Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nope, I'm just astonished by how little self-awareness you have. 

That's literally what you say to everybody when you can't argue the point and you're bitter about it

Sigh. 

Yes yes, you're very pretty, well done, here's your participation trophy,  I'll hang the picture you made on the fridge. 🙄🙄

[Moonbox]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That's literally what you say to everybody when you can't argue the point and you're bitter about it

What point do you think you're making here, exactly?  😆

A lack of self-awareness is something that I highlight for a few of you low-functioning man-babies on this forum.  

Meanwhile, you actually are (literally) the most immature, noisiest and most disruptive poster this forum's ever seen.  

[herbie]

How dumb are they?
Most think that once they don't pay federal income tax, they'll only have to pay the same provincial rate they do now.
They think they can build pipelines through foreign countries easier and cheaper than they can now. This one really makes me laugh!
Just like other Canadians think that if they export more oil and gas, it will mean cheaper oil and gas prices fpr them.....

They think they can just tell the natives to STFU and Ottawa will protect their treaty rights.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Nope, I'm just astonished by how little self-awareness you have.  Y

You're not astonished by anything. You are heartbroken that I'm right and can't refute it and so the best you can manage is yet another attempt to make your stupidity my fault. It's childish and speaks poorly of your mental health. 

In the words of eyeball,

WHEEEE LOOK AT HIM GO!!!

 

 

[Goddess]

I had to go down to the referendum signing place today to pick up a document that they were supposed to leave with me but it accidently got gathered up with the other papers when I signed and went back to them.

Got chit chatting with the ladies there and in the approx. 15 mins I was there, 4 more people came in to sign and one more just when I was leaving.

This is small town, pop approx. 3500.

The signing place is open Tuesdays, Fridays & Saturdays.

[TreeBeard]

No ideas if this court challenge will be successful, but on its face, it makes sense that a legal referendum should  be forced to comply with the Constitutional.  
 

How could a province of Canada ask a question that doesn’t follow the constitution and laws of Canada?  
 

The First Nation is asking a court to reinstate the rule that a citizen-initiative petition must follow the constitution – and to halt the current drive for signatures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/07/first-nation-decries-alberta-separatist-push-canada

Edited April 8 by TreeBeard

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

No ideas if this court challenge will be successful, but on its face, it makes sense that a legal referendum should follow be forced to be Constitutional.  
 

How could a province of Canada ask a question that doesn’t follow the constitution and laws of Canada?  
 

The First Nation is asking a court to reinstate the rule that a citizen-initiative petition must follow the constitution – and to halt the current drive for signatures.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/07/first-nation-decries-alberta-separatist-push-canada

We have a lot to deal with that specifically. If there is a constitutional crisis as a result of such a thing then the government is required to enter into good faith negotiations with the party involved.

International law and policy has always recognized people have a right to leave a country if they want to. So constitution aside you can't declare somebody is a slave for the rest of existence because of a constitution.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Like the Sturgeon Lake Creek First Nation said, a province could do it with the most powerful nation on the planet to help enforce it.

You quoted me but I don't think you meant to quote me there, just for the record you're actually quoting treebeard

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

How could a province of Canada ask a question that doesn’t follow the constitution and laws of Canada?  

Like the Sturgeon Lake Creek First Nation said, a province could do it with the most powerful nation on the planet to help enforce it.

[Moonbox]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You're not astonished by anything.

Because you say so!? 🤣

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You are heartbroken that I'm right and can't refute it and so the best you can manage is yet another attempt to make your stupidity my fault. It's childish and speaks poorly of your mental health. 

Speaking of mental health, what does all-day rage-posting on an internet forum suggest?  Is insulting strangers literally thousands and thousands of times annually on a single forum a good sign of mental health and well-being?  🤔

[John Johnston]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Because you say so!? 🤣

Speaking of mental health, what does all-day rage-posting on an internet forum suggest?  Is insulting strangers literally thousands and thousands of times annually on a single forum a good sign of mental health and well-being?  🤔

Rage farming is not healthy for sure. I could not imagine having problems with Life the Universe and everything. Too much work. I blame anonymity in social media in a large part. Who has the time to run around kicking puppies?  😄

[LinkSoul60]

20 hours ago, herbie said:

How dumb are they?

Very...  They seem to be oblivious to the fact that a mass exodus of capital and people would leave the province immediately, taking all that revenue with them.  Moot point.... this isn't going anywhere except for identifying 177K + fools.

[John Johnston]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Very...  They seem to be oblivious to the fact that a mass exodus of capital and people would leave the province immediately, taking all that revenue with them.  Moot point.... this isn't going anywhere except for identifying 177K + fools.

Exactly. 

[Moonbox]

16 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Very...  They seem to be oblivious to the fact that a mass exodus of capital and people would leave the province immediately, taking all that revenue with them.  Moot point.... this isn't going anywhere except for identifying 177K + fools.

I moved there in January, and live in a separatist hotbed.  

I don't want to take it for granted, but a lot of those people who signed the petition don't even really want Alberta to leave.  For many, it seems like it's just a way to tell the Federal government to F off. 

[LinkSoul60]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

I moved there in January, and live in a separatist hotbed.  

I don't want to take it for granted, but a lot of those people who signed the petition don't even really want Alberta to leave.  For many, it seems like it's just a way to tell the Federal government to F off. 

I think you're bang on in that this is a FO message to the federal government, but can't see any way this will gather a great deal of support in a referendum.  I've read the same that people have signed to have that voice to the federal government, but the economic reality is that it would cripple the province.  

[Moonbox]

Just now, LinkSoul60 said:

I think you're bang on in that this is a FO message to the federal government, but can't see any way this will gather a great deal of support in a referendum.  I've read the same that people have signed to have that voice to the federal government, but the economic reality is that it would cripple the province.  

They don't really see it that way.  The amount of money they send to deadbeat Quebec is enough (in their minds) to make up the difference.  

Personally I understand and support some of their sentiments.  I think the equalization formula is bullshit.  I just can't get behind all of the culture war and anti-intellectual garbage these people buy into. 

Of course, they know I'm from Ontario, so they might not be sharing their true opinions with me.  

[LinkSoul60]

6 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

They don't really see it that way.  The amount of money they send to deadbeat Quebec is enough (in their minds) to make up the difference.  

Personally I understand and support some of their sentiments.  I think the equalization formula is bullshit.  I just can't get behind all of the culture war and anti-intellectual garbage these people buy into. 

Of course, they know I'm from Ontario, so they might not be sharing their true opinions with me.  

No doubt that our federal government did little to nothing to support the province's resources, so can see their argument to a certain point.  It's exactly that culture war and intellectual garbage that you note for the reason I can't get my head around how and why people think they way they do...for the AB separation and a lot of society today.

Being from Ontario you're probably in a good sized part of the population that is from elsewhere besides AB... 

[Goddess]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

They think they can build pipelines through foreign countries easier and cheaper than they can now. This one really makes me laugh!

We can. 😀

Bridger’s Canada‑Wyoming crude line seen costing $2 billion, topping 1 million bpd | BOE Report

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, John Johnston said:

I could not imagine having problems with Life the Universe and everything.

That problem has already been solved.

The answer was 42.

[John Johnston]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

That problem has already been solved.

The answer was 42.

Bring your towel. 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No doubt that our federal government did little to nothing to support the province's resources, so can see their argument to a certain point.

The federal government built them a pipeline and is expanding its capacity.

Arguing Ottawa was mismanaging BCs salmon, causing bankruptcy and economic collapse never compelled Ottawa to sink billions into BCs salmon. But of course it was never BCs salmon it was always Canada's.

I definitely get Albertans sense they're better positioned to manage their resources than Ottawa but it's ironic how dependent they are on Ottawa to help develop them and how much the ghost of nationalizing oil seems to be hovering over the Transmountain deal.

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

We can. 😀

Bridger’s Canada‑Wyoming crude line seen costing $2 billion, topping 1 million bpd | BOE Report

Not on your own. You'll always be dependent on someone, in this case America. Good luck with that.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Of course, they know I'm from Ontario, so they might not be sharing their true opinions with me. 

I guarantee you that if they know you're from Ontario, they know you're a Liberal pom-pom waver and the majority of us know there's nothing that will change your mind.  Ever.  They might say a couple things but I suspect they know your true feelings about Albertans.

Albertans in general - we know now that Ottawa will never change.

11 years of stifling industry and the economy.  Canada will not survive another 3-4 years of it.  

Ballooning deficits, printing money, mass immigration from India, social experiments like "free drugs for drug addicts", hiring more & more government workers, none of that is stopping.  It's not going to stop.

We see the Liberal Party fighting like hell to be able to use the Emergency Act any time they feel like it, for any reason.  There's a reason for that.  They will call for climate lockdowns or economic lockdowns next.  When the Emergency Act is implemented, there will be no elections in Canada. 

Carney is a Central Banker and he's changing the laws and the Charter to be able to achieve the Central Banker agenda.  You're not gonna like it.  But you won't be able to do anything about it or protest it when its fully implemented.

These floor-crossings have changed the outcome of the 2025 election and show that voting doesn't matter.  Albertans have taken note.  We know it means we will have even less say than we do now.  Democracy is finished in Canada.

The rest of you can have what you voted for - ballooning deficits, money printing, no industry, a tanking economy, social experimentation, higher & higher taxation, inflation, food insecurity.  The Liberals love power.  They know what they have to say to get and keep power.  But they are really bad at governing.

Alberta is done with all that.  The rest of you are not.

And that's ok. 🙂

I don't understand why any of you are upset.

You get what you want.  We get what we want.

Everybody's happy. 😀

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not on your own. You'll always be dependent on someone, in this case America. Good luck with that.

No country is fully independent.  They all rely on trade with other countries.

Good luck with China.  🙂

(You're gonna need it.)

[Moonbox]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I definitely get Albertans sense they're better positioned to manage their resources than Ottawa but it's ironic how dependent they are on Ottawa to help develop them and how much the ghost of nationalizing oil seems to be hovering over the Transmountain deal.

The Transmountain pipeline was purchased because it turned into a debacle and left egg all over Trudeau's face.  Calling them dependent on Ottawa to develop their resources ignores all of the legislation and regulatory hurdles that made the private sector abandon all of these projects in the first place.  Energy East, Bill C-69, Bill C-48 etc have all stymied investment in oil and gas. 

The biggest source of frustration for Albertans is that the RoC is more than happy to hold their hands out and receive transfer payments, but with the other hand obstruct and frustrate the efforts that generate that wealth.  There's a disconnect between East and West (particularly Quebec) and the Federal government has prioritized the needs of one over the other.  

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I guarantee you that if they know you're from Ontario, they know you're a Liberal pom-pom waver and the majority of us know there's nothing that will change your mind.  Ever.  They might say a couple things but I suspect they know your true feelings about Albertans.

Albertans in general - we know now that Ottawa will never change.

11 years of stifling industry and the economy.  Canada will not survive another 3-4 years of it.  

Ballooning deficits, printing money, mass immigration from India, social experiments like "free drugs for drug addicts", hiring more & more government workers, none of that is stopping.  It's not going to stop.

We see the Liberal Party fighting like hell to be able to use the Emergency Act any time they feel like it, for any reason.  There's a reason for that.  They will call for climate lockdowns or economic lockdowns next.  When the Emergency Act is implemented, there will be no elections in Canada. 

Carney is a Central Banker and he's changing the laws and the Charter to be able to achieve the Central Banker agenda.  You're not gonna like it.  But you won't be able to do anything about it or protest it when its fully implemented.

These floor-crossings have changed the outcome of the 2025 election and show that voting doesn't matter.  Albertans have taken note.  We know it means we will have even less say than we do now.  Democracy is finished in Canada.

The rest of you can have what you voted for - ballooning deficits, money printing, no industry, a tanking economy, social experimentation, higher & higher taxation, inflation, food insecurity.  The Liberals love power.  They know what they have to say to get and keep power.  But they are really bad at governing.

Alberta is done with all that.  The rest of you are not.

And that's ok. 🙂

I don't understand why any of you are upset.

You get what you want.  We get what we want.

Everybody's happy. 😀

 

 

 

No country is fully independent.  They all rely on trade with other countries.

Good luck with China.  🙂

(You're gonna need it.)

Thanks for the rant, Karen.  

[Legato]

39 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Arguing Ottawa was mismanaging BCs salmon, causing bankruptcy and economic collapse never compelled Ottawa to sink billions into BCs salmon. But of course it was never BCs salmon it was always Canada's.

 

Provincial Rights: Through the Natural Resources Transfer Act of 1930, Alberta gained control over its natural resources.

Provincial Ownership: The Government of Alberta manages 81% of the province's mineral rights, including oil sands and conventional oil.

Federal/Private Rights: About 19% of mineral rights are under federal jurisdiction (national parks, First Nations reserves) or private ownership.

[Goddess]

It should really be obvious to everyone by now (but I know some of you are still snoring), but Carney doesn't view Canada as a sovereign nation.

He views it as a corporate boardroom, ripe for a takeover.

I believe the Liberals know how damaging to democracy this amount of floor crossing is (which is unprecedented).  I believe this is the point of it.

Degrade democracy to one-party rule.

Voila!  New World Order.  Where no country has sovereignty, all are ruled by unelected bureaucrats, billionaires and technocrats, same rules for everyone.  If they say "You all have to take in 10 million refugees" everyone has to do it, no matter what it does to the country.  They make rules that don't affect themselves and don't care how it works out for the people on the ground.  They're making money, so......

Edited April 8 by Goddess