Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Pre tar sands/oil patch, before eastern folks came west for employment, Alberta was hardcore 'right of centre'. Now it's contaminated with the screwed-up left wing/Liberal thinking of those eastern folks . . . that's probably the thinking that will keep Alberta in Confederation. The "Bumbs and Scums"? Lol...I remember old Ralphy saying that one. He was probably half cut. I remember my uncles commenting, "We grow the grain, pay to send it to Ontario to be turned to flour for bread, then pay to ship it back so we can have bread." Alberta's always had a 'beef' with Ottawa. And now it looks like Alberta would be wise...financially...to separate. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nefarious Banana Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I wonder what would happen if Alberta just ignored Ottawa? No federal payments, build and mine at will. What might Ottawa do? Attack? You have asked the defining question! Remit no Transfer/Equalization/Federal Sales Tax or Federal Income Tax. Still declare that Alberta is part of Canada . . . again what could/would Ottawa do? Mabey wipe the cream pie off their faces. Stay in Canada, expect nothing from deadbeat Ottawa and above all don't comply on $$ going east. Quote
Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: You have asked the defining question! Remit no Transfer/Equalization/Federal Sales Tax or Federal Income Tax. Still declare that Alberta is part of Canada . . . again what could/would Ottawa do? Mabey wipe the cream pie off their faces. Stay in Canada, expect nothing from deadbeat Ottawa and above all don't comply on $$ going east. Of course...Federal benefits like CPP and old age pension would be cut. But I have a sneaking suspicion Alberta could afford it. After all, this is the province that built The Heritage Trust Fund. They did it once, they can do it again. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: You have asked the defining question! Remit no Transfer/Equalization/Federal Sales Tax or Federal Income Tax. Still declare that Alberta is part of Canada . . . again what could/would Ottawa do? Mabey wipe the cream pie off their faces. Stay in Canada, expect nothing from deadbeat Ottawa and above all don't comply on $$ going east. Good idea, would be nice to see the CBC, CTV, Global in full melt down mode, along with some on this board. 1 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Politics1990 said: well i meant more if they hit 50% plus one in my eyes they more then welcome to go lol No. There is still no right to separate, as the quote says that I mentioned by the Supreme Court contained in the Clarity Act. 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: No federal payments Alberta doesn’t pay the feds. Where do you get this weird notion that Alberta is paying money from the Alberta treasury to the federal government? Edited January 29 by TreeBeard Quote
Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 Ya know...I also remember summers in the Okanogan. But I've also spent a summer in Cours d'Alene Idaho. Nice place. Same mountains. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: No. There is still no right to separate, as the quote I mentioned by the Supreme Court contained in the Clarity Act. Alberta doesn’t pay the feds. Where do you get this weird notion that Alberta is paying money from the A,Berta treasury to the federal government? Uhm... https://theclarion.ca/politicslaw/is-alberta-getting-ripped-off-by-ottawa-the-numbers-say-yes/ Regardless of transfer method, someone's getting ripped off here. Edited January 29 by Nationalist Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Legato Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: There is still no right to separate, as the quote I mentioned by the Supreme Court contained in the Clarity Act.A The SCC provided a road map for legal separation in a 1998 reference .[5] Following the case, the federal government enacted a law in 2000 to provide “clarity” for how the federal government would approach a future independence referendum.[6] Details here.... https://www.constitutionalstudies.ca/2019/07/a-long-and-uncertain-road-to-alberta-independence/?print=print#:~:text=The SCC provided a road,approach a future independence referendum. Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 15 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said: Remit no Transfer/Equalization/Federal Sales Tax or Federal Income Tax Alberta doesn’t remit any of that. The money never flows to Alberta. It all goes straight to the feds from individuals and businesses. Sure, withhold your income tax out of protest. See how that goes for you. 😂 Quote
TreeBeard Posted January 29 Author Report Posted January 29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Uhm... https://theclarion.ca/politicslaw/is-alberta-getting-ripped-off-by-ottawa-the-numbers-say-yes/ Money for equalization doesn’t come from the Albertan treasury. It is paid for by businesses and individuals through federal taxes. The province of Alberta doesn’t write a cheque. 🤦♂️ It is paid FROM the province, not by the province. The part that involves the provinces is the formula to RECEIVE federal funds. Edited January 29 by TreeBeard Quote
Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Money for equalization doesn’t come from the Albertan treasury. It is paid for by businesses and individuals through federal taxes. The province of Alberta doesn’t write a cheque. 🤦♂️ It is paid FROM the province, not by the province. The part that involves the provinces is the formula to RECEIVE federal funds. Well...Ottawa would keep their funds...and Albertains can pay only provincial taxes. Bonus! 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Politics1990 Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 20 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: No. There is still no right to separate, as the quote says that I mentioned by the Supreme Court contained in the Clarity Act. Alberta doesn’t pay the feds. Where do you get this weird notion that Alberta is paying money from the Alberta treasury to the federal government? well if thats the case whats the point of having a vote if they can't leave even if they hit 50%? personally idm if they stay if they are stupid enough to vote 50% to leave then thats on them and goodluck Quote
John Johnston Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 3 out of 10 Albertans want to separate. That's fine, I hear that trailers in Florida are going cheap these days. The rest of the Albertans are busy living their lives. :) 1 Quote
Nationalist Posted January 29 Report Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, John Johnston said: 3 out of 10 Albertans want to separate. That's fine, I hear that trailers in Florida are going cheap these days. The rest of the Albertans are busy living their lives. Correct. But should they choose to, they'd do fine financially. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Goddess Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Atlantic Canada: 1 MP for every 80,000 people 1 senator for every 87,000 people Alberta: 1 MP for every 137,000 people 1 senator for every 840,000 people Canada is designed to minimize Western voices and use their wealth to buy votes in the East. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 4 hours ago, John Stone said: ..................rumor is they're all Quebecois - arguably that would give them immunity to prosecution. Kind of a Louis Riel thing - heard that traitor has his own statue on Parly Hill. Yes. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 10 minutes ago, Goddess said: Atlantic Canada: 1 MP for every 80,000 people 1 senator for every 87,000 people Alberta: 1 MP for every 137,000 people 1 senator for every 840,000 people Canada is designed to minimize Western voices and use their wealth to buy votes in the East. Atlantic Canada has more francophones than Alberta. Many of the past prime ministers have been francophones. You should separate from France. 😜 Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Correct. But should they choose to, they'd do fine financially. Impossible! They would lose the support from Canada! Any country with no Canadian federal government is a third world country. 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: They don’t actually have a right to separate unilaterally. A province, or area, or town, or city in Canada has zero power to leave Canada. Who says who has the power? The federal government? Quote
eyeball Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Legato said: Good idea, would be nice to see the CBC, CTV, Global in full melt down mode, along with some on this board. Why CTV? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
QuebecOverCanada Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, John Johnston said: 3 out of 10 Albertans want to separate. That's fine, I hear that trailers in Florida are going cheap these days. The rest of the Albertans are busy living their lives. It's funny that you describe Albertans as Trailer Parkers while Alberta is probably the richest province by far of Canada. They will buy penthouses and the best real estate. You will remain in your 1 bedroom condo in the meantime. That is probably rented too. Quote
Politics1990 Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Alberta doesn’t remit any of that. The money never flows to Alberta. It all goes straight to the feds from individuals and businesses. Sure, withhold your income tax out of protest. See how that goes for you. 😂 yep be jailed eventually some of these people is stupid af . Quote
Goddess Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Correct. But should they choose to, they'd do fine financially. 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 The 2000 Clarity Act outlines the path for any province to secede from Canada. It was created for Quebec. Alberta's going to use it. And you're all like, "Nooooo, you can't do that!" 1 Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 30 Report Posted January 30 Honestly, we don't know what you're all b!tching about. You can give all your property to the Indigenous, 50% of your income to the gov't, go woke & broke and vote in the Liberals in perpetuity. It looks like a WIN for you. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
TreeBeard Posted January 30 Author Report Posted January 30 2 hours ago, Politics1990 said: well if thats the case whats the point of having a vote if they can't leave even if they hit 50%? personally idm if they stay if they are stupid enough to vote 50% to leave then thats on them and goodluck That would trigger negotiations with Canada. That means Canada doesn’t let places like Calgary or Edmonton go, if they didn’t vote to separate in those areas. Treaty lands are not Alberta’s. An independent Alberta certainly wouldn’t have the borders it currently does; those are Canada’s borders. Have you read the Clarity Act? It does not give away Canada’s land just because of referendum results. 1 1 Quote
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