Iran War

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Did he get approval from his Board of Peace?? 

From all those countries that paid $1 billion each to participate?

How is the Board of Peace doing?? Is the Russia/Ukraine war still going on? 

Is Pakistan/Afghanistan over?

Is Israel relenting its attacks on the Palestinians?

Or is Trump on his own agenda again??  He is not in any way the President of Peace...he is the biggest President of War there has ever been.

The resident righties are spinning in their chairs.  LOL

I have no idea...  I didn't say anything the board of peace nor do I care about it.  Can't say I care a lot about the other happenings in the middle East either.

I'm only referring to the much needed and decades long kick in the ass Canada needed.

 

[paxamericana]

3 American heroes confirmed KIA .

On a positive note:

”I have just been informed that we have destroyed and sunk 9 Iranian Naval Ships, some of them relatively large and important," Mr. Trump said. "We are going after the rest — They will soon be floating at the bottom of the sea, also! In a different attack, we largely destroyed their Naval Headquarters. Other than that, their Navy is doing very well!"

USA! USA! USA!

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I have no idea...  I didn't say anything the board of peace nor do I care about it.  Can't say I care a lot about the other happenings in the middle East either.

I'm only referring to the much needed and decades long kick in the ass Canada needed.

 

I realize you did not mention the Board of Peace...I did.

Considering the ballyhoo announcements and the $1 billion bribe to become a member and the charter to bring peace, many countries decided to buy in.

So, Trump bombs Iran....was the board on board? LOL

[BeaverFever]

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Your assumptions about us are wrong.

MAGAs own words: no more “globalist interventions”, no more “world’s policeman”. 
 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

This is such horrible logic and it flies in the face of every intelligence assessment that is known. 

That is false

 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

So the timing is right, they are developing a nuke and they have killed thousands of people. All conditions you have agreed exist. It is like you are making the case to do it. You sound like someone that is angrily screaming "I love you!" The tone doesn't match the words.

They are a long ways awy from developing a nuke and MAGAs own ideology declares that foreign humanitarian crises don’t justify sacrificing American blood and treasure.  These are the same people who oppose helping Ukraine fight off Russian invasion or even helping Ukraine shoot down Russian missiles aimed at schools and hospitals  

 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

Yes. There were some unintended consequences AND it took longer than expected ro calm the country down, mostly because of the unintended consequences. But, this is not Iraq. 

“Unintended consequences” is quite the euphemism for accidentally starting and being stuck in the longest war in US history that over 11+ years killed many hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, thousands of US troops, cost trillions of dollars and sparked dozens of shocking terrorist attacks around the entire world. 
 

And you’re right Iran is not Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. Iran is far more militarily and economically advanced and organized than Iraq was. After Desert storm Iraq had been reduced to tiny banana republic minus the bananas with barely any military or money and a generally incompetent and corrupt bureaucracy. Iran has always had a sophisticated government even during sanctions which is why taking out the one man doesn’t cause the government to fall they way it did in Iraq.
 

You don’t know what you’ve gotten yourself into and neither do the unqualified know-nothings in the Trump administration   
 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

A) This is not an unprovoked attack. The list of attacks on US interests alone is massive and include attacks on our military personell, ships, and a contract to kill our president.

Then add in things like Oct 7th and you will see that the biggest threat to peace and stability is Iran. An Iran in flux is far far far safer than the Iran on Friday last week. 

All of those things happened long before Trump was elected which means they are historical. Therefore Trump’s attacks are unprovoked. If his plan was to avenge all these historical misdeeds why wasn’t it part of his election campaign and why didn’t he go to congress?

 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

An Iran in flux is far far far safer than the Iran on Friday last week. 

That is a ridiculously foolish and naive statement. Instability is never safer than stability. The Instability and power vacuum of 1979 is how the Islamist regime came to power in Iran to begin with. If Iran does have the nuclear program you claim you have no idea what faction will end up in control of it or who Iran’s current nuclear scientists will end up working for inside Iran or elsewhere. 
 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

B.) No one thinks that Monday morning this will be sunshine, rainbows and lollipops. Kids are not going to be playing while parents sit around singing folk songs. This will take time. There will be set backs. But the highest likelihood is that Iran will be a safer, more stable participant in the world economy in 10 years than they were last week. 

There is ZERO evidence to suggest that is the highest likelihood   The reason why it’s called “instability” is because it is unstable and unpredictable not because there is a high likelihood of positive outcomes. And America’s enemies in the region are far more capable of exploiting that instability and uncertainty for their own ends. 
 

What’s hilarious is that when those future “setbacks” you mention actually start to happen you’ll deny they are setbacks or have anything to do with this war of choice you started. You’ll claim they would have happened anyway or you’ll find some crazy way to blame it on Obama or Biden   
 

4 hours ago, gatomontes99 said:

You should know that we see your personal attacks as a badge of honor. First, it tells us that you know you lost a d that we are right. Second, we know that just about everything your side says is b.s. So we can rest assured we are anything but whatever you called us. 

It’s not even a personal attack. The facts are the facts I mean look up the bios of anyone in his administration. Objectively speaking nobody in the Trump White House has any formal education or work experience relevant to their role or level of authority. This is remarkably different feom any past administration. I mean the head of the “war department” was a fox news host FFS. He hasn’t so much as managed a McDonalds before this.   They’re operating 100% on uninformed ideology and selfish opportunism.   You see every day examples of the rampant incompetence mismanagement, toxic workplace complaints from people who don’t even seem to have basic leadership and management skills let alone subject matter knowledge. MAGA a big clown car of kooks, cultists and grifters who are only selected because of their personal pledge to Donald Trump himself. 

[John Johnston]

On 2/28/2026 at 11:21 AM, West said:

Too bad liberals have imported so many Muslims here. Sleeper cells are a real thing 

No worries, Kash Patel and Kristi Noem are on the case.  That should help America sleep better. 🤣

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

When Trump invaded Venezuela supposedly to rid them of a “narco-terrorist” regime, he ended up keeping the narcoterrorists in power and just naming himself as their new leader. Meanwhile there’s been zero change to the amount of cocaine in USA. 

So now will Trump try to appoint himself ayatollah of Iran?

 

 

All hail the American Taliban. 

[Gaétan]

The public and the media must denounce the continuation of American and Israeli genocides in Gaza and Iraq, which have caused 2.5 million deaths, without invoking any excuse.

[John Johnston]

What a bizarre world when MTG is making intelligent sense. Lol.

[West]

It appears that other Middle Eastern countries are getting ready to jump into it after Iran started bombing 7 star hotels. Unlike the war in Iraq, there seems for now to be a coalition going in to take out the bloodthirsty Iranian regime and likely ends up being stabilized by other nations in the region. 

The question is obviously how long will that last. Not sure you can trust the Muslims 

[Reg Volk]

31 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The public and the media must denounce the continuation of American and Israeli genocides in Gaza and Iraq, which have caused 2.5 million deaths, without invoking any excuse.

I'd prefer they just denounce the Hamas genocide against the Israelis and their own people.  Hamas is totally screwed now, Iran was their number one benefactor.  The UN is going to have to step up now and keep those laundered dollars flowing through UNRWA.  Such a joke.  

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

A general rule of thumb is that Iran, being a shiite country primarily sponsors shiite groups and SA and the gulf states being Sunni sponsor Sunni groups    

 

That's nice. Now answer the question. 

6 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

So for example Al Qaeda is Sunni and has had limited to no relations with Iran (or Saddam Hussein’s Iraq) but close ties with many Saudi and Gulf entities 

But saudi arabia did not state sponsor Al Qaeda.  Investigations found that neither the state nor its officials ever did anything to support them in any financial or other benefit fashion. Nor did they sponsor Iraq 

So it would appear to be that the answer to my question is none. Saudi Arabia doesn't support terrorist groups, you were being dishonest when you made that claim.

Iran absolutely does and I can name them and can point to the violence in the last few years that this has caused.

So instead of trying to play what aboutism on behalf of Iran can we agree that it's good that the state that sponsors these terrorists is currently being wiped out? Or is the left going back to being pro terrorist?

 

55 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

MAGAs own words: no more “globalist interventions”, no more “world’s policeman”. 
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I don't recall the president or Maga ever saying anything of the kind.

This wouldn't be you making up fake things again to argue with because the real things you can't argue with? 

The republicans  (there is no 'maga' that's just the term you use to dehumanize people) and their supporters under trump have said they want to have less wars and focus on america but that is not the same as suggesting they would never intervene outside the us borders 

And iran having nuclear weapons would be a direct threat to the us. So not really 'world policing', more like addressing a clear and present danger 

Edited March 1 by CdnFox

[John Stone]

1 hour ago, paxamericana said:

And now, none of it will.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, believe it was that sentiment that touched off WWII Jap  attack on Pearl. 

Really think China  would react in some fashion  the same way. 

Edited March 1 by John Stone

[Reg Volk]

14 minutes ago, West said:

It appears that other Middle Eastern countries are getting ready to jump into it after Iran started bombing 7 star hotels. Unlike the war in Iraq, there seems for now to be a coalition going in to take out the bloodthirsty Iranian regime and likely ends up being stabilized by other nations in the region. 

 

yes it appears that the Iranian thugocracy are in their death throes.  Who thought it would be a good idea to have the top 40 thugs running their dictatorship all meet together in one room?  Ever heard of Zoom you lunatics?

[paxamericana]

4 minutes ago, John Stone said:

Really think China  would react in some fashion  the same way. 

And look at how poorly it went for Japan. China knows that lesson well.

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Saudi Arabia doesn't support terrorist groups

And yet, 15 out of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian.

Sending Afghanistan back into the stone age and invading Iraq sure showed 'em.

[Reg Volk]

 

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

And look at how poorly it went for Japan. China knows that lesson well.

Seems many Americans and other nations lost many people.

Japan came out of it with an amazing economy so...in the end...Japan did well....as did the other WWII loser Germany.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And yet, 15 out of the 19 terrorists on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian.

 

And? 100% of the shooters at Tumblr Ridge were Canadian, but you'd have a hard time arguing that Canada supports shooting children. I mean you might but Canada doesn't.

Complete swing and a miss there

 

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Seems many Americans and other nations lost many people.

Japan came out of it with an amazing economy so...in the end...Japan did well....as did the other WWII loser Germany.

The generation that fought the war did not.

There's a book called Samurai by Saburo Sakai, one of the great Japanese Aces. You can read some of his accounts about what life was like after the war. Many Japanese starved, they lived in abject poverty, his own wife died unable to afford medicines to save her, most of Japan struggled horribly to try and eke out a living for many years

I doubt many Chinese would be interested in having their entire generation live in the worst kind of conditions just so their future generations could be somewhat close to where they are today

[Reg Volk]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And? 100% of the shooters at Tumblr Ridge were Canadian, but you'd have a hard time arguing that Canada supports shooting children. I mean you might but Canada doesn't.

Complete swing and a miss there

 

The generation that fought the war did not.

There's a book called Samurai by Saburo Sakai, one of the great Japanese Aces. You can read some of his accounts about what life was like after the war. Many Japanese starved, they lived in abject poverty, his own wife died unable to afford medicines to save her, most of Japan struggled horribly to try and eke out a living for many years

I doubt many Chinese would be interested in having their entire generation live in the worst kind of conditions just so their future generations could be somewhat close to where they are today

yes the Japanese veterans of WW2 were not treated well, as they were supposed to all just kill themselves from shame of losing.  The Japanese treatment of their war dead was equally shameful.  I talked to a friend who was a geologist in Papua New Guinea and he said they would routinely stumble on to skeletons of Japanese soldiers in the jungle who had just been left there after battles as the Japanese didn't want to bring them home or bury them properly.  This is a problem in other countries the Japanese invaded as well.  

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An estimated 30,000 to 127,000+ Japanese soldiers who died during the World War II New Guinea campaign are believed to still have their remains left in the jungles of Papua New Guinea (PNG). The New Guinea campaign was one of the most devastating for Japan, with casualties resulting from brutal fighting, starvation, and tropical diseases, leaving the rugged, remote terrain littered with bodies that were never recovered

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

And?

If we'd been serious about going after countries where terrorists were hiding we should have bombed the crap out of Saudi Arabia.

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If we'd been serious about going after countries where terrorists were hiding we should have bombed the crap out of Saudi Arabia.

 

And...  canada?  We had the tumbler ridge shooter, the festival mass murderer, dawson college, etc.  You want to bomb the crap out of saudi arabia for 15 people so.....

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound right now? You're literally advocating for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people because 15 people of their own accord without any state involvement trying to terrorist group.

But if those 15 people had killed jews specifically you'd say it was their natural human rights to do so as you have claimed in the past.

Every single nation has people within it who have terrorist leanings. I don't consider you to be much different for example you gone and killed a bunch of Jewish kids. But that's not a reflection on Canada. And it has nothing to do with the Canadian government

. You know in baseball when most people miss the ball and get a strike they stop swinging. You're still standing there over the plate going "wiff wiff wiff" long after the ball has gone past you. 

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

MAGAs own words: no more “globalist interventions”, no more “world’s policeman”. 

That doesn't mean that he's going to 

1. let Iran continue along the path to nuclear weapons, 
2. miss an opportunity to perhaps end the islamic dictatorship in Iran

It does mean that he's not going to enter into an arrangement where there are American boots on the ground and US soldiers die for 20 years while the rest of the world does nothing. 

 

You should leave your partisan politics behind and consider that, perhaps ending the ayatollah's regime was important. Putting an and to the regime that financed over a dozen terrorist orgs for decades was a win for America, period.

By the end of 2028 we will have a good idea how many lives this will cost or save. But for now, it's a moment to celebrate the death of one of the most evil men that ever lived. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

And...

You'd still be...

 

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You're literally advocating for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people because 15 people of their own accord without any state involvement trying to terrorist group.

Not necessarily, we could have easily put all sorts of pressure on the House of Saud to cough up the criminals responsible for 9/11. Instead of reacting to it with a proper criminal investigation it was used as the pretense to go kill hundreds of thousands if not more human beings who had fùck all to do with it.

So that being the case...why not bomb the shit out of Saudi Arabia if the point of the exercise was to just go on a vengeful rampage to exact justice?

 

[herbie]

You just included domestic killers with known mental conditions with countries spreading international terrorism as if that's even logical.

[gatomontes99]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

MAGAs own words: no more “globalist interventions”, no more “world’s policeman”. 

What does that have to do with caring? Caring is not the same as being the lone ranger. 

 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

They are a long ways awy from developing a nuke and MAGAs own ideology declares that foreign humanitarian crises don’t justify sacrificing American blood and treasure.  These are the same people who oppose helping Ukraine fight off Russian invasion or even helping Ukraine shoot down Russian missiles aimed at schools and hospitals  

 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

“Unintended consequences” is quite the euphemism for accidentally starting and being stuck in the longest war in US history that over 11+ years killed many hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, thousands of US troops, cost trillions of dollars and sparked dozens of shocking terrorist attacks around the entire world. 

First, the war was only i years according to the most liberal assessments. The death  counts vary wildly, but no reasonable account has any where near "many hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians." 

Don't you think that lying about facts makes you look bad? How does that not make you rethink your position.

BTW, those terror attacks probably happen any way. And they came from...IRAN. Iran is gone now so this won't be like Iraq. 

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

It’s not even a personal attack. The facts are the facts I mean look up the bios of anyone in his administration. Objectively speaking nobody in the Trump White House has any formal education or work experience relevant to their role or level of authority. This is remarkably different feom any past administration. I mean the head of the “war department” was a fox news host FFS. He hasn’t so much as managed a McDonalds before this.   They’re operating 100% on uninformed ideology and selfish opportunism.   You see every day examples of the rampant incompetence mismanagement, toxic workplace complaints from people who don’t even seem to have basic leadership and management skills let alone subject matter knowledge. MAGA a big clown car of kooks, cultists and grifters who are only selected because of their personal pledge to Donald Trump himself. 

Well, these matures have toppled 3 governments without even so much as a lost pencil, so I would say they are doing alright. But you lied about Hegseth. He had a background in the Military and EVERY...SINGLE...MISSION has been a huge success. 

Lie all you want, it just makes it easier to trust my gut. 

[Reg Volk]

yes, Obama and then Biden shoveling buttloads of US cash into Iran was disgraceful.  You have to wonder how much of that cash was coming back into Democrat coffers.