Are Alberta Separatists Committing Treason?

[Goddess]

Here is a brief video on the Indigenous Treaties issue.

I know it's not CBC, but frankly, CBC is not going to cover this issue.  There are a ton of videos of the town halls that have been happening in every Alberta city, town, village, hamlet and FN Reserve, that cover this one topic in great detail.

You would be foolish to underestimate the number of FN people who would love to get out from under The Indian Act.  And Alberta separation would make that possible.  If they choose it.

 

 

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Yet you seem to thoroughly enjoy the 12-year-old's posts.

I understand what he's doing.  

If you monkeys can't keep your cool and debate like adults, and want to stink up the forum all day every day with insults, he's going to hold that mirror up to you and respond in kind.  The difference between him and the angry no-life loser who spends his whole life insulting people here (and you happily upvote) is that one is trolling deliberately, while the other is just too stupid and belligerent to stop.  

[Goddess]

Just now, Moonbox said:

I understand what he's doing.  

If you monkeys can't keep your cool and debate like adults, and want to stink up the forum all day every day with insults, he's going to hold that mirror up to you and respond in kind.  The difference between him and the angry no-life loser who spends his whole life insulting people here (and you happily upvote) is that one is trolling deliberately, while the other is just too stupid and belligerent to stop.  

Ya, he's explained to us before.  He can say anything he wants to anyone else and we are supposed to shut up and let him.  

Just now, Moonbox said:

he's going to hold that mirror up to you and respond in kind.

Yes, that's exactly how 12-year-olds think and act.

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you monkeys can't keep your cool and debate like adults

This is a lie.

What happens most often is we "monkeys" post a well-thought argument or statement and your best friend responds with:

LLOOLLLL  LLOOOOOSER!!! PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE......LOOOLLL  L LLLOOL LL LL OO LLLLLOOOOSER.....LOOLLLLLLOOOSER PEDOHILE PEDOPHILE.......LOOOOOOSSSEERRRR    LLOLLL  LLLOLL  LLOL LLLOO LLL LLOO LLLLLOOOSERR.

You have the order of events backwards.

 

[Moonbox]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Ya, he's explained to us before.  He can say anything he wants to anyone else and we are supposed to shut up and let him.  

This sort of complaint would have more credibility if you weren't constantly upvoting the forum's biggest polluter and if you weren't on a hair-trigger for insults yourself.  🙃

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This sort of complaint would have more credibility if you weren't constantly upvoting the forum's biggest polluter and if you weren't on a hair-trigger for insults yourself.  🙃

Right backatcha.

And I upvote when it's a well-thought out post or sometimes a good barb.

You upvote all the LLOOLLLL LLOOOSOOEOEOEROLLL LOOOLL    LOOLL  PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE  LOOLOLLL LLOLL LLOOOOOSEEEERRRRR  posts.

Maybe it's time YOU looked in a mirror.

You rarely post anything of interest or comment on much, you're just here to chase people around the forum that you don't like and insult them and shove your head up the 12-year-old's butt.

Edited April 9 by Goddess

[Goddess]

The arguments for Alberta separation are data-driven and logical.  This is why you don't see them on CBC.

The arguments for Alberta to stay are emotional and hysterical.  This is why you see them on CBC.

[Goddess]

"If you had one shot or one opportunity

To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment

Would you capture it or just let it slip?"

~~ Eminem ~~

 

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Right backatcha.

And I upvote when it's a well-thought out post or sometimes a good barb.

You upvote all the LLOOLLLL LLOOOSOOEOEOEROLLL LOOOLL    LOOLL  PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE PEDOPHILE  LOOLOLLL LLOLL LLOOOOOSEEEERRRRR  posts.

Maybe it's time YOU looked in a mirror.

You rarely post anything of interest or comment on much, you're just here to chase people around the forum that you don't like and insult them and shove your head up the 12-year-old's butt.

This is the image that of “maturity” you regularly demonstrate on this forum, while you whine about other people’s behaviour.  😑

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is the image that of “maturity” you regularly demonstrate on this forum, while you whine about other people’s behaviour.  😑

Why don't you just contribute to discussions instead of chasing me and Fox around the board?

 

[LinkSoul60]

8 hours ago, Goddess said:

It's a "consensus" is it?

Amongst whom?

Ottawa is already severely hurting Alberta with economic, fiscal and logistic challenges.  

It's funny that you talk about there being a "consensus" but you don't know anything about how the issues will be resolved.  I get it, you get your info from the CBC so you're extremely uninformed.  Add to that, that you have zero interest in getting any information apart from what the CBC tells you and it's just willful ignorance now and a contented laziness for wanting to have your opinions and thoughts spoonfed to you.

I will tell you this, having lived in 3 different provinces in my lifetime - I have found Albertans to have the highest level of political intelligence.  There are far more Albertans who are very active in keeping politically informed than in any other province.  They actually care about what policies come out of Ottawa and they care about how those policies affect all of Canada, not just Alberta.

I guess, they USED to care about how policies affected everyone else.  It's clear the rest of Canda doesn't care about Alberta, beyond using them as a piggy bank.  It's an abusive relationship.  The rest of Canada takes & takes & takes and shits on Alberta constantly - Oh, we're all stupid country hicks. 🙄

Everything about separation has a solution - from Indigenous treaties, to CPP, to trade with other provinces and countries, to being landlocked, to what to do with all the money we don't have to give to Quebec & Ontario.  Constitutional lawyers have it figured out.

I don't know if you know this or not, but the separatist movement in Saskatchewan is picking up a lot of steam. If SK sees that separation is possible and leads to prosperity, imagine if SK separates with us.

It's Ontario & Quebec that will have the fiscal & economic problems, not us.

 

Amongst pollsters Abacus, AR, Leger, etc...  A good majority of ~65% disapproves and even within the group that would vote separation, only ~50% would vote regardless of the economic pain while the others just want their voice heard.

I don't get my news from think-alike friends on X or Facebook so why don't you give me the inside dope of how and why this wouldn't be an economic kick in the groin. Most every economist or person with common sense would tell you this new 'Alberta' would see economic contraction, the exit of capital, corporate head offices and people.  The province is landlocked, nobody would invest because of uncertainty, and all the while you will be paying more for healthcare and every other service, provided you can find it.  What do you do about currency and what bank would support that, what do about your portion of the national debt, etc, etc, etc....

And no, I did business in Alberta for 30 some odd years and well aware the province isn't a bunch of 'hicks'.  I view some of you as fools, but there are fools everywhere...  This will go nowhere but will at least allow you fools to keep complaining in hopes of getting bit more off your chest.  

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I understand what he's doing.  

If you monkeys can't keep your cool and debate like adults, and want to stink up the forum all day every day with insults, he's going to hold that mirror up to you and respond in kind.  

Sooooo... posting pictures of ass porn for a week is a reasonable response to people you disagree with in your opinon  

Ya know, every time i think you can't make yourself look any more stupid you prove that i've underestimated you   

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Why don't you just contribute to discussions instead of chasing me and Fox around the board?

 

That would mean he'd have to be able to come up with intelligent arguments. That's not really an option for him. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Moonbox said:

This is the image that of “maturity” you regularly demonstrate on this forum, while you whine about other people’s behaviour.  😑

holy pot meet  kettle batman    And YOU say OTHERS have no sense of self awareness     ALL you do on this forum is whine about other people. 

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Amongst pollsters Abacus, AR, Leger, etc...  A good majority of ~65% disapproves and even within the group that would vote separation, only ~50% would vote regardless of the economic pain while the others just want their voice heard.

I don't get my news from think-alike friends on X or Facebook so why don't you give me the inside dope of how and why this wouldn't be an economic kick in the groin. Most every economist or person with common sense would tell you this new 'Alberta' would see economic contraction, the exit of capital, corporate head offices and people.  The province is landlocked, nobody would invest because of uncertainty, and all the while you will be paying more for healthcare and every other service, provided you can find it.  What do you do about currency and what bank would support that, what do about your portion of the national debt, etc, etc, etc....

And no, I did business in Alberta for 30 some odd years and well aware the province isn't a bunch of 'hicks'.  I view some of you as fools, but there are fools everywhere...  This will go nowhere but will at least allow you fools to keep complaining in hopes of getting bit more off your chest.  

The sentiment is there, but buried. Which is much like quebec. 

The question is can it be whipped into a flame. That's very hard to predict. 

Honestly if sask knew alberta was leaving and alberta knew sask was leaving i think both would vote strongly for it. As it is, the 'leave' campaign would have an up hill battle, but not an insurmountable one. The campaign matters. If it starts getting momentum that can build very quickly.

[Goddess]

Via David Robinson:

If you know NOTHING ELSE about Canadian Politics, know that this alone is why Alberta needs out.

34 out of 37 opted to go blue in the federal election. By all rights, a mega supermajority.

0% of them have any say, federally- and if they do, the needs of Quebec and Ontario come first.

There is no fair deal we can make with the present framework - where 92% of the will of the province is consistently ignored, while people at the opposite end continue oppressive lawmaking, regulation, culture, and views towards Alberta.

[herbie]

I suppose the corner of Vancouver Island that went Green is totally justified to form it's own country because Ottawa isn't giving them what they want?
I mean an area that votes wrong out of sheer habit over and over, ans even whines and gripes when the Tories do win. That has the lowest taxes and highest incomes and a disgruntled few use the tax bracket of a geographic area as justification, one that exists solely because of Ottawa creating it and has no distinct history, geography, race or religion and must pretend they are different than other Canadians must invent any reason to spread their own unhappiness 
A mere example of the loudest minority pretending they speak for the majority/

Sorry to the traitors that live there, but if you simply aren't willing to share or negotiate seriously with the ROC, threats aren't gonna work and are already costing you money by stalling. It's 2026 and you're dreaming that oil and coal are gonna turn you into Dubai when it's too late. Get to the table and work out an agreement while you can.

[Goddess]

In this clip from the Liberal convention yesterday, Carney tells Liberals, to great cheers & applause, that "Nostalgia for the past is not a strategy."

We in Alberta completely agree!

If your only argument for Alberta to stay in Canada is nostalgia for the past, Albertans have good news for you!

 

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

I suppose the corner of Vancouver Island that went Green is totally justified to form it's own country because Ottawa isn't giving them what they want?

Not that, no. But from a bioregional perspective less decentralization and more area-based management would be a good thing for Canadians anywhere they live.

In my case when people ask why  I wear a Vancouver Island Liberation Organization tee shirt I point at some old abandoned fishboat or fish-plant on a beach and then east towards Ottawa and remind them DFO is headquartered 3500 miles away. Its 1500 miles east to the next ocean where you'll much the same thing.

Quaint little drinking villages with a fishing problem.

You can find them all over the world actually.

[herbie]

Another citizen of "Area 250 is Beyond Hope" eh?

Welcome to the Northern Resource Extraction Zone Co-Prosperity Sphere

Sure seems like that sometimes. We supply, 604 prospers. But at least we don't live in concrete bunkers and pretend that's success....

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, herbie said:

Another citizen of "Area 250 is Beyond Hope" eh?

More of a wistful fan of Valdy's observation that Vancouver Island makes you feel so far away.

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

Welcome to the Northern Resource Extraction Zone Co-Prosperity Sphere

Sure seems like that sometimes. We supply, 604 prospers. But at least we don't live in concrete bunkers and pretend that's success....

It goes both ways, these days you can prosper just fine catering to peoples need to escape the 604s concrete bunkers.

[herbie]

As I know well, as a loaned worker in Courtney that needed about 65 thousand years seniority to post on the Island I posted to Northern BC as having a family cabin in the Cariboo, that is similarly more palatable.
To watch hundreds of trucks and massive trains head south daily.

Was rather satisfying to be on vacation in southern Oregon.go by with car after car of lumber with wrappers labelled with a local mill. One not headquartered in Vancouver...

[WestCanMan]

I love that tis threat title stays on the page as long as this conversation goes on...

Libs: "Alberta oil has to stay in the ground"

Also Libs: "Alberta can't leave because we need all the money from oil, agriculture, etc, that funds Quebec."

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I love that tis threat title stays on the page as long as this conversation goes on...

Libs: "Alberta oil has to stay in the ground"

Also Libs: "Alberta can't leave because we need all the money from oil, agriculture, etc, that funds Quebec."

As Dion famously said,  "we don't want to KILL the cash cow..."

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As Dion famously said,  "we don't want to KILL the cash cow..."

"... we just want to drain every last drop of blood from it we can without it dying or running away."

[CdnFox]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

"... we just want to drain every last drop of blood from it we can without it dying or running away."

That was the implicaiton.  We want them to be shut down and crippled as much as possible as long as we can still squeeze the cash we need out of them. So we'll pass laws to make sure most of the oil stays in the ground and tax the rest so that there's nohting left