Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[Goddess]

At some point, some of you will wake up and realize it's not Alberta that was treasonous.

It was the Liberal government you all cheered for, while they sold out your national sovereignty to the New World Order with China and stole all your money.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

The biggest source of frustration for Albertans is that the RoC is more than happy to hold their hands out and receive transfer payments, but with the other hand obstruct and frustrate the efforts that generate that wealth.

Get in line I guess...in our case they just outright eliminated it. We said we'd be happy to take over responsibility for managing it ourselves but... Oh well the water under that bridge may have carried that dead canary out of sight but not the reason it died.

I'm convinced it's the way our Confederation and governing system were cobbled together. It's unsustainable. There's just too many inconsistencies and issues that have piled up. All it seems we can do is drive until something breaks or wears out and we cobble it back together again.

We'll likelier run out of road before we ever learn to get it off the ground.

 

[Goddess]

32 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm convinced it's the way our Confederation and governing system were cobbled together. It's unsustainable. There's just too many inconsistencies and issues that have piled up.

There's probably some truth to this.

4 or 5 cities in the East decide who runs Canada and they are Liberal strongholds by tradition, not by educated voting.

When the Liberals are power federally, all they have to do is keep those 4 or 5 cities happy.  When Conservatives are in power, they have to keep both the East and the West happy.  And that's a more difficult job.

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Very...  They seem to be oblivious to the fact that a mass exodus of capital and people would leave the province immediately, taking all that revenue with them.  Moot point.... this isn't going anywhere except for identifying 177K + fools.

I forgot Goddess... 177,001

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

The federal government built them a pipeline and is expanding its capacity.

Arguing Ottawa was mismanaging BCs salmon, causing bankruptcy and economic collapse never compelled Ottawa to sink billions into BCs salmon. But of course it was never BCs salmon it was always Canada's.

I definitely get Albertans sense they're better positioned to manage their resources than Ottawa but it's ironic how dependent they are on Ottawa to help develop them and how much the ghost of nationalizing oil seems to be hovering over the Transmountain deal.

It was a monumental chore and cost but they did get their pipeline which as you note is expanding, and my 2 cents, good enough with maybe the exception of revisiting Keystone.

BC salmon never got/gets the national attention Alberta gets with oil so not surprised in the least Ottawa would say it's our fish when you don't have the wider audience being critical of policy.

I'm curious if a proponent is in the background for a northern pipeline or if one will come forward, but I think a real argument can be made that oil's longer term status took another big hit with this US/Iran war. Asian countries who are feeling this more than energy rich countries and you'd have to think that ramping up their investments in renewable energy is going to be the priority moving forward which will only help oil demand peak out earlier than that 2030/35 timeframe. That's not going to stop Alberta from lobbying for Ottawa's help in building them own any direction they can, and blaming them when it can't happen.

 

[Goddess]

There is no benefit to Alberta to remain in Canada.

Not even one.

[LinkSoul60]

30 minutes ago, Goddess said:

There is no benefit to Alberta to remain in Canada.

Not even one.

I'm curious to hear your reasoning of why Alberta shouldn't remain part of Canada.

End of the day it's a moot point because it's not going to happen for a myriad of reasons.... then what, do you leave or stay and keep crying all day long?

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

BC salmon never got/gets the national attention Alberta gets with oil so not surprised in the least Ottawa would say it's our fish when you don't have the wider audience being critical of policy.

Marine fish resources really are Ottawa's - they're not like minerals, oil or forests at all and never have been.

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

...I think a real argument can be made that oil's longer term status took another big hit with this US/Iran war. Asian countries who are feeling this more than energy rich countries and you'd have to think that ramping up their investments in renewable energy is going to be the priority moving forward which will only help oil demand peak out earlier than that 2030/35 timeframe.

You'd certainly think so, the best chance to make the most of Alberta's oil was decades ago. Trying to cash in a day late and a bunch of pipelines and refineries short is so Canadian.

We should be going all in on alternatives.

[Goddess]

47 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

I'm curious to hear your reasoning of why Alberta shouldn't remain part of Canada.

LOL  No you're not.

[Goddess]

Support is at 42%.  That's more than for Brexit.

 

Support for Alberta separatism at a 5-year high: poll | National Post

 

Lots of post like this today:

 

 

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

LOL  No you're not.

Yes I am.  I'm curious why you think separating is good for the 'province' when the clear consensus is that separation would severely hurt the 'province' with economic, fiscal and logistics challenges.   

[LinkSoul60]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

You'd certainly think so, the best chance to make the most of Alberta's oil was decades ago. Trying to cash in a day late and a bunch of pipelines and refineries short is so Canadian.

We should be going all in on alternatives.

But they would be the best damn pipelines and refineries you've ever seen...

We absolutely should be going all in, with the electricity MOU a good place to start by connecting all provinces to a national grid.  Usage is expected to double in the next 25 years while oil will be on its way out, if not already.  Time to get ahead of the game rather than playing catch-up.  

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Because you say so!? 🤣

 

No, it's because you're simply not that bright   my pointing that out has nothing to do with it. 

 

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Speaking of mental health, what does all-day rage-posting on an internet forum suggest? 

In this case it suggests that you believe that lying and extreme exaggeration are suitable replacement for intellect and reasoned discourse. But we knew that  

I'm able to post a lot because I'm smart and voice dictation lets me type it about 70 or 80 words a minute. It seems like a lot to you because you just used two fingers and it takes you 4 hours to think of a reply

I hardly ever rage bait, I mostly just laugh at you guys

Right punkin? How's those math lessons  

[LinkSoul60]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm able to post a lot because I'm smart

That's a good one!!!  

The power of positive thinking 👍 😂

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

That's a good one!!!  

 

And true! Unfortunately both him and you are restricted and how much you can post by the fact that you have to mouth each word as you're typing  

[LinkSoul60]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And true! Unfortunately both him and you are restricted and how much you can post by the fact that you have to mouth each word as you're typing  

So being able to spew your little thoughts and comments in rapid fire succession because of voice dictation is being smart?  I don't think me or anyone else is restricted with how much or little can be said because we 'type' it.  Just involves a bit more time for lengthier comments, surprisingly.

Why the emoji with the tongue hanging out....again?

[Legato]

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

the clear consensus is that separation would severely hurt the 'province' with economic, fiscal and logistics challenges.

It's a "consensus" is it?

Amongst whom?

Ottawa is already severely hurting Alberta with economic, fiscal and logistic challenges.  

It's funny that you talk about there being a "consensus" but you don't know anything about how the issues will be resolved.  I get it, you get your info from the CBC so you're extremely uninformed.  Add to that, that you have zero interest in getting any information apart from what the CBC tells you and it's just willful ignorance now and a contented laziness for wanting to have your opinions and thoughts spoonfed to you.

I will tell you this, having lived in 3 different provinces in my lifetime - I have found Albertans to have the highest level of political intelligence.  There are far more Albertans who are very active in keeping politically informed than in any other province.  They actually care about what policies come out of Ottawa and they care about how those policies affect all of Canada, not just Alberta.

I guess, they USED to care about how policies affected everyone else.  It's clear the rest of Canda doesn't care about Alberta, beyond using them as a piggy bank.  It's an abusive relationship.  The rest of Canada takes & takes & takes and shits on Alberta constantly - Oh, we're all stupid country hicks. 🙄

Everything about separation has a solution - from Indigenous treaties, to CPP, to trade with other provinces and countries, to being landlocked, to what to do with all the money we don't have to give to Quebec & Ontario.  Constitutional lawyers have it figured out.

I don't know if you know this or not, but the separatist movement in Saskatchewan is picking up a lot of steam. If SK sees that separation is possible and leads to prosperity, imagine if SK separates with us.

It's Ontario & Quebec that will have the fiscal & economic problems, not us.

 

[Moonbox]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm able to post a lot because I'm smart and voice dictation lets me type it about 70 or 80 words a minute. It seems like a lot to you because you just used two fingers and it takes you 4 hours to think of a reply

Yeah man.  Everyone totally believes that you're posting 40+ messages a day, most of it emotional rubbish, insults, and emoji-spamming.  

That's certainly one way of confirming that you spend your whole day alone at home.  🫠

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Yeah man.  Everyone totally believes that you're posting 40+ messages a day, most of it emotional rubbish, insults, and emoji-spamming.  

That's certainly one way of confirming that you spend your whole day alone at home.  🫠

Absoutely nobody other than you thinks about how much anyone else is posting. 

And frankly they think less of you for whining about it.   

I posted the statistics for you before. This is actually not that much, it's just that I don't post anywhere else. But the average person between all their social media actually posts more than me.

But let's face it. Intellectually I make you look stupid every single time you post. You can't form an argument, and when you try you wind up proving yourself wrong 90% of the time we're screwing up the math so bad you look like a complete twat

So all you've got is my postcount   LOLOL how utterly pathetic is that  

 

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Absoutely nobody other than you thinks about how much anyone else is posting. 

Because you say so!?  🤡

I can assure you that people definitely notice your ever-present stink here, and how often you're derailing threads.  

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

Because you say so!?  🤡

 

Because it's true    And it obviously hurts your feelings that it's true

Sorry iittle guy, but to everyone else you just look like a weak little person who yaps at his betters.  Nobody cares about 'post count' but you. 

[Moonbox]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because it's true    And it obviously hurts your feelings that it's true

My feelings are hurt because you say so?  Too bad nobody cares! 

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

My feelings are hurt because you say so? 

Because YOU say so.  Its pretty obvious from your posts.  

And for some reason you seem to need my approval and attention.  There there....  you're a good boy, i'll put the picture you made on the fridge   

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Yeah man.  Everyone totally believes that you're posting 40+ messages a day, most of it emotional rubbish, insults, and emoji-spamming.  

That's certainly one way of confirming that you spend your whole day alone at home.  🫠

Yet you seem to thoroughly enjoy the 12-year-old's posts.

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

and how often you're derailing threads.  

Again, you thoroughly enjoy the 12-year-old's posts.