ExFlyer Posted January 10 Report Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Yes trade talks with the same people the liberals had said we need to diversify our trade away form China....His conservative voters won't forget his crossing....my money is on he'll lose that support, and the riding will stay conservative... Our very own country is in disarray....sure, she read the writing on the wall and knew her career was over....so she bailed...and why Ukraine offered a job is beyond me, she really is not all that a a bag of bread... As for me my loyalty has always been with Canada, it's the government that have followed the wrong paths which has lead us to this moment...Your pissed because you can't accept our reality... And yet it wasConservative PM Harper that had " " dealings with China centered on strengthening economic ties, most notably through the secretive signing and later ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) in 2012/2014, which protected Chinese investments in Canada but drew heavy criticism for locking Canada in for 31 years, allowing secret tribunals, and potentially limiting regulatory power. His government also signed other deals for trade, currency, uranium, and customs information sharing, while publicly raising human rights issues, though FIPA remained the most controversial "deal". 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
TreeBeard Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Your pissed because you can't accept our reality... 😂 I think you’re projecting. How am I pissed? I won’t be happy when the Libs get a majority. I prefer a minority. But I’m not pissed about it. 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: His conservative voters won't forget his crossing.... His Con voters voted Libs previously. It was a Lib riding before Ma won. So it’s not like it’s a Con stronghold. 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: Our very own country is in disarray.. You guys keep saying this. A bunch of chicken littles. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 (edited) 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: Yes trade talks with the same people the liberals had said we need to diversify our trade away form China....His conservative voters won't forget his crossing....my money is on he'll lose that support, and the riding will stay conservative... It is extremely rare for a floor Crosser not to be tossed in the next election. I suspect he's been offered a juicy position and when he's done with politics after the next election he'll be appointed as a consultant or some such similar thing.. 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: And yet it wasConservative PM Harper that had " " dealings with China centered on strengthening economic ties, most notably through the secretive signing and later ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) in 2012/2014, Yeah, the Chinese were kind of scared of harper. He backed him down a couple times. But this is almost 15 years later and things have changed. We've discovered the meddling more and more in our governments, they are becoming more and more aggressive, and they had absolutely no fear or respect of little potato. conservatives held that crap together but the liberals don't and after the last 10 years of the Chinese pushing liberals around it's very dangerous to snuggle up too much Edited January 11 by CdnFox 2 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 12 hours ago, CdnFox said: ..... Yeah, the Chinese were kind of scared of harper. He backed him down a couple times. But this is almost 15 years later .... conservatives held that crap together but the liberals don't and after the last 10 years of the Chinese pushing liberals around it's very dangerous to snuggle up too much Yeah, it has been 15 years since Harper made the deal with China and thanks to Harper...there are at least 16 more years to go with that deal. The Chinese were not scared of Harper nor Trudeau because they had a great deal given to them by Harper. "The Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA), signed by the Harper government in 2012 and ratified in 2014, binds Canada for a minimum of 31 years, locking in terms until at least 2045, with an option to extend for another 15 years, making it a long-term, potentially controversial commitment with significant investor-state dispute resolution clauses" Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 5 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Yeah, it has been 15 years since Harper made the deal with China and thanks to Harper...there are at least 16 more years to go with that deal. We can back out of the deal at any time. That was discussed largely from the deal was made. We're not locked in. So we're for in the deal at this point and we haven't backed out that is the responsibility of the government of the last 11 years. Who was that again? Is that harper? Quote The Chinese were not scared of Harper nor Trudeau because they had a great deal given to them by Harper. They were scared of harper. Harper got away with a hell of a lot, he said Taiwan shouldn't necessarily be part of china and welcome their diplomats, he had the Dalai Lama over and officially recognized him, and you didn't see any of the trade war bull crap. They did not screw with harper They did screw with Trudeau pretty constantly. I think it was like 6 weeks before they decided to call him little potato? LOL That's really not a nickname you give someone you respect 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Moonlight Graham Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 Voters should decide whether a party gets a majority, not shady backroom deals whose terms the voters have no knowledge of and go against the will of the voters from the previous election. Those who disagree care more about power than democracy. 1 Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Army Guy Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 18 hours ago, TreeBeard said: 😂 I think you’re projecting. How am I pissed? I won’t be happy when the Libs get a majority. I prefer a minority. But I’m not pissed about it. His Con voters voted Libs previously. It was a Lib riding before Ma won. So it’s not like it’s a Con stronghold. You guys keep saying this. A bunch of chicken littles. There won't be any majority...unless it is conservative...NDP is clawing back it's voters, Carney is losing his support.. You don't know that ? how the people voted...one does not normally vote conservative then switch to liberal....unless they fell for Carneys lies... I would suspect you head is in the sand, take a quick look around and tell me our country is healthy, and everything is working like it should...or better yet tell us what is working ? it would be a much shorter list....the sky is not falling it is already hit the ground... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 21 hours ago, ExFlyer said: And yet it wasConservative PM Harper that had " " dealings with China centered on strengthening economic ties, most notably through the secretive signing and later ratification of the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) in 2012/2014, which protected Chinese investments in Canada but drew heavy criticism for locking Canada in for 31 years, allowing secret tribunals, and potentially limiting regulatory power. His government also signed other deals for trade, currency, uranium, and customs information sharing, while publicly raising human rights issues, though FIPA remained the most controversial "deal". How does this speak to TRADE, this is about investments made by both countries , and has nothing to do with trade like Canola seeds,, oil etc.... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted January 11 Report Posted January 11 5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said: Voters should decide whether a party gets a majority, not shady backroom deals whose terms the voters have no knowledge of and go against the will of the voters from the previous election. Those who disagree care more about power than democracy. What are you gonna do eh? Oh well, maybe a little emphasis on the x on your ballot next time will make everything right as rain. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 4 hours ago, eyeball said: What are you gonna do eh? Oh well, maybe a little emphasis on the x on your ballot next time will make everything right as rain. Oh look who's out trashing the idea of democracy again. Shock. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Oh look who's out trashing the idea of democracy again. Shock. I figured you'd be more shocked I just suggested adding more weight to that all important x. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I figured you'd be more shocked I just suggested adding more weight to that all important x. Act that you hate democracy is never going to be a shock to me. You made it quite clear that you think the liberals should just be in power forever and should never be challenged and anything they do wrong is a result of previous governments. That never changes 1 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 17 hours ago, Army Guy said: How does this speak to TRADE, this is about investments made by both countries , and has nothing to do with trade like Canola seeds,, oil etc.... Foreign investment is trade... they invest and buy....buy Canadian companies in particular. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
John Stone Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 I think China can look forward to some concession on the 100 percent (gasp) surtax on Chinese E.V. What else would matter so much to China ................. finger in the U.S. eye. There's David and Goliath ................ in comparison Canada is David's water boy. At this time the ChiCom has Canada by the nutz re energy, lumber, minerals, agriculture. Carney will likely concede defeat to the Chinese and claim victory to Canadians. Quote
Legato Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Foreign investment is trade... they invest and buy....buy Canadian companies in particular. Unfortunately investment is down. Net Capital Outflows: The total flow of capital has resulted in a net outflow, reaching nearly $62 billion in the year to September 2025, a stark reversal from the prior year's inflow. This is driven by both foreigners reducing their holdings of Canadian assets and Canadians increasing their investments abroad. Quote
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Foreign investment is trade... they invest and buy....buy Canadian companies in particular. Foreign investment is not trade. It's investment. Trade is something different. As a country we need to definitely attract far more investment and we also need to expand our trade opportunities but they are two very very different things Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 24 minutes ago, Legato said: Unfortunately investment is down. Net Capital Outflows: The total flow of capital has resulted in a net outflow, reaching nearly $62 billion in the year to September 2025, a stark reversal from the prior year's inflow. This is driven by both foreigners reducing their holdings of Canadian assets and Canadians increasing their investments abroad. I agree somewhat but, sitting on your hands, complaining and unable to know what is going on because you are not cleared to get information does Canada no good. At least Carney is travelling the world and talking about and discussing Canada with other nations to try and get investment back into Canada. It is not like walking into Walmart and walking out with product... international deals take time for old deals to expire and new ones to begin. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Just now, ExFlyer said: At least Carney is travelling the world and talking about and discussing Canada with other nations to try and get investment back into Canada. There's not much indication that that's what he's actually doing. He's been doing that for almost a year now and he has brought home no new investment, no new trade deals, nothing of any value. To be honest if feels more like he's promoting his own personal brand to other countries rather than bringing home any benefits for Canadians Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Just now, CdnFox said: Foreign investment is not trade. It's investment. Trade is something different. As a country we need to definitely attract far more investment and we also need to expand our trade opportunities but they are two very very different things And that is why Carney travels the world to discuss opportunities with other nations. Investments = trade but it takes time to get both. Other nations are not like a store where you walk in and pay and walk out with a deal...deals take time to evolve. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
ExFlyer Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Just now, CdnFox said: There's not much indication that that's what he's actually doing. He's been doing that for almost a year now and he has brought home no new investment, no new trade deals, nothing of any value. To be honest if feels more like he's promoting his own personal brand to other countries rather than bringing home any benefits for Canadians Clearly you do not pay attention. He has made great strides in dealings with other nations. Benefits for Canadians will occur as existing deals expire... Your bias obviously filters real activity. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 Just now, ExFlyer said: And that is why Carney travels the world to discuss opportunities with other nations. I don't really think that's why he does it. And it's not likely to produce anything. And in fact it hasn't produced anything despite the fact he's been doing that for almost a year. Investment in Canada is still at an all-time low and in fact we're bleeding investment money at this time. The Venezuela situation isn't going to make it any better, nobody was interested in building a pipeline before with the regulations in place and they sure as hell aren't going to be now. Nor have we got any new trade deals. Quote Investments = trade That's like saying tennis equals golf. It's just not true. On a very high level they're both econmic topics but they have no relation to each other directly. We can attract investment without increasing trade, and for the most part we can increase trade without additional investment Which would be an exercise in semantics but for the fact that they require completely different actions and efforts to secure and promote. Quote but it takes time to get both. Other nations are not like a store where you walk in and pay and walk out with a deal...deals take time to evolve. Nonsense. If he'd dropped the tanker ban and anti pipeline bill the moment he got in we'd be looking at getting our first proposals right now. Instead investment went elsewhere If he'd cut spending and business tax and signaled that canada was open for business he'd have stopped capital fleeing the country. At his current rate of success we will still be severely underperforming economically and sinking in world standing 3 years from now. Not only are things not getting better, they're getting worse. Generally speaking governments attract investment by making changes to regulation and taxation that make it worthwhile for businesses to come and spend money. And that isn't happening at all You can sometimes create trade opportunity with high level government to government discussions but the reality is the work is actually done behind the scenes by bureaucrats and Business Leaders. Not by flying around and spending taxpayer money on lavish dinners generally speaking Harper did more trade deals than any prime minister in living memory and he did the vast majority of them without leaving Canada. He did go on a few international trips but for the most part they were to create hype in those countries for deals that had already been negotiated. If what he's doing worked, by this point we'd be seeing results and we're just not 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
CdnFox Posted January 12 Report Posted January 12 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Clearly you do not pay attention. He has made great strides in dealings with other nations. Like what. Which country are we now doing more trade with than we were? What new trade deals has he actually brought home? Investment is fleeing the country at record rates, where's all this investment? He hasn't made any strides Quote Benefits for Canadians will occur as existing deals expire... That's only true if he signed new deals. Which new deals has he signed? Quote Your bias obviously filters real activity. Then show me the real activity. What deal has he signed? What trade has increased? Where is this investment money? If what you were saying was true there would be tangible things you could throw in my face and say here's a trade deal where we are now going to make more money trading blah blah blah to these people. We have absolutely nothing in the way of new trade deals and there's no new investment. Where's this magical hidden benefit? 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
Army Guy Posted January 13 Report Posted January 13 On 1/11/2026 at 4:16 PM, Army Guy said: 10 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Foreign investment is trade... they invest and buy....buy Canadian companies in particular. It is not the same the agreement you provided is for investment only has nothing to do with trade....which is why China has tariffs on some of our products, as TRADE is not covered under that agreement...I mentioned trade specifically and you replied with investment agreements that harper signed...Not the same thing... https://moneyprofitpro.com/what-is-the-difference-between-foreign-trade-and-investment/ Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
SpankyMcFarland Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 There’s a time for partisan debate and a time to put aside those differences and work for the country. This is such a time. We’ve not been under such an existential threat in living memory, certainly not from an ally. Poilievre would be better off at least pretending he’s working with Carney at the moment against Trump, if only to improve his personal numbers. 1 Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
CdnFox Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: There’s a time for partisan debate and a time to put aside those differences and work for the country. This is such a time. We’ve not been under such an existential threat in living memory, certainly not from an ally. Poilievre would be better off at least pretending he’s working with Carney at the moment against Trump, if only to improve his personal numbers. Complete bullshit. That's the kind of nonsense that liberal spout to try and silence every opinion other than themselves. You think it's time to come together? Great cancel all carbon taxes. Get rid of the anti Pipeline and tanker laws and let's build actual pipelines. And how about maybe pass the very reasonable law that the conservatives put forward with regards to bail reform No? Suddenly you don't want to cooperate? Suddenly it's not time to come together? It's amazing how quickly your principles go down the toilet when it's not serving your particular agenda 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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