Will God punish Canada and those nations who are trying to divide Israel into two nations?

[Nationalist]

On 9/22/2025 at 5:24 PM, blackbird said:

PM Carney announced they are recognizing a state of Palestine which is actually part of Israel.  That is the West Bank and possibly Gaza.  This would effectively cut Israel in approximately half and greatly weaken its ability to defend itself.  There never was such a state called Palestine although this is disputed by some groups?

The question is will God punish Canada or the government of Canada and the other countries who are doing the same thing, including the U.N.?

The Bible makes it clear God gave the land of Israel to them in perpetuity.  God said this to Abraham:

"7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."  Genesis 17:7 KJV.

Therefore when nations go against this and try to take parts of it away from Israel, will God punish those nations or people at some point for attempting to do so.  There is lots of prophecy in the Bible about coming future events.  But the past history in the Bible does show God did punish the enemies of Israel.

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Old Testament Context

In the Old Testament, God's judgment on Israel's enemies is frequently depicted in the historical narratives, prophetic literature, and poetic writings. The Pentateuch, particularly in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy, sets the stage for understanding God's protective and retributive actions. For instance, in Exodus 14:13-14, Moses assures the Israelites of God's deliverance from the Egyptians: "Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the LORD’s salvation, which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still."

The conquest narratives in the book of Joshua further illustrate God's judgment on the Canaanite nations, fulfilling His promise to give the land to the descendants of Abraham. Joshua 10:42 states, "Joshua conquered all these kings and their land in one campaign, because the LORD, the God of Israel, fought for Israel."

The prophetic books often pronounce oracles of judgment against the nations surrounding Israel. The book of Isaiah, for example, contains numerous prophecies against nations such as Babylon, Assyria, Moab, and Edom. Isaiah 13:11 declares, "I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity; I will end the arrogance of the proud and humble the pride of the ruthless."

Similarly, the book of Ezekiel contains prophecies against Tyre, Egypt, and other nations, emphasizing God's sovereignty over all nations and His ultimate plan for justice. Ezekiel 25:17 states, "I will execute great vengeance on them with furious reproof. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I lay My vengeance upon them."

New Testament Perspective

In the New Testament, the theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is expanded to include spiritual dimensions. The ultimate enemy, Satan, and the forces of evil are depicted as being defeated through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:15 proclaims, "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

The book of Revelation provides a vivid apocalyptic vision of God's final judgment upon the enemies of His people. Revelation 19:11-16 describes Christ as the victorious warrior: "Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war."

Theological Implications

The judgment on Israel's enemies underscores several key theological themes. Firstly, it affirms God's faithfulness to His covenant promises. Throughout the biblical narrative, God acts to protect and vindicate His people, demonstrating His unwavering commitment to them.

Secondly, it highlights God's justice and righteousness. The judgment of the nations serves as a reminder that God holds all people accountable for their actions and that His justice will ultimately prevail.

Lastly, it points to the eschatological hope of God's ultimate victory over evil. The Scriptures assure believers that, in the end, God will establish His kingdom in fullness, where righteousness and peace will reign eternally.

Conclusion

The biblical theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is a testament to God's sovereign power, His covenantal faithfulness, and His ultimate plan for justice and redemption. Through these judgments, God reveals His character and His purposes, offering hope and assurance to His people throughout history.

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Topical Bible: Judgment on Israel's Enemies

 

Im sure glad your opinion is that of a whacko minority.

Any Gawd that would punish humanity over a squabble between Semites, will find itself burning in the end.

[blackbird]

One way God could punish Canada for its official anti-Semitic two-state solution for Israel is by ending Confederation.  The federal government in its arrogance appears to be heading in that direction by attacking Quebec's right to use the Not Withstanding Clause.  Ottawa is planning to go to Supreme Court and challenge Quebec's right to use the Not Withstanding clause to protect Bill C21 which bans religious symbols in all government jobs.

If the Supreme Court rules in the federal government's favour, this could lead to a successful separation referendum before 2030, which could spell the end of Confederation.  There is a chance the Party Quebecois will win the next election in Quebec in 2026 and they would likely hold a referendum before 2030 on separation based on the loss of the Not Withstanding Clause and C21 in Quebec, if the federal government wins that demand at Supreme Court.  The federal government's arrogance in pursuing that issue may spell the end of Canada.  It seems the federal government believes there are no limits as to what they can do.  

Then there are the anti Alberta, anti energy industry laws such as the tanker ban, the energy industry emission caps, and the industrial carbon taxes, and the no more pipeline laws from C69.  There is much opposition to the federal government's intrusion into provincial rights in Canada.

Ryan Alford: Confederation may not survive Sean Fraser’s latest folly at the Supreme Court

 

 

 

Edited October 6, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Im sure glad your opinion is that of a whacko minority.

Any Gawd that would punish humanity over a squabble between Semites, will find itself burning in the end.

The point is not in the conflicts between Israel and Arabs.  The point in the OP is the Canadian government's anti-Semitism in announcing to the world they recognize a state called Palestine.  Ottawa has recklessly dived into the middle east politics in a way that disrespects Israel's sovereignty and increases anti-Semitism in the world.  Israel's right to exist as a nation is enshrined in the Holy Bible.  The federal government has no business interfering with that in any way.

[Nationalist]

19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The point is not in the conflicts between Israel and Arabs.  The point in the OP is the Canadian government's anti-Semitism in announcing to the world they recognize a state called Palestine.  Ottawa has recklessly dived into the middle east politics in a way that disrespects Israel's sovereignty and increases anti-Semitism in the world.  Israel's right to exist as a nation is enshrined in the Holy Bible.  The federal government has no business interfering with that in any way.

The Holy Bible...is a book written by men who have no business assuming they even understand Gawd.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The point is not in the conflicts between Israel and Arabs.  The point in the OP is the Canadian government's anti-Semitism in announcing to the world they recognize a state called Palestine.  Ottawa has recklessly dived into the middle east politics in a way that disrespects Israel's sovereignty and increases anti-Semitism in the world.  Israel's right to exist as a nation is enshrined in the Holy Bible.  The federal government has no business interfering with that in any way.

"When people get caught up in a cult, they can no longer distinguish truth from falsehood, nor good from evil—and you're a prime example of that. You should see a psychologist to get deprogrammed."

[blackbird]

36 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

The Holy Bible...is a book written by men who have no business assuming they even understand Gawd.

Millions of people have believed that the Holy Bible was written by men inspired by God for hundreds and thousands of years.  Atheism or agnosticism is a meaningless dead end.  Thankfully God gave us the Holy Bible, his written revelation, that tells us we are born with a corrupt, wicked heart and need to be born again.  

You need to heed the warnings in the Bible while you still have time.

"4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. " Psalm 1:4 KJV

"2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)  2 Corinthians 6:2  KJV

Yes, now is the time to read the King James Bible, especially the New Testament gospel of John and be ye saved while there is still time.  God is merciful and willing to forgive and forget if you will become one of his sons.  You need to read and believe the word of God which is able to give you faith in Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead.

"12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13  Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14  Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16  Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."  Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV

[cougar]

On 10/1/2025 at 12:08 PM, blackbird said:

That is false.  Israel possessed the land thousands of years ago and fought for it at different times in history.   The Romans drove them out about 2,000 years ago and some lived there over the centuries.  Then Muslims invaded and took control for a period of time until they were defeated.  It is complex and you need to get educated.  Many Jews returned to what is their land in the 20th century and declared their state of Israel in 1948.   Are you another anti-Semite?

Israel was not there thousands of years ago!  There was no word "Israel" in their vocabulary!

You are full of s-t as always.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel#:~:text=On May 14%2C 1948%2C David,nation on the same day.

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

"When people get caught up in a cult, they can no longer distinguish truth from falsehood, nor good from evil—and you're a prime example of that. You should see a psychologist to get deprogrammed."

You must be speaking about yourself bud.  Your comments endless nonsense.  Tell us how you are going to get to heaven and on what basis?

[Nationalist]

11 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Millions of people have believed that the Holy Bible was written by men inspired by God for hundreds and thousands of years.  Atheism or agnosticism is a meaningless dead end.  Thankfully God gave us the Holy Bible, his written revelation, that tells us we are born with a corrupt, wicked heart and need to be born again.  

You need to heed the warnings in the Bible while you still have time.

"4  The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5  Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6  For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. " Psalm 1:4 KJV

"2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)  2 Corinthians 6:2  KJV

Yes, now is the time to read the King James Bible, especially the New Testament gospel of John and be ye saved while there is still time.  God is merciful and willing to forgive and forget if you will become one of his sons.  You need to read and believe the word of God which is able to give you faith in Jesus Christ who was raised from the dead.

"12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13  Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14  Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16  Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need."  Hebrews 4:12-16 KJV

You assume way too much.

I have no problem believing in a "Gawd"...or even "Gawds".

I just dont believe man is capable of comprehending such a being and shouldn't be assuming they know the intent of such a being.

[Gaétan]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You must be speaking about yourself bud.  Your comments endless nonsense.  Tell us how you are going to get to heaven and on what basis?

Moïse and Jesus told you, to go to heaven you must love your neighbour as yourself:

Luke 10:25–37 (NIV)

25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 “What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?” 27 He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.” 29 But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” 30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’ 36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” 37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

The good samaritan loved his neighbour as himself.

Matthew 7:12 (New International Version)

In other words ''love your neighbour as yourself means''

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

 

 

Edited October 6, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

35 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

In other words ''love your neighbour as yourself means''

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

Yes, that applies in certain situations, but not in the many things you claim on the forum.

Are you going to heaven and on what basis?  Can you explain?

[Gaétan]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

Yes, that applies in certain situations, but not in the many things you claim on the forum.

Are you going to heaven and on what basis?  Can you explain?

Jesus says here: 

Matthew 7:12 (New International Version)

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

[blackbird]

46 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Jesus says here: 

Matthew 7:12 (New International Version)

"So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."

That verse doesn't normally apply on a forum where you are debating things with others.  Everyone has different opinions which mean often people disagree with others.  That is perfectly normal.  That verse has nothing to do with debate on a forum.  You can't seem to understand that.  You are also using a very corrupt version of the Bible.   Google NIV perversion and read the articles.

Why are you ignoring the vital question I asked?  

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

That verse doesn't normally apply on a forum where you are debating things with others.  Everyone has different opinions which mean often people disagree with others.  That is perfectly normal.  That verse has nothing to do with debate on a forum.  You can't seem to understand that.  You are also using a very corrupt version of the Bible.   Google NIV perversion and read the articles.

Why are you ignoring the vital question I asked?  

You speak of justice, yet your words echo the foolishness of false prophets. You bind others with laws you will not bear for yourself. These are not the ways of righteousness, but the ways of darkness.”

"You impose rules on others that you would never apply to yourself. You want Palestinians to yield to Israel, but if you were Palestinian, you'd say the opposite. You enforce standards on others that you wouldn't accept for yourself—don’t you see that this makes you unjust? You want criminals to spend more time in prison, but you wouldn’t want that rule applied to you. That’s the way the devil thinks."

Edited October 6, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

You speak of justice, yet your words echo the foolishness of false prophets. You bind others with laws you will not bear for yourself. These are not the ways of righteousness, but the ways of darkness.”

"You impose rules on others that you would never apply to yourself. You want Palestinians to yield to Israel, but if you were Palestinian, you'd say the opposite. You enforce standards on others that you wouldn't accept for yourself—don’t you see that this makes you unjust? You want criminals to spend more time in prison, but you wouldn’t want that rule applied to you. That’s the way the devil thinks."

No, you have it wrong.  The Bible says the rulers bear the sword not in vain for evil doers in Romans ch13.  Punishing criminals is Biblical.  What is your problem?  Are you going to heaven?  

Edited October 6, 2025 by blackbird

[Gaétan]

18 minutes ago, blackbird said:

No, you have it wrong.  The Bible says the rulers bear the sword not in vain for evil doers in Romans ch13.  Punishing criminals is Biblical.  What is your problem?  Are you going to heaven?  

You follow the devil because you impose a different rule to others than to you. "Take the example of the Jews who wanted to stone the adulterous woman—did they want to be punished for their own sins? They applied a different rule to her than to themselves."

Edited October 6, 2025 by Gaétan

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You follow the devil because you impose a different rule to others than to you.

False.  I am talking about punishing criminals.  You are against that and say I impose a different rule on others than on myself.  I am not a criminal and not committing crime, so how can I be imposing a different rule?  You haven't explained that.

Again, are you going to heaven?  If so, on what basis?

[Gaétan]

7 minutes ago, blackbird said:

False.  I am talking about punishing criminals.  You are against that and say I impose a different rule on others than on myself.  I am not a criminal and not committing crime, so how can I be imposing a different rule?  You haven't explained that.

Again, are you going to heaven?  If so, on what basis?

"It doesn't matter—because if you had committed a crime, you wouldn't want to be punished. So when you impose harsher rules on others than on yourself, you're applying a double standard. Are you claiming you've never sinned?"

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Gaétan said:

"It doesn't matter—because if you had committed a crime, you wouldn't want to be punished. So when you impose harsher rules on others than on yourself, you're applying a double standard. Are you claiming you've never sinned?"

You have a problem.  Maybe there is somebody where you live that could help you.  We can't really waste our time on here trying to reason with you.  It's obviously not going to help.

 

[Gaétan]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

You have a problem.  Maybe there is somebody where you live that could help you.  We can't really waste our time on here trying to reason with you.  It's obviously not going to help.

 

You want to impose rules on others that you wouldn’t apply to yourself — that’s unjust. "When you will be judged, the same rules you impose on others will be applied to you—and you will be punished for your sins. Are you wise enough to understand that? This is what Jesus said." The standard you use for others is the standard for you also.

Matthew 7:2 (New International Version):

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Gaétan said:

You want to impose rules on others that you wouldn’t apply to yourself — that’s unjust. "When you will be judged, the same rules you impose on others will be applied to you—and you will be punished for your sins. Are you wise enough to understand that? This is what Jesus said." The standard you use for others is the standard for you also.

Matthew 7:2 (New International Version):

"For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

The question is are you on your way to heaven or to hell?   Can you explain that?

Two points.

1.  You are using a perverted version of the Bible to begin with.   Read the article at this link:

The New International PERVersion - NIV

Then get a King James Bible (1611).

2.  You don't seem to have any idea how to understand the Bible.  You need help.  Maybe go to a local Bible-believing church and ask if someone could help you.   Don't assume you know how to understand the Bible on your own.  Get help.

 

Edited October 7, 2025 by blackbird

[taxme]

On 10/5/2025 at 12:37 PM, Gaétan said:

You can’t blame God for your actions, for what others do, or for the bullshit that’s been planted in your head.

God appears to be the problem because he continues to allow what has been going on for centuries on earth by evil people who keep making hell on earth for we the peaceful sheeple. Where is the mercy for the killing of a child just minutes old? What is that all about? I can show more mercy than your God can. Just saying. 

 

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

God appears to be the problem because he continues to allow what has been going on for centuries on earth by evil people who keep making hell on earth for we the peaceful sheeple. Where is the mercy for the killing of a child just minutes old? What is that all about? I can show more mercy than your God can. Just saying. 

 

Don't you see that the real problem is the devil

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

The question is are you on your way to heaven or to hell?   Can you explain that?

Two points.

1.  You are using a perverted version of the Bible to begin with.   Read the article at this link:

The New International PERVersion - NIV

Then get a King James Bible (1611).

2.  You don't seem to have any idea how to understand the Bible.  You need help.  Maybe go to a local Bible-believing church and ask if someone could help you.   Don't assume you know how to understand the Bible on your own.  Get help.

 

"This is what happens to people who live by double standards."

Matthew 18:23–27 (KJV) 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27 Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

Matthew 18:28–35 (KJV) 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29 And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 32 Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

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[taxme]

On 10/5/2025 at 2:27 PM, blackbird said:

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The House of Commons has passed M-103, a non-binding motion condemning Islamophobia and religious discrimination.

All NDP and nearly all Liberal MPs supported the motion, which passed 201-91. The majority of Conservative MPs voted against, with leadership candidate Michael Chong and Simcoe North MP Bruce Stanton voting in favour. Mississauga Liberal MP Gagan Sikand and Barrie Conservative MP Alex Nuttall both abstained.

The vote follows months of bitter debate and a series of protests and counter-protests across the country over whether the private member's motion would limit free speech or single out Islam for special treatment in Canadian law."

House of Commons passes anti-Islamophobia motion | CBC News

The lieberals and the NDP and the Bloc are all betrayers to Canada. They have sold Canada down the drain with their massive 3rd world immigration invasion Marxist WEF program and agenda. What they have done does appear to be quite treasonous. 

So, i guess that this means that i will have no right to my freedom of expression any longer in Canada? So, if i say anything that appears to be anti-Islam i am not subject to possible arrest and sent off to the Canadian gulag. And many fools here still believes that democracy in Canada still exists. This is why Canada must cease to exist. We are now living in a communist country whether anyone here wants to believe it or not. 

As this WEF Marxist government still keeps bringing in hundreds of thousands of legal and illegal immigrants into Canada every year, where pretty much the majority of them are non-white, it is those immigrants that the lieberals are counting on for their votes. And we should all know that it is the Canadian corporations that want all of the 3rd world to come to Canada. Cheap labor. It's time for people like you to wake up and realize that the old Canada is gone. Just saying.