Another Conservative crosses the floor, bringing Liberals 1 MP shy of majority

[BeaverFever]

Another Conservative crosses the floor, bringing Liberals 1 MP shy of majority
 

Ontario MP Michael Ma announced Thursday that he is leaving the Conservative caucus and joining the Liberals.

The MP said in a statement that he made the decision after listening to his constituents in the riding of Markham-Unionville in the Greater Toronto Area.

"This is a time for unity and decisive action for Canada's future," he wrote.

"In that spirit, I have concluded that Prime Minister Mark Carney is offering the steady, practical approach we need to deliver on the priorities I hear every day while door-knocking in Markham-Unionville."

Ma's move comes just a few weeks after former Conservative Chris d'Entremont also left the Conservatives to join the government benches.

The new addition to the Liberal caucus means Carney is one seat away from a majority government.

Rumours swirled in the days following d'Entremont's defection that more Conservatives would follow the Nova Scotia MP — but none had switched sides until Ma.
 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals-9.7012767

[eyeball]

Ha you beat me to it!

 

[Politics1990]

not the biggest fan of   the libs since they got elected but  LOL    . pp is a clownshow  hopfully they boot him in jan and get a good centrist option and not the maple maga nonsense pp comes with

[John Stone]

The Conservative leader is akin to Hans Brinker. 

....... his Party and himself are using their fingers. 

[PIK]

This is nothing to joke about,even if you are a liberal. Cons lost seats to do with Chinese interference in the last election. But as people said,it didn't matter because it wouldn't have changed the outcome. Now those seats have become very important now.  Now we have a immigrant from Hong Kong crossing over. He said because of PP, but why didn't he wait till after the vote? Is this guy a agent for the Chinese or are the Chinese hanging something over head, like the safety of his family? People need to wake up and wake up fast. 

[PIK]

13 hours ago, Politics1990 said:

not the biggest fan of   the libs since they got elected but  LOL    . pp is a clownshow  hopfully they boot him in jan and get a good centrist option and not the maple maga nonsense pp comes with

What maple maga? He is a centrist. Funny how every con policy Its all maga now. Our problems with debt, crime, immigration is because if trudeaus policies, not  Trump, who is now  adding to it, because Trump knew we were weak and broke because of Trudeau's policies . There was a reason why Trump wanted carney to win. They are both about power and money, and they both would sell out thier mother's for it.

Funny you can't use Trump and id.io.t in the same sentence. Lol

[Politics1990]

20 minutes ago, PIK said:

What maple maga? He is a centrist. Funny how every con policy Its all maga now. Our problems with debt, crime, immigration is because if trudeaus policies, not  Trump, who is now  adding to it, because Trump knew we were weak and broke because of Trudeau's policies . There was a reason why Trump wanted carney to win. They are both about power and money, and they both would sell out thier mother's for it.

Funny you can't use Trump and id.io.t in the same sentence. Lol

lol if you think pp is a centrist you have fell and hit your head get out of here. and not all con policy is maga.  otoole was centrist . rona ambrose would be centrist  hell even michelle rempell  you could say is centrist-right wing but not maple maga bs that pp pushes

Edited December 12, 2025 by Politics1990

[PIK]

56 minutes ago, Politics1990 said:

lol if you think pp is a centrist you have fell and hit your head get out of here. and not all con policy is maga.  otoole was centrist . rona ambrose would be centrist  hell even michelle rempell  you could say is centrist-right wing but not maple maga bs that pp pushes

OK, what is so rightwing about PP? Wanting strong borders,  lowering the crime rates,  getting our resources to market, strong military not being a member of the global elite?  What bugs you so much?

[PIK]

Can't answer it, can you. PP has been under a relentless attack by the MSM, and after 20 Yrs, they found nothing, all they can do is make stuff up. And yet so many educated people keep falling for the same liberal BS  yr after yr. That's the saddest part.

Edited December 12, 2025 by PIK

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, PIK said:

OK, what is so rightwing about PP? Wanting strong borders,  lowering the crime rates,  getting our resources to market, strong military not being a member of the global elite?  What bugs you so much?

This is trash logic and implies that Poilievre's opponents want weak borders, higher crime rates and to prevent getting resources to the market. 

It also ignores the absurd amount of time and energy he's spent peddling conspiracy theories about the "global elite", endlessly screeching about culture-war bullshit, and squawking juvenile three-word slogans...just like the Orange Clown to the south.  

The fact that he continued doing all of the above during a campaign where anti-Trump sentiment became a central part of the election also shows how poor his judgment is.  

Not thank you.  Bye.  I said back in 2022 or whenever he was elected party leader that he was the Liberal's best chance of getting re-elected.  He did not disappoint, and he clearly continues to be a gift to the Liberal party.  

Edited December 12, 2025 by Moonbox

[Goddess]

22 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is trash logic and implies that Poilievre's opponents want weak borders, higher crime rates and to prevent getting resources to the market.

But that's exactly what they've spent the last 11 years doing.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, PIK said:

OK, what is so rightwing about PP? Wanting strong borders,  lowering the crime rates,  getting our resources to market, strong military not being a member of the global elite?  What bugs you so much?

What concerns me is that so many of PP's supporters are MAGA freaks...anti-vaxxers, anti-climate action, anti-science, MSM paranoiacs, space-lasers...the Freakers Ball that keeps spilling out from under the Big Tent.

The red meat and bones PP needs to throw out to keep these loons placated just drags everything down.

[Moonbox]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

But that's exactly what they've spent the last 11 years doing.

No, you're mistaking results for intent. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What concerns me is that so many of PP's supporters are MAGA freaks...anti-vaxxers, anti-climate action, anti-science, MSM paranoiacs, space-lasers...the Freakers Ball that keeps spilling out from under the Big Tent.

The red meat and bones PP needs to throw out to keep these loons placated just drags everything down.

You simply don't want to admit the economy under the Liberals in the past ten years is a disaster.  Young people cannot afford a home and the price of everything is rising out of sight.

"Simpson noted that the generational divide continues to deepen. Younger Canadians are dealing with realities that their parents and grandparents never faced: record prices for everything from groceries to homes, stagnant wage growth relative to inflation, and the perception that they are working harder for less."

BILD: Canadians want action on housing and they want it now

Most Canadians are not obsessed with non-issues like vax or anti-vax, climate action BS, and other nonsense.  They are concerned about the cost of living.  That is what the Conservatives are mainly concerned with.  Liberals created the mess in the economy and they are not going to be able to fix it.

 

[Goddess]

Not that it will matter to Liberals or their supporters, but Ma met with the Chinese ambassador to the US 3 days ago.

I know we're not allowed to ask any questions, but I can't help but wonder why a little known, brand new, lowly Canadian backbench MP would need to meet with the Chinese ambassador to the US.  And then he immediately switches to the Chinese-preferred Liberal party.

He was either a plant and this was planned or Beijing got their hooks into him.

His ties to China are flooding the media (not mainstream media, obviously.)

His riding is the one we already know was China-compromised - Joe Tay was running there and had to back off the candidacy due to threats from China and his opponent, Liberal Chaing, openly called for him to be kidnapped, taken to the Chinese embassy and turned in to the Chinese for the bounty.  He later said it "just a joke."

The Conservatives need to vet their candidates better.

 

[Goddess]

10 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

No, you're mistaking results for intent. 

No, I'm saying results are more important than intent, since intent can only be inferred.

"Sorry, I didn't MEAN to kill you" doesn't fly.

Intent matters, but results are what we all have to live with.

And I seriously doubt their intentions were good when they flood the country with immigrants with zero thought to housing, the economy, healthcare, the educational system, etc.

I assume you are arguing that they are just incredibly incompetent.

Why would you support utter incompetence just because you, personally, think they "meant well"?

How stupid are you?

(Rhetorical question, we can all see how stupid you are.)

Edited December 12, 2025 by Goddess

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

No, I'm saying results are more important than intent, since intent can only be inferred.

Agreed, but when the question is literally one of intent, then intent does matter. 

If you're asking what's wrong with Poilievre wanting to lower crime, or how that makes him right-wing, the implication is that his opponent doesn't, which is absurd.  

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not that it will matter to Liberals or their supporters, but Ma met with the Chinese ambassador to the US 3 days ago.

Do you have a credible source for this, or was this yet another thing you've scraped off your social media feed?  🤨

Edited December 12, 2025 by Moonbox

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

If you're asking what's wrong with Poilievre wanting to lower crime, or how that makes him right-wing, the implication is that his opponent doesn't, which is absurd.  

Are you saying that when the Libs introduced new, soft-on-crime legislation, they had no clue that crime would increase by lowering the consequences of crime?

Again, I dont' really care what the intent was.

The results of nearly every Liberal policy have been disastrous for Canada.

It's either intent to destroy Canada or utter and complete incompetence.

Neither of those scenarios sits well with a lot of us.

Odd, how happy you are with utter incompetence. 🤪

And a strong desire to keep the incompetence in power. 🙄

Edited December 12, 2025 by Goddess

[Moonbox]

4 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Are you saying that when the Libs introduced new, soft-on-crime legislation, they had no clue that crime would increase by lowering the consequences of crime?

I'm saying that they probably thought a focus on things beyond simple punishment (like reform and rehabilitation or underlying causes of crime) would yield better results.  

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Again, I dont' really care what the intent was.

Okay, but since we were talking about intent that seems pretty silly.  

11 minutes ago, Goddess said:

The results of nearly every Liberal policy have been disastrous for Canada.

It's either intent to destroy Canada or utter and complete incompetence.

Since intending to destroy Canada is a ridiculous notion in the first place, the second option makes more sense, doesn't it?  

24 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not that it will matter to Liberals or their supporters, but Ma met with the Chinese ambassador to the US 3 days ago.

In case you missed it the first time (I added it in as an edit), do you have a source for this beyond social media posts you scraped off your feed?  

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You simply don't want to admit the economy under the Liberals in the past ten years is a disaster.

The economy under the Liberals in the past ten years was a disaster.

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Most Canadians are not obsessed with non-issues like vax or anti-vax, climate action BS, and other nonsense.

Right-wing parties are just as obsessed with winning votes and so the non-issues of their supporters are afforded more importance than they deserve.

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm saying that they probably thought a focus on things beyond simple punishment (like reform and rehabilitation or underlying causes of crime) would yield better results. 

Hey, if you're happy and content with incompetence and think it's great for Canada, knock yourself out.

You do you, boo.

Just saying, I'm not.

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The economy under the Liberals in the past ten years was a disaster.

I have a great idea! 

Let's have MORE of that, amiright?

[Moonbox]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Hey, if you're happy and content with incompetence and think it's great for Canada, knock yourself out.

You do you, boo.

Just saying, I'm not.

Then maybe you could provide the citation I'm now asking a third time for this claim:

36 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Not that it will matter to Liberals or their supporters, but Ma met with the Chinese ambassador to the US 3 days ago.

Because if you can't, and this is just the latest in a long tradition of junk you've scraped off your social media feed,  immediately believed and then tried to share with us here, then you may not be the best judge of competence yourself.  🙃

[Shady]

Staffers are now resigning.  We are a clown show.

 

[Legato]

8 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Then maybe you could provide the citation I'm now asking a third time for this claim:

Because if you can't, and this is just the latest in a long tradition of junk you've scraped off your social media feed,  immediately believed and then tried to share with us here, then you may not be the best judge of competence yourself.  🙃

https://www.facebook.com/Canadavseverybody/posts/michael-ma-met-with-the-chinese-ambassador-just-3-days-agolast-night-he-was-danc/122146179332894185/

[Goddess]

I'm kind of at a point where, I hope there's a few more floor crossers over to the Liberals.

The last 11 years have been a disaster, imagine 4 more.

Let's just get on with the collapse of Canada.

Higher and higher spending, higher and higher taxes, strangle all the industry.  Give all our money to other countries, cricket factories that produce nothing, satellite companies that have no satellites, and corporations who flee to the US.

Let's just do it.