Moonbox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 2 minutes ago, CdnFox said: If the roles were reversed you can bet there are liberals that will be crossing the floor to the CPC. If the roles were reversed you'd be spinning your wheels explaining why it is right and proper. Myself, on the other hand, wouldn't say much of anything about it, just like I didn't the last time it happened. 🙃 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 Just now, Moonbox said: If the roles were reversed you'd be spinning your wheels explaining why it is right and proper. So in other words everything I said was correct and you're angry about it so you're going to concoct some narrative about me as a person to try and make yourself feel better. Well I appreciate you at least admitting I was right. Not that there's much you could have argued with there. And if you'll notice I didn't actually say that there was anything wrong with the floor crossings. I just said the motivation was personal interest not leadership concerns If the roles were reversed, I would be saying the exact same thing that I'm saying right now and have said since this floor crossing business started this time. Floor crossing is a necessary tool that has to be in the pocket of every MP to prevent them from becoming rubber stamps for the party, But there should be some species of recall legislation in place that reasonably allows the constituents of that riding force a by-election if enough of them are willing to sign that they don't agree with what they did. That would make it necessary for the floor Crosser to explain to their constituents why they did what they did and if their constituents don't agree they can hold them to account. And in fact I've made several posts even in the last week arguing that very point. And once again within one reply you've managed to look stupid. I can't say much for your intelligence but I certainly can commend you for your consistency 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonbox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: So in other words everything I said was correct and you're angry about it so you're going to concoct some narrative about me as a person to try and make yourself feel better. It's fascinating how entirely devoted your brain is to delusional self-affirmation. I don't have to concoct anything. I've literally watched you explain how reasonable it was for David Emerson to cross the floor to Harper's team back in 2006...two weeks after he was elected as MP. 🤡 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Army Guy Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/23/2026 at 12:19 PM, Moonbox said: 🤦♂️ Key there: "or run as an independent". Look, this is very simple. If individual MPs can't break ranks with their party, there's basically no point in having individual's names on the ballot. You just select a party, and then that party appoints a minion to follow leaderships' orders. The system was specifically and deliberately designed not to function this way. The whole point of our federal parliamentary system is regional representation. I get it , but that's not how most Canadians vote, they are voting for the party that has the best platform, having the name attached to the ballot is really a moot point, what can one individual sitting as an independent really do in parliament, they can't enact any campaign promises, they have one vote, yes they can submit laws or bills but they have no real traction in parliament... It's the parties that hold the real power... And if that party wins the election, one still has regional representation, plus the power to make things happen for that region...mean while an independent MP really has no say in parliament, nor the power to influence government. 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: It's fascinating how entirely devoted your brain is to delusional self-affirmation. Says the guy coming up with little fantasies about how I would react to various things I guess that's your way of admitting you were wrong Quote I don't have to concoct anything. I've literally watched you explain how reasonable it was for David Emerson to cross the floor to Harper's team back in 2006...two weeks after he was elected as MP. 🤡 No you didn't, Liar I pointed out that was an example where people crossed for eithical rather than personal greed reasons. But i never said it was a good or bad thing. I didn't defend it at all. In fact just above here i pointed out that ALL floor crossers should be subject to a recall option by the constituents who should have the final decision LOLOL LOLOL you look like a twat again and you're big mad as usual about it Every single time you just make crap up and wind up looking the fool At any rate, there you go. These guys crossed the floor for personal gain and benefit, it has nothing to do with the leaders, and at the end of the day floor crossing should be allowed but should be subject to a recall process if the constituents are not convinced by their reason for crossing. I do so love it when you drop by to make me laugh like this tho! Appreciate ya! 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 On 2/23/2026 at 12:21 PM, LinkSoul60 said: Yes, any time I need a reminder I come to this forum to listen to your brethren's wash rinse and repeat crying. It's not very becoming, but it's what you hacks do. Yes, I said that. The voters will determine whether he should step aside or not...but that sure doesn't appear to be trending in your desired direction does it. Apparently that message is not getting through to any of the liberal voters....Frankly the liberal party makes it way to easy, with the lies and deceit and lets not forget the inaction...And it is not what hacks do it is what all Canadians should be doing keeping the government in charge accountable to the people....key word is people , all Canadians... You would have a valid point, but lets not forget it is the same liberal voters that kept Justin in power 3 times in a row, so you'll have to excuse our distrust in your ability to pick the right man for the job....Carney has a lot of good ideas, more than any other liberal in recent history, my desire is for him to start taking action on one of them....His inaction on many files he was elected on is telling, either they can't be fixed or he he is the wrong man for the job.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Apparently that message is not getting through to any of the liberal voters....Frankly the liberal party makes it way to easy, with the lies and deceit and lets not forget the inaction...And it is not what hacks do it is what all Canadians should be doing keeping the government in charge accountable to the people....key word is people , all Canadians... You would have a valid point, but lets not forget it is the same liberal voters that kept Justin in power 3 times in a row, so you'll have to excuse our distrust in your ability to pick the right man for the job....Carney has a lot of good ideas, more than any other liberal in recent history, my desire is for him to start taking action on one of them....His inaction on many files he was elected on is telling, either they can't be fixed or he he is the wrong man for the job.... What am I supposed to say...? The liberals won again last year and will certainly win a majority this time around if in fact there is an election called in the next short period of time. The so-called leader of the CPC can't even manage his own caucus let alone trying to run a country. Floor crossings and likely more to come attest to that. Sucks to be on the losing team as often as the CPC has doesn't it... Hopefully the next leader will be able tp prop the party up from Poilievre's failure. 2 Quote
Army Guy Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 3 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: What am I supposed to say...? The liberals won again last year and will certainly win a majority this time around if in fact there is an election called in the next short period of time. The so-called leader of the CPC can't even manage his own caucus let alone trying to run a country. Floor crossings and likely more to come attest to that. Sucks to be on the losing team as often as the CPC has doesn't it... Hopefully the next leader will be able tp prop the party up from Poilievre's failure. I guess we will have to see, Carney might just do that to improve his standing and get a majority , it would be a great move....3 out of 145 is not devasting....just a question how many has Carney sent our to pasture... What is this majority going to bring Carney, is it going to bring his promises into reality...make things move much quicker....i mean he is only 3 seats away form a majority....i hope you are not using that as a excuse for no action being done to date...this summer is going to be the make or break for carney...we will see what happens with Cusma negotiations, and then the entire country will see if he is the man to handle trump. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: No you didn't, Liar I pointed out that was an example where people crossed for eithical rather than personal greed reasons. But i never said it was a good or bad thing. I didn't defend it at all. Thanks for proving my point, muppet. When the Conservative did it, it was for "ethical" reasons, but when the Liberals are doing it, it's for personal greed. 🫠 1 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
CdnFox Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 14 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Thanks for proving my point, muppet. If your point was you were a liar and dumber than a stump then happy to assist Although you certainly don't need my help proving that. Seriously, don't you get tired of looking like a twat? I never get tired of watching it but I can't imagine what's in it for you 2 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Goddess Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 It's surreal watching all the Liberal supporters defend Carney while also saying policies and platforms don't matter. It means in the end, it really doesn't matter to them what Carney said he would do OR what he actually does. They're going to wave pom-poms, either way. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
LinkSoul60 Posted February 24 Report Posted February 24 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: I guess we will have to see, Carney might just do that to improve his standing and get a majority , it would be a great move....3 out of 145 is not devasting....just a question how many has Carney sent our to pasture... What is this majority going to bring Carney, is it going to bring his promises into reality...make things move much quicker....i mean he is only 3 seats away form a majority....i hope you are not using that as a excuse for no action being done to date...this summer is going to be the make or break for carney...we will see what happens with Cusma negotiations, and then the entire country will see if he is the man to handle trump. If you look at 3 of 145 that way it's not devastating but most certainly a huge problem within the CPC and a reflection on the lack of leadership and direction Poilievre provides. I want to see results just like other Canadian's want to see them. I am though giving him time knowing you don't agree to start trade relations and start shipping commodities/materials/products. As far as handling Trump, he is. It's not hard to understand that you don't sign up for a deal if it's not in your best interests. Would you sign up for inflated interest rates because your banker is using the hard sell...no you wouldn't. The difference there is that you'd hope the banker acts and behaves more mature than the petulant child known as Trump. 2 Quote
Chrissy1979 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 9 hours ago, Goddess said: You really could. I hope your day is better today. He called you an irate badger. Hahahahaha! 2 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 6 hours ago, Chrissy1979 said: He called you an irate badger. Hahahahaha! LOL no, i said an irate badger could teach you how to be less miserable and insulting, never mind her. I'm sorry, everyone else got that but i forgot about your comprehension issues. I should have included pictures. That's my bad 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: Apparently that message is not getting through to any of the liberal voters....Frankly the liberal party makes it way to easy, with the lies and deceit and lets not forget the inaction...And it is not what hacks do it is what all Canadians should be doing keeping the government in charge accountable to the people....key word is people , all Canadians... You would have a valid point, but lets not forget it is the same liberal voters that kept Justin in power 3 times in a row, so you'll have to excuse our distrust in your ability to pick the right man for the job....Carney has a lot of good ideas, more than any other liberal in recent history, my desire is for him to start taking action on one of them....His inaction on many files he was elected on is telling, either they can't be fixed or he he is the wrong man for the job.... Some if you keep blaming "liberal voters" for keeping the liberals (specifically Trudeau) in power. Thing is, there clearly were not enough Canadians believing that the conservatives or NDP or their leaders were a better option so, the liberals win...3 times with Trudeau and once with Carney. The other thing is...Carney was the one chosen by Canadians...perhaps Canadians felt it is PP that "can't be fixed or he he is the wrong man for the job...."? 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 20 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: If you look at 3 of 145 that way it's not devastating but most certainly a huge problem within the CPC and a reflection on the lack of leadership and direction Poilievre provides. I want to see results just like other Canadian's want to see them. I am though giving him time knowing you don't agree to start trade relations and start shipping commodities/materials/products. As far as handling Trump, he is. It's not hard to understand that you don't sign up for a deal if it's not in your best interests. Would you sign up for inflated interest rates because your banker is using the hard sell...no you wouldn't. The difference there is that you'd hope the banker acts and behaves more mature than the petulant child known as Trump. the problem with leadership Is that the reality of the situation, or is that the liberal narrative...I don't see it that way , i mean they just had a review would that not come up then... It has ben almost a full year, when dozens of other countries have already signed agreements... I understand getting the best deal possible, but it has to be weighed against what we stand to lose with no deal....our failure to diversify our trade has lead us dependent on the US, it is too late to correct that in short notice....right now 4 of our largest industries are hurting because of tariffs or a lack of a deal...at some point you have to draw a line in the sand that we might have to sacrifice something to just get a deal, before those industry collapse, which might mean Canada might have to give up something like the dairy cartel which for some reason is the golden lamb...The play book for dealing with trump has already been written, and yet we constantly poke the bear...It sends a clear signal that we really don't want a deal, Carney is putting his ego before the country, my opinion....He needs to look like the tough guy ...when Canadians jobs and careers are hanging by a thread... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
LinkSoul60 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 3 minutes ago, Army Guy said: the problem with leadership Is that the reality of the situation, or is that the liberal narrative...I don't see it that way , i mean they just had a review would that not come up then... It has ben almost a full year, when dozens of other countries have already signed agreements... I understand getting the best deal possible, but it has to be weighed against what we stand to lose with no deal....our failure to diversify our trade has lead us dependent on the US, it is too late to correct that in short notice....right now 4 of our largest industries are hurting because of tariffs or a lack of a deal...at some point you have to draw a line in the sand that we might have to sacrifice something to just get a deal, before those industry collapse, which might mean Canada might have to give up something like the dairy cartel which for some reason is the golden lamb...The play book for dealing with trump has already been written, and yet we constantly poke the bear...It sends a clear signal that we really don't want a deal, Carney is putting his ego before the country, my opinion....He needs to look like the tough guy ...when Canadians jobs and careers are hanging by a thread... So what you're saying is that yes, you would sign up for a poor interest rate loan because your wife told you it has to be done because her good friends Susan and Ann just did. You can spin the narratives any way you'd like but that doesn't change the fact that ~65% of Canadian's agree with his approach to US trade talks, and ~67% agree that he should continue to push harder and 'refuse difficult concessions even if it means worsening trade relations with the US'. You appear to be the type that turtles easily. I'm of the same mindset though of the majority of people saying "f*ck him"....if the deal isn't right don't sign it...period. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: So what you're saying is that yes, you would sign up for a poor interest rate loan because your wife told you it has to be done because her good friends Susan and Ann just did. You can spin the narratives any way you'd like but that doesn't change the fact that ~65% of Canadian's agree with his approach to US trade talks, and ~67% agree that he should continue to push harder and 'refuse difficult concessions even if it means worsening trade relations with the US'. You appear to be the type that turtles easily. I'm of the same mindset though of the majority of people saying "f*ck him"....if the deal isn't right don't sign it...period. That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying is there might not be a cusma deal at all...if trump does not agree to any of it...which will open all Canadian trade to tariffs....So for the sake of the country, i would take the best deal possible which is probably not what you or the majority of Canadians want....but what is in the best interest of the country...Trump holds most of the cards here, not sure why you can't see that... I'm not spinning anything, the only thing protecting our trade right now is Cusma period, without it, or a deal tariffs could be placed on every product that crosses the border...Failure on that front would mean extremely hard times for Canada... all the US would have to do is tighten up tariffs and wait us out...While Canadians try and eat their pride, and ego's which is something that taste like sh!t... You appear the type that is willing to risk everything unless the outcome is in your benefit which will never happen, thats not how trump works....Reality states something much different....we keep poking the bear and things are going to get worse....we will not be able to replace the US as our largest customer for decades....and our standard of living will drop drastically...I don't know about you but i would rather keep my current state of living , rather than risk everything because of my hatred for a man who will not be in the government in a few years. Think things are tough now wait until he tariffs everything... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying is there might not be a cusma deal at all...if trump does not agree to any of it...which will open all Canadian trade to tariffs....So for the sake of the country, i would take the best deal possible which is probably not what you or the majority of Canadians want....but what is in the best interest of the country...Trump holds most of the cards here, not sure why you can't see that... I'm not spinning anything, the only thing protecting our trade right now is Cusma period, without it, or a deal tariffs could be placed on every product that crosses the border...Failure on that front would mean extremely hard times for Canada... all the US would have to do is tighten up tariffs and wait us out...While Canadians try and eat their pride, and ego's which is something that taste like sh!t... You appear the type that is willing to risk everything unless the outcome is in your benefit which will never happen, thats not how trump works....Reality states something much different....we keep poking the bear and things are going to get worse....we will not be able to replace the US as our largest customer for decades....and our standard of living will drop drastically...I don't know about you but i would rather keep my current state of living , rather than risk everything because of my hatred for a man who will not be in the government in a few years. Think things are tough now wait until he tariffs everything... Actually today trump is saying even if there is a kousuma deal because my deal itself will include tariffs on most if not all products So even if we get a deal there's going to be tariffs, arguably even more tariffs than we've got now Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying is there might not be a cusma deal at all...if trump does not agree to any of it...which will open all Canadian trade to tariffs....So for the sake of the country, i would take the best deal possible which is probably not what you or the majority of Canadians want....but what is in the best interest of the country...Trump holds most of the cards here, not sure why you can't see that... I'm not spinning anything, the only thing protecting our trade right now is Cusma period, without it, or a deal tariffs could be placed on every product that crosses the border...Failure on that front would mean extremely hard times for Canada... all the US would have to do is tighten up tariffs and wait us out...While Canadians try and eat their pride, and ego's which is something that taste like sh!t... You appear the type that is willing to risk everything unless the outcome is in your benefit which will never happen, thats not how trump works....Reality states something much different....we keep poking the bear and things are going to get worse....we will not be able to replace the US as our largest customer for decades....and our standard of living will drop drastically...I don't know about you but i would rather keep my current state of living , rather than risk everything because of my hatred for a man who will not be in the government in a few years. Think things are tough now wait until he tariffs everything... You seem to be forgetting the impact of our trade of the US economy. Remember, the SCOTUS struck down his tariffs, a growing number of republicans are against tariffs and more to the point, tariffs are creating unnecessary inflation for the voters who inevitably control the narrative. Totally disagree that we sign a deal just to sign a deal. How do you think that worked out for countries who rushed to sign deals only to see the SCOTUS decision. It's not about eating pride....it's about doing what best for Canadian's long term. Hs trade minion Greer said last night that Canada can expect tariffs and should also open up the dairy industry and put alcohol back on shelves. LOL... that's the type of id*ots we're dealing with. Quote
CdnFox Posted February 25 Report Posted February 25 2 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: You seem to be forgetting the impact of our trade of the US economy. Remember, the SCOTUS struck down his tariffs, a growing number of republicans are against tariffs and more to the point, tariffs are creating unnecessary inflation for the voters who inevitably control the narrative. Totally disagree that we sign a deal just to sign a deal. How do you think that worked out for countries who rushed to sign deals only to see the SCOTUS decision. It's not about eating pride....it's about doing what best for Canadian's long term. Hs trade minion Greer said last night that Canada can expect tariffs and should also open up the dairy industry and put alcohol back on shelves. LOL... that's the type of id*ots we're dealing with. As far as signing a deal goes it's not a clear either or thing to be honest. Yes you shouldn't sign a deal that's a really bad deal if you can avoid it. But this idea that no deal is better than a deal you don't like is simply not accurate. No deal means no investment in Canada. No deal means uncertainty that we can't deal with and can't work with. No deal is death for us. So sure you want to avoid a really terrible deal, but you can't just say well we'll never sign a deal. That hurts us tremendously, more than we can afford. We'll see what carney can pull out of his hat. I suspect he'll have to back down on supply management and i suspect we'll get tariffs on a number of cusma items. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
LinkSoul60 Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 4 hours ago, CdnFox said: As far as signing a deal goes it's not a clear either or thing to be honest. Yes you shouldn't sign a deal that's a really bad deal if you can avoid it. But this idea that no deal is better than a deal you don't like is simply not accurate. No deal means no investment in Canada. No deal means uncertainty that we can't deal with and can't work with. No deal is death for us. So sure you want to avoid a really terrible deal, but you can't just say well we'll never sign a deal. That hurts us tremendously, more than we can afford. We'll see what carney can pull out of his hat. I suspect he'll have to back down on supply management and i suspect we'll get tariffs on a number of cusma items. If you listened to Greer's chatter today it seemed a bit clear but fact is we don't know all the discussion details and also probably fair to say Trump has moved the goalposts a few times during the discussions. You're not capable of critical thinking but if you were..... The idea of not signing a bad deal is 100% accurate. You wouldn't do it for a loan or mortgage, you get terminated for bad deals at your place of employment, and you sure as hell don't do it if it impacts X amount of workers in whatever industries those may be. That's not only responsible finance, it's common sense. How can I say when a deal will be signed... They'll sign it when it's the right deal....that's not hard to understand is it? Not sure if you've been paying attention but Trump's idea of a good deal is he wins and you lose. Virtually every other partnership though is a win win. Carney won't sign anything that's not in the best interests of the country. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 4 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said: You seem to be forgetting the impact of our trade of the US economy. Remember, the SCOTUS struck down his tariffs, a growing number of republicans are against tariffs and more to the point, tariffs are creating unnecessary inflation for the voters who inevitably control the narrative. Totally disagree that we sign a deal just to sign a deal. How do you think that worked out for countries who rushed to sign deals only to see the SCOTUS decision. It's not about eating pride....it's about doing what best for Canadian's long term. Hs trade minion Greer said last night that Canada can expect tariffs and should also open up the dairy industry and put alcohol back on shelves. LOL... that's the type of id*ots we're dealing with. Yes there will be an impact, but not as large as our economy will feel, we are talking the worlds largest economy 30 trillion...and what is Canada ranked 10 th... or about 2.28. So that's the plan then wait for the US government to cave, and force Trump into letting us off the hook for all the issues he has with us....That is not what he does, he is way to vindictive for that.... https://www.worldometers.info/gdp/gdp-by-country/ That's not what I'm saying sign a deal for the sake of a deal, what I am saying is Canada is going to have to concede something big to bring any deal back on track....supply management might be the beginning...and we should not have to sacrifice 4 other industries to protect one that does not match the return to GDP as the other 4...Supply management is a political foot ball, it means votes in Quebec and Ontario , but it does not mean the death to our GDP as a whole... This whole trump said , Greer said is all talk, it is how trump negotiates it is who he is....51 St state thing was to get into our heads and it worked so well, every Canadian is scared to death they might invade, or be swallowed up by the US ...trump has shown Canada all his cards on his first term, and like everything else Canada forgot them once he left office...We already know what the US is looking for....they made that clear at the beginning....Carney should be able to compromise give them what they want , and get tariffs off steel and aluminum, auto sector, lumber.... They can't be idO!ts or Carney would have a deal already...I mean he is the man for the job, getting a deal from id!ots should be a simple task...We need to stop poking the bear, and drop all this they are the enemy, and start being the allied we once were...because if this escalates as it will, it is going to get a lot worse for Canada.. we can not compete against an economy that is 15 times larger than ours... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted February 26 Report Posted February 26 22 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said: If you listened to Greer's chatter today it seemed a bit clear but fact is we don't know all the discussion details and also probably fair to say Trump has moved the goalposts a few times during the discussions. You're not capable of critical thinking but if you were..... The idea of not signing a bad deal is 100% accurate. You wouldn't do it for a loan or mortgage, you get terminated for bad deals at your place of employment, and you sure as hell don't do it if it impacts X amount of workers in whatever industries those may be. That's not only responsible finance, it's common sense. How can I say when a deal will be signed... They'll sign it when it's the right deal....that's not hard to understand is it? Not sure if you've been paying attention but Trump's idea of a good deal is he wins and you lose. Virtually every other partnership though is a win win. Carney won't sign anything that's not in the best interests of the country. Trump has been firm about the fact that there will have to be tariffs and that he doesn't like supply management. I understand that you like to pretend you know about subjects where you're obviously blissfully but the fact of the matter is we may have to sign a bad deal and that may be better than no deal . If I had a choice between signing a mortgage that was 6% instead of 4% we're losing my house, I would go with the 6%. Any sane person would. Which is why you're struggling with the concept The simple fact is we need America more than they need us. They do need us, trump is lying about that of course but not as much as we need them. And thanks to Carney's bumbling we're already watching our economy go into the tank while the American economy is actually doing fairly well. So we're going to be starting from a place of weakness And what you don't understand is that no deal is actually a deal. Right now we have to deal with trump under his terms and he has made it clear that we pay tariffs on a variety of things, and he can decide tomorrow to change that. So even with no deal we've agreed to a bad deal I get that you enjoy living in denial rather than facing facts but the simple truth is that Canada has already bungled its negotiations with the united states and we're going to be set to lose even more ground than the negotiation starts Carney will come back with his pants down around his knees trying to say that he's glad we held out because we managed to get a bottle of Vaseline out of the deal. But we're not getting a good deal I'm curious, how long did it take you to stop lying to yourself that Trudeau was a great leader who was doing awesome for Canada? I'm just trying to get an idea of the timeline for you before you realize Carney is no different Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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