Conservative MP Matt Jeneroux crosses the floor to join the Liberals

[Moonbox]

27 minutes ago, Goddess said:

So.....what is the point of voting then, if the person you vote for gets to choose which party he/she is going to work for and constituents have no say in that?

Your vote is for your MP - the individual.  The fact that you choose to vote purely by Party affiliation is your own issue.  I can't stand Pierre Poilievre, but I do like my Conservative MP Michael Chong.  He's a principled politician and can and has stood up to party leadership when he's felt the need to.  He would probably win an election as a Liberal or as an Independent at this point, and I would vote for him either way. 

It's reasonable for you to be upset with an MP you voted for crossing the floor.  It's unreasonable to say it's undemocratic, because it isn't.  Of the ~50% who voted for Jeneroux as a Conservative, some of that support was likely soft.  For the 49% who voted Liberal and NDP, they're probably happy that he crossed the floor.  Both groups are his constituents.  He doesn't only represent Conservative supporters.   

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Your vote is for your MP - the individual.

Amazing.

So, basically - policies and platforms mean nothing.  If I like one guy's socks and don't like the dress the other lady wears, that's how I should be voting?  Because I'm supposed to be voting for the PERSON and NOT the platform or the party.

If I vote for the candidate who says "We need to bring down immigration.  We need to stop government waste. " and they get voted in, they can just say to the constituents, "Bwaahhhahhaaha, fooled you all!  I'm actually FOR all those things!"

Honestly, I never, ever knew this.

So, if candidates can just lie to voters about what their platform is and switch over after they're elected, again......what is the point of voting?

I'm glad you're so knowledgeable about all this.  Maybe you can help me out:  since party platform doesn't mean anything, Which do you think it's better to vote for - a candidate's socks or a candidate's hairdo?

[Goddess]

Boy, all those stupid voters in Edmonton-Riverbend.

They thought they were voting for the Conservative PLATFORM.

I bet they never even looked at Jeneroux's socks or paid much attention to his haircut.  That's what the real criteria is.

[Moonbox]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

If I vote for the candidate who says "We need to bring down immigration.  We need to stop government waste. " and they get voted in, they can just say to the constituents, "Bwaahhhahhaaha, fooled you all!  I'm actually FOR all those things!"

This is just your goofy hyperpartisan interpretation.  

Carney stole Poilievre's platform, haven't you heard?  Drastics cuts to immigration and cuts to the public service support that, right?  

 

[Goddess]

26 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Maybe the MP's that are crossing the floor get to see and hear what is really going on and decide it is best for their constituents to move away from PP?

You're right.  We should just trust our overlords to know what's best for us.  I mean, we're just peons who don't know anything and are so utterly stupid that we need handouts from the government just to be able to eat.  What the hell do we know, amiright?  It's always important to let the rich people decide what's best for us.

[Legato]

18 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Your vote is for your MP - the individual.  The fact that you choose to vote purely by Party affiliation is your own issue.  I can't stand Pierre Poilievre, but I do like my Conservative MP Michael Chong.  He's a principled politician and can and has stood up to party leadership when he's felt the need to.  He would probably win an election as a Liberal or as an Independent at this point, and I would vote for him either way. 

It's reasonable for you to be upset with an MP you voted for crossing the floor.  It's unreasonable to say it's undemocratic, because it isn't.  Of the ~50% who voted for Jeneroux as a Conservative, some of that support was likely soft.  For the 49% who voted Liberal and NDP, they're probably happy that he crossed the floor.  Both groups are his constituents.  He doesn't only represent Conservative supporters.   

er no.

I don't particularly like my MP but I voted for him as a representative of the party to which I offer my support.

Same for my wife and daughter.

We all voted with our heads not our feelings.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Drastics cuts to immigration and cuts to the public service support that, right?  

Except nothing has been done about those things.

And anyways, as you said - platform doesn't mean a thing.  We should vote by APPEARANCE.  I'm just unclear on what that's about...... It's socks, isn't it?  I mean that's how we kept Trudeau for so long.  The socks.  And that worked out beautifully for Canada.

Edited February 18 by Goddess

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You're right.  We should just trust our overlords to know what's best for us.  I mean, we're just peons who don't know anything and are so utterly stupid that we need handouts from the government just to be able to eat.  What the hell do we know, amiright?  It's always important to let the rich people decide what's best for us.

Yup.. you certainly do not know as much as an MP does.

[Legato]

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup.. you certainly do not know as much as an MP does.

Well, I know some things more than they do.

Remember during the Liberal party leadership debate when none of them could answer what a cart of groceries costs?  That was so hilarious.

And remember when Carney said he doesn't know what strawberries cost because he doesn't buy his own groceries?

I'm guessing your next argument will be that it's not important for them to know what things cost. 

[Legato]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

Yup.. you certainly do not know as much as an MP does.

That's rich coming from our out of touch, cowering in fear of Poilivere, bumfoddering flybaby.

 

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[Goddess]

This convo has been the most informative one yet as a glimpse into the Liberal mind and how they vote.

[Goddess]

I've actually awoken quite a while ago to how Liberal voters vote.  I suspected it had nothing to do with policy or platform, but I had no idea how much appearance has to do with it.

It's so much easier when you don't care about platform or follow what's happening in actual committee meetings.  then when the CBC says "The economy is great!  We're doing better than we have before!" VOILA!  there's both your talking point AND your proof - because the CBC is THE BIBLE.  If you just ignore committee meeting, you miss out on things like Patty Hadju saying, "Ummmmm, what is Bill C-15 again, can someone remind me?" and Marc Miller saying "We don't NEED the power to exempt our friends from laws in Canada, we just think it would be a great thing to HAVE." or Sean Fraser being offended "We would NEVER use this power to lock up people for mean tweets." or Melanie Joly "This would not be for specific people."  "But the legislation specifically says it would apply to 'individuals'".  "Well it wouldn't."  "But that's what it SAYS."

Edited February 18 by Goddess

[ironstone]

17 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is just your goofy hyperpartisan interpretation.  

Carney stole Poilievre's platform, haven't you heard?  Drastics cuts to immigration and cuts to the public service support that, right?  

 

That alone kind of proves that Poilievre had it right all along. Doesn't matter that he had it right because they just hate him so much for whatever reason.

If, or when Carney gets his majority, expect immigration to shoot right back up and the consumer carbon tax to return.

What did Matt say about rising crime in 2023?

https://www.facebook.com/CanadaProud.org/videos/liberal-crime-wave-in-edmonton/3498619430285203/

[Nationalist]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

I think ALL of our politicians know Canada is toast.

These floor-crossers are just trying to get closer to the trough before there's nothing left.

Or...they think a Liberal majority can hold Alberta in place. 

Or...they cant remain in the Conservative party while the Albera Conservatives build pipelines on their own.

One or the other...or both...have a lot to do with this.

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, ironstone said:

That alone kind of proves that Poilievre had it right all along.

Well, it doesn't matter to Liberal supporters what the platform is.  Then, pretty much anything the government says is OK.  Expect nothing and you're happy with crumbs.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

One or the other...or both...have a lot to do with this.

Could be.

But I think Jeneroux knew BEFORE he crossed the floor that it came with a new made-up special position that involved world travel for him and his family, unlimited expense account and ability to funnel taxpayer money into his personal businesses with no questions asked.

[Shady]

Democracy in Canada is apparently flipping a riding in Alberta from conservative to liberal, when that riding has never voted liberal.  That’s what it’s come to now in our banana republic country.  And all the Carney cultists applaud like clapping seals, because they don’t really care about democracy at all.  They just pretend to.  And you wonder why people want to separate from Canada?

[Moonbox]

48 minutes ago, ironstone said:

That alone kind of proves that Poilievre had it right all along. Doesn't matter that he had it right because they just hate him so much for whatever reason.

He had a lot of stuff right.  It's too bad it was all wrapped up in all that's wrong with the Poilievre experience.  

What the CPC hasn't been able to understand over the last 11 years is that the culture warrior People's Party and the MAGA retards within their membership are what Canada is consistently voting against - not the common sense Conservatives focused on actual tangible policy.  

That's why Carney was able to eat his lunch.  He disowned a lot of the vapid stupidity of the Trudeau Liberals, embraced the more common sense policy issues of the Conservatives, and won the centre.  It's crazy to me that the CPC membership can't wrap their heads around this stuff.  

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Except nothing has been done about those things.

That's objectively and categorically not true.  😑

Edited February 18 by Moonbox

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Well, I know some things more than they do.

....

Yeah sure LOL

25 minutes ago, Shady said:

Democracy in Canada is apparently flipping a riding in Alberta from conservative to liberal, when that riding has never voted liberal.  That’s what it’s come to now in our banana republic country.  And all the Carney cultists applaud like clapping seals, because they don’t really care about democracy at all.  They just pretend to.  And you wonder why people want to separate from Canada?

Who "flipped" a riding???? 
An MP made a decision.

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

That's rich coming from our out of touch, cowering in fear of Poilivere, bumfoddering flybaby.

 

                                                                                           don't forget, bloodspot here-------->

I stand by what I said to goodess and it goes for you too "Yup.. you certainly do not know as much as an MP does."

If you two knew anything you would be able to do a lot more than only whine and drip on a forum 

 Who is the PM? What party won the election?  What are you afraid of...the Canadian citizens making up their minds and picking the right person for the job? LOL

Your mantra is getting real old and worthless. It was humorous the first few times but... now it is just pointless LOL

OK...you got it LOL 

Edited February 18 by ExFlyer

[Goddess]

20 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

He disowned a lot of the vapid stupidity of the Trudeau Liberals, embraced the more common sense policy issues of the Conservatives, and won the centre.

He lied.

After getting elected he went right back to all the vapid stupidity.  Carbon credits, carbon taxes, EV mandates, hired all his cronies at $600-700,000 per year, started a bunch of new bureaucracies that have accomplished nothing so far (there's still 72 real projects, with real investors, stuck in limbo), continued giving away billions of dollars to other countries, same old, same old.

The center voters will soon realize they were duped.

They thought they were getting Conservative platform with Liberal fancy socks.  Hahahhaa, id10ts.

Edited February 18 by Goddess

[Shady]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yeah sure LOL

Who "flipped" a riding???? 
An MP made a decision.

A decision contrary to the will of voters.  He received an advisory role to Carney for the flip.  I can’t believe people are defending this kind of overt political bribery.

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

That's objectively and categorically not true.  😑

Yes, it is true.

He is just like the old Liberals - you just don't get it.  THEY. DO. NOT. WANT. INDUSTRY. IN. CANADA.

Like, NONE.

He created a bunch of bureaucracies and hired his corporate cronies to run them at yearly salaries of almost $1 million.

He just closed 7 agricultural research centers that farmers depend on.

There are 72 projects, with investors still stuck in limbo.

The Sisson project that was supposed to start in 2018......they just announced that it now won't start until 2029.

"Speeds never before seen."  🙄

3 minutes ago, Shady said:

I can’t believe people are defending this kind of overt political bribery.

If the Conservatives ever get into power, I hope they remember how they defended it because I will put up with NO whining about it then.

[ironstone]

31 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

He had a lot of stuff right.  It's too bad it was all wrapped up in all that's wrong with the Poilievre experience.  

What the CPC hasn't been able to understand over the last 11 years is that the culture warrior People's Party and the MAGA retards within their membership are what Canada is consistently voting against - not the common sense Conservatives focused on actual tangible policy.  

That's why Carney was able to eat his lunch.  He disowned a lot of the vapid stupidity of the Trudeau Liberals, embraced the more common sense policy issues of the Conservatives, and won the centre.  It's crazy to me that the CPC membership can't wrap their heads around this stuff.  

He hasn't 'disowned the vapid stupidity of the Trudeau Liberals'. It's practically the same bunch that's in charge with the musical chairs approach to cabinet positions.

Carney was and is still laser focused on the insane net-zero agenda, which will be extremely costly to the country but will financially benefit him enormously. Don't be fooled by a temporary slowdown in immigration either. It will certainly skyrocket up again as soon as he gets his majority. C-15 will give companies like Brookfield exemptions from inconvenient federal laws...most Canadians, certainly most on the left are clueless about things like this. It will be full speed ahead for the insane trans agenda as well. Canadians can also expect the CCP to exert even more influence in our affairs now that Carney has chosen to embrace them.

 

What specific 'Maga' type policies are you referring to which are in the Conservative platform?