Will God punish Canada and those nations who are trying to divide Israel into two nations?

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Your unjust full support for Israel is not acceptable when they are so oppressive against defenseless women and children in Gaza though I see Hamas more at fault but you also called West bank and Gaza as part of Israel bringing in God to punish Canada for what you called wrong action for recognizing Palestinian State. This dreadful war and hate will not end unless both sides have a peaceful land to live without being bombed everyday.

Do you think that recognizing a terrorist state will end that war ? So what does all this hoopla from the UN going to solve....it is not going to end this war, it is not going to make Hamas lay down their arms, it is not going to make Palestinians pick some form of government that is not a terrorist group or origins...

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I guess in your books two wrongs make it right, right?

But I was more referring to mass killing of defenseless civilian in Gaza by Israeli army and blockage of food and aid to entrapped civilians for which blackbird is using God to defend those actions.

I think Palestinians people need to step up and own the fact that Hamas is responsible for the last massive terrorist attack that has brought this war on the its people, you can only poke the bear so often before you get eaten.......The fact Palestinians have done nothing in the way to stop these terrorists is telling.... Israel has every right to defend itself against these terrorist, and Hamas has demonstrated over and over again it will continue to do so until it is destroyed....and that is what is happening right now...and instead of thanking Israel , most of the globe is condemning them...if there was ever a bias organization it is the UN...that has out lived it's usefulness, in every way...all it does is gives dictators a voice...today it gave terrorist a voice nothing more...

The fact that so many UN country's have acknowledged the terrorist Palestine as a state is disgusting , and only emboldens them to continue their war against Israel.... 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

I think you must know the truth is the Arabs or Palestinians will not recognize Israel and will continue to want to eliminate Israel.  You also have the terrorist groups in Lebanon, Iran, and other places.  Do you seriously think they will stop fighting against Israel?

At some point they will realize that they cannot win against Israel (and that only happens after Islamic Republic regime is removed by all available means which is their only hope) but I agree the Arabs are a fault but this does not justify the killing of defenseless civilians in Gaza by Israel or the bad treatment of civilians in that area. Israeli settlers in particular are the most aggressive and the law does not apply to them.

[CITIZEN_2015]

41 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Would you say Israel should do nothing and wait until Hamas comes into Israel again and kills 1,200 people and takes 250 hostages again or worse?

No Israel must totally exterminate Hamas in an organized effective way with minimum casualties on civilians like how they did it in Iran last June. They specifically targeted the hated regime in Iran. Many commanders and regime soldiers went to hell but few civilians killed because they knew Iranians are fiercely pro-Israel but not so in Gaza because they know the people there hate Israel.

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Do you think that recognizing a terrorist state will end that war ? So what does all this hoopla from the UN going to solve....it is not going to end this war, it is not going to make Hamas lay down their arms, it is not going to make Palestinians pick some form of government that is not a terrorist group or origins...

I am hoping that moderate Abbas form the Palestinian government and by then Hamas is eliminated by Israel.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No Israel must totally exterminate Hamas in an organized effective way with minimum casualties on civilians like how they did it in Iran last June. They specifically targeted the hated regime in Iran. Many commanders and regime soldiers went to hell but few civilians killed because they knew Iranians are fiercely pro-Israel but not so in Gaza because they know the people there hate Israel.

I am hoping that moderate Abbas form the Palestinian government and by then Hamas is eliminated by Israel.

How does any army destroy an organization that hides among the people....without killing civilians...through out history Civilians have always paid the highest price in any war....why does this one have to be different...because it is Israel. Where was the globes disgust when we were in Afghanistan or Iraq...where was the UN and all their efforts to under mine the coalition...It seems like a double standard here...it also seems like the globe has taken a side , and it stands with terrorist...not Israel that is defending itself.

 

[carepov]

8 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I guess in your books two wrongs make it right, right?

No two wrongs do not make it right.  Just pointing out that it is arguable that there is no "illegal occupation".  Legal ownership of the Westbank and Gaza is disputed.

Other related points:

Why wasn't a Palestinian state established on all Arab land controlled between 1948-1967?

Why is it that the country of Israel has a 20% Arab minority while any Palestinian/Arab state must be cleansed of all Jews?

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

But I was more referring to mass killing of defenseless civilian in Gaza by Israeli army and blockage of food and aid to entrapped civilians for which blackbird is using God to defend those actions.

The first casualty of war is truth.  Here's what I beleive:

The mass killing is an unfortunate result of war.  The responsibility is with Hamas and their supporters.  They started this war and they have the ability to end it.  In addition civilian casualties could have been reduced significantly if people would be allowed to shelter in tunnels (like Ukrainians in their metro) or to relocate temporatily to Egypt.

There is/was no famine in Gaza (unlike Sudan and Yemen).  The hunger and suffering is again at the hands of Hamas.  Israel has a moral obligation to help feed civilians, unlike any other war that I think of, Israel has met this obligation.

Unfortunately by symbolically recognizing the state of Palestine, Canada is prolonging the war and suffering.

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm not sure why you would say that.  Can you explain?

I did.

 

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

Do you believe in the existence of God?

No.

[paxamericana]

Leave god out of this @blackbird. Scripture asks us to love our enemy, no easy task.

 

 

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Leave god out of this @blackbird. Scripture asks us to love our enemy, no easy task.

 

 

 That is a contradiction.  You are telling me not to talk about God while you yourself quote what God said in the 3rd commandment. That is a real contradiction and makes no sense.   You're saying it is ok for you to quote the 3rd commandment but I should not mention God.   

In actual fact, I don't take God's name in vain.  You don't seem to understand what the 3rd commandment means either and therefore you are misusing it here.

 

Edited September 24, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

I did.

 

No.

OK, you answered the question.   You say you do not believe in God.

That is your choice.  The problem is if one does not believe in God then there are many things that cannot be explained.  The first one being where did the complex universe and all the creatures and mankind come from?  Maybe you know that even a relatively basic cell has long chains of DNA (or intelligence) built into it that could not have just appeared out of the blue.  Someone had to have designed that and created it.  Just a thought.

Secondly, what is the reason why mankind exists?  If there is no God, then life must have no meaning.  We are all just accidents of the cosmos.  Here now and gone tomorrow.  What a pointless existence that would be don't you think?

 

 

Edited September 24, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

On 9/23/2025 at 6:40 AM, Barquentine said:

Great con job. Why is it ok for us to take your land? Because God said so! Great scam cooked up by some political thinktank.

No, it is no scam by any political thinktank.  That is your personal claim you just pulled out of thin air.

It is written in the book of Genesis which is the first book of the Bible.  Genesis states clearly as I quoted above that God gave that land to Abraham and all his descendants after him of the Jewish race.  That was done several thousand years ago.  The history of Israel is a well known established fact.  It is described in the Old Testament of the Bible.  

The credibility of the Bible itself seems to be what you don't accept.  Am I correct in saying you never studied it either?

The validity of the Bible is verified by the miraculous events that took place and witnessed by eye witnesses.  A prime example is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.  The gospels in the New Testament gives accounts of that.  Many people saw Him after he was risen from the dead.  That means what He said on earth is perfectly believable and he recognized the Old Testament as true.  It means Jesus is indeed the Son of God as he said.  He is God along with the Father and Holy Spirit.

Perhaps you need to do a little studying of the Bible.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, paxamericana said:

Leave god out of this @blackbird. Scripture asks us to love our enemy, no easy task.

 

 

What about the 11th commandment?

[CITIZEN_2015]

17 hours ago, Army Guy said:

How does any army destroy an organization that hides among the people....without killing civilians...through out history Civilians have always paid the highest price in any war....why does this one have to be different...because it is Israel. Where was the globes disgust when we were in Afghanistan or Iraq...where was the UN and all their efforts to under mine the coalition...It seems like a double standard here...it also seems like the globe has taken a side , and it stands with terrorist...not Israel that is defending itself.

 

In Afghanistan and Europe US army killed some civilians accidently but in Gaza the Israelis know it is a school with children in it or a hospital with sick and elderly or civilians taking refuge but still bomb it because intelligence tell them that Hamas fighters are hiding among civilians.

[paxamericana]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

real contradiction and makes no sense

No, using God's name in vain is forbidden. It is a political problem not a spiritual one. God does not Punish Canada for supporting terrorist as your post suggest. That is a worldly problem that does not need to involve god. So once again, leave god out of this. As an example, asking for spiritual guidance from god through prayer is wise. Asking god to smite people who disagree with you is using the lord's name in vain.  

Edited September 24, 2025 by paxamericana

[blackbird]

30 minutes ago, paxamericana said:

No, using God's name in vain is forbidden. It is a political problem not a spiritual one. God does not Punish Canada for supporting terrorist as your post suggest. That is a worldly problem that does not need to involve god. So once again, leave god out of this. As an example, asking for spiritual guidance from god through prayer is wise. Asking god to smite people who disagree with you is using the lord's name in vain.  

That is entirely unbiblical.  You can't leave God out of anything. 

"11  And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. "  Isaiah 13:11 KJV

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, carepov said:

No two wrongs do not make it right. 

The first casualty of war is truth.

Unfortunately by symbolically recognizing the state of Palestine, Canada is prolonging the war and suffering.

A casualty of peace.

A broken omelette.

The truth nonetheless.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

That is entirely unbiblical.  You can't leave God out of anything. 

"11  And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. "  Isaiah 13:11 KJV

Cesar can and God commands us to do what Cesar says. In any case I don't see Canada waving a Bible around do you? 

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

In Afghanistan and Europe US army killed some civilians accidently but in Gaza the Israelis know it is a school with children in it or a hospital with sick and elderly or civilians taking refuge but still bomb it because intelligence tell them that Hamas fighters are hiding among civilians.

Well if we include terrorist killed in battle as does Palestinian authority...99,000 Afghanistan civilians had been killed...i guessing that is a lot more than a some....Insurgent warfare is extremely hard to tell the bad guy from civilian population as they all look the same, no uniforms, no markings or arm bands, any one with a weapon was a target...did i mention the civilian population hunt with AK 47...And i'm sure the numbers are way higher...when we use to do bomb damage assessments after an air strike, well lets say there is not much left to any target when it has been hit with 500, 1000, 2000 lb bombs.... so it is hard to do an accurate BDA if all you have is small fragments of what was once a human...we would count rubber sandals for a rough number...

The Geneva convention spells all of that out for you...In it it lists a small bunch of places, people, and things that can not be engaged or targeted by military forces...it also spells out that the enemy in this case Hamas can not use those places to hide in or use for any military purposes....and if they do those people, places, or things lose their special status, and Can be engaged if "necessary" depending on the target or priority of that target....... and Hamas is a terrorist network and does not have to obey anything written in the conventions....it is also not covered by the protections of the conventions...meaning that Hamas individuals prisoners of war only have to be handle humanely...feed and shelter as any Israelis soldier is...Israelis soldiers are covered under the protections of the convention, and have to abide by all of them....including not using or hiding in protected areas, etc....

The conventions can be confusing, Im not a convention expert or/ inter national law expert on the rules of war but i am very familiar with all of the polices and Canadian laws that each soldier needs to be familiar with before being deployed...  

This is one of the problems and why Palestinian propaganda is so good, they count on the citizens of the world to be completely uneducated on the convention and play with you emotions and heart strings... 

[Army Guy]

34 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Cesar can and God commands us to do what Cesar says. In any case I don't see Canada waving a Bible around do you? 

Hard to see anything from the basement...and that would depend on what Cesar your referring...Cesar said APE does not kill APE....no reference to god at all 

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Hard to see anything from the basement...and that would depend on what Cesar your referring...Cesar said APE does not kill APE....no reference to god at all 

I'm up on my deck...obviously the same Cesar blackbird selectively renders unto...references to God can always be implied when BB is talking about anything.

[cannuck]

On 9/22/2025 at 5:15 PM, TreeBeard said:

How will God punish Canada?  Why would He?

Matthew 22:21 "Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

My God you miss the obvious!!!!!!  He inflicted the Little Turd and the Drivel Party on Canada as the worst punishment imaginable.

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

Perhaps you need to do a little studying of the Bible.

I'll bet I know the bible as well or better than you, from many years of church attendance to literary study of in in university. Here's a surprise for you: It was written by humans and a lot of it plagiarized from earlier texts. Not the Word of God - the Word of Man!

[Barquentine]

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

Secondly, what is the reason why mankind exists?  If there is no God, then life must have no meaning.  We are all just accidents of the cosmos.  Here now and gone tomorrow.  What a pointless existence that would be don't you think?

Exactly. No one knows. That's why they've been making up Gods since they could think.

 

20 hours ago, blackbird said:

The problem is if one does not believe in God then there are many things that cannot be explained.

The problem is if one DOES believe in God then there are many things that cannot be explained.

[carepov]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

A casualty of peace.

A broken omelette.

The truth nonetheless.

Roses are red,

Violets are blue,

The world is f*ucked,

So let's blame a jew.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, carepov said:

The world is f*ucked,

So let's blame a jew.

Why? It's the worlds fault.