...destroyed buildings and bodies cannot feel the difference.

 

 

No..."joining a coalition" should not be necessary to justify actions...otherwise the base reasoning is not sound.   Libya was absolutely no threat to the U.S. and Gaddafi had actually capitulated to allied nuclear weapons demands years earlier.   Obama and NATO doublecrossed him.

Nonproliferation of nuclear weapons has long been established by international treaty and precedent.   One can't pick and choose when "multilateralism" and diplomacy should apply (i.e. atrocities vs. nukes).

 

 

Clearly you refuse to consider the long history of foreign and domestic actions by many American presidents when evaluating Trump in the broader context of U.S. policies and actions.   That's fine, but it does not change the reality now or going forward with respect to American power used to defend American interests, justified or not.

What you're arguing here is that there is no difference between a cop, a vigilante, and a street thug because force is force. That it doesn't matter how our why someone employs violence, because violence is violence, all the same, unmoored from ethical and legal frameworks.

That's a strange flavor of  nihilism. 

Consequentialism isn't very compelling because it isn't very useful. Most people believe that why a person acts and how a person acts are as important or more important than the abstracted physical consequences of those actions. 

[John Johnston]

On 3/26/2026 at 7:02 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure...Iran would never do such things, because we all know that the Islamic Revolution only accepts good guys with the best of intentions.

Whataboutism does not hold water. 

[John Johnston]

America cannot finish or does not know how end what it started. So in true Trump fashion he takes his toys and runs home. As usual, everybody else pays the price and somebody else comes in and cleans it up. Another reason Asia is light years ahead of the West. 

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Yea...well...I just watched a YouTube video where a Great Blue Heron swallowed 6 ducklings in a row without belching.

It'll probably be an issue at the other end.