Will God punish Canada and those nations who are trying to divide Israel into two nations?

[CITIZEN_2015]

Important point most people including Donald Trump don't understand is that Israel will not live in peace or ever be safe for as long as Islamic Republic exists. Israel was going to take care of this grave threat to the whole world but the cowardly President Trump stopped them after only 12 days. Within months this dreadful regime would have fallen and the whole world would have been a much safer place. 

[blackbird]

8 hours ago, Barquentine said:

The problem is if one DOES believe in God then there are many things that cannot be explained.

Like what?  The KJV Bible explains a lot.  Do you believe God owes man anything or any explanation about anything?  God is the Creator of the universe;  man is a created being.

First of all you have to accept that God is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent and merciful.  If you want to think man somehow is superior to God and that God somehow must justify anything or owes man anything, then you haven't really understood much about God.  We need to remember our place in God's creation.  He is the Creator and we are mere specks in God's creation.  God loves man even though man rebelled against Him.  He gives man a second chance.   But that is an individual choice how one responds.  That is what the Bible is all about.

 

 

 

Edited September 25, 2025 by blackbird

[BeaverFever]

On 9/22/2025 at 11:24 AM, blackbird said:

Palestine which is actually part of Israel.

False. 
 

On 9/22/2025 at 11:24 AM, blackbird said:

This would effectively cut Israel in approximately half

False. 
 

On 9/22/2025 at 11:24 AM, blackbird said:

The question is will God punish

No. God is not real. Even if you do believe in the bible there’s nothing relevant to modern geopolitics. 

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

On 9/22/2025 at 8:24 AM, blackbird said:

The question is will God punish

No. God is not real. Even if you do believe in the bible there’s nothing relevant to modern geopolitics. 

You are entitled to your opinion.

Do you have any explanation for why we are here and what the meaning of life is?  Or even how we got here?

Edited September 25, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No. God is not real.

If that were true, which it isn't, life would have no meaning.  We would all be here by a an accident of the cosmos.  Here today and gone tomorrow.  This doesn't make much sense.  I think the Bible makes far more sense when it says God created man in his own image, not physically, but perhaps emotionally and psychologically.  We can reason and think.

Without God then what makes right and wrong?  Without God there would be no such thing as right or wrong and any criminal would think he can do whatever he wishes and get away with it.  That doesn't seem like a reasonable universe.

God created man with a soul and a spirit.  Life does not end at death.  There is a supernatural domain.  The Bible says after death is the judgment.   Better study the Bible and learn what life and eternity is all about.  There are only one of two places to go after this life:  heaven or hell.  Now is the day of salvation.  Don't waste it.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

You are entitled to your opinion.

Do you have any explanation for why we are here and what the meaning of life is?  Or even how we got here?

We are here because we evolved as result of billions of years of compounding chemical and biological interactions.  The meaning of your life is whatever you choose to assign to it. 

[BeaverFever]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If that were true, which it isn't, life would have no meaning.  We would all be here by a an accident of the cosmos.  Here today and gone tomorrow.  This doesn't make much sense. 

We are here at least in our current form and condition by an accident of the cosmos. It  makes perfect sense. 
 

25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I think the Bible makes far more sense when it says God created man in his own image, not physically, but perhaps emotionally and psychologically.  We can reason and think.

It makes as much sense as any religion, past or present. Hinduism, Buddhism, Zeus, Thor, indigenous tribal beliefs and so on. Those make sense to man because they were made by man. Also, the bible is full of irrational and illogical stories perhaps more so than many other religions simply because it’s been tampered with and adulterated so much. 
 

29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Without God then what makes right and wrong?  Without God there would be no such thing as right or wrong and any criminal would think he can do whatever he wishes and get away with it.  That doesn't seem like a reasonable universe.

Man-made morality makes right and wrong and you can clearly see that a Christians can’t even agree among themselves what is right and wrong. Christianity and many religions don’t really teach morality or right and wrong, they teach blind obedience to scripture. What is obedient is right and what is disobedient is wrong, period end of story. Criminals almost by definition think they can do whatever they want y get away with it. And the vast majority of them are religious BTW they’re not atheists. 
 

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

God created man with a soul and a spirit.  Life does not end at death.  There is a supernatural domain.  The Bible says after death is the judgment.   Better study the Bible and learn what life and eternity is all about.  There are only one of two places to go after this life:  heaven or hell.  Now is the day of salvation.  Don't waste it.

Nah. 

[eyeball]

47 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Without God then what makes right and wrong? 

Cesar. Which takes God out of the Earthly picture at a stroke. Of course by Cesar I mean human government. Which your God in particular orders you to obey.

As far as Cesar is concerned your religion is just another social club that's neither here nor there in the scheme of Cesar's things. Which is the entire planet. There is virtually nowhere on the planet that Cesar's word is not law and it even extends out into space.

Of course when Cesar is a hard-boiled believer like you then you get to make right and wrong.

...God help us...

 

Edited September 26, 2025 by eyeball

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

If that were true, which it isn't, life would have no meaning.  We would all be here by a an accident of the cosmos.  Here today and gone tomorrow.  This doesn't make much sense. 

We are here at least in our current form and condition by an accident of the cosmos. It  makes perfect sense. 

You have a problem with the idea of an accident of the cosmos.

It simply doesn't explain where all the laws of physics came from.  Gravity for one thing.

But the laws of physics are very precise and absolute as are the laws of chemical interactions, atoms, molecules, the light spectrum, radiation, etc. etc.  Where did it all come from?  Why does it all interact so perfectly to give us this functioning universe with life forms?  No, claiming is was just an accident just doesn't cut it.  It is far too complex and intricate.  An accident simply doesn't explain anything.  

You really need to read the book "Darwin's Universe -- From Nothing, By Nothing, For Nothing-- Survival for Nothing" by Yan T. Wee.   Available on Amazon.

Here is what the back cover says in the first paragraph:

"Darwinists hope to bury God in an avalanche of a causeless universe and a godless evolution.  But instead of liberating us, they plunge us into a cosmic depression.  We are reduced to From Nothing, By Nothing, For Nothing -- an accidental leftover from the Big Bang, evolved by a lucky chance, and are here for no ultimate purpose."

Why anybody would fall for that is hard to understand.

Chapter 1 says this in part:

A scientist approached God and said, "Listen, we've decided we no longer need you.  Nowadays, we can clone people, transplant hearts, and do all kinds of things that were once considered miraculous."

God patiently heard him out, and then said, "All right.  To see whether or not you still need me, why don't we have a man-making contest?"

"Okay, great!" the scientist said.

Now, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam," God said.

"That's fine," replied the scientist, and bent to scoop up a handful of dirt.

"Whoa!" God said, shaking his head in disapproval.  "Not so fast, pal.  You go get your own dirt!"

'Get your own dirt' - that is basically the crux of the matter.  Despite all the latest discoveries in every discipline of science, all the cosmologists, physicists, and biologists will inevitably converge at the edge of a vast cosmic chasm they cannot cross - where did the 'first dirt' come from?  And to go a step further, where did all the physical laws governing this material universe come from - from gravity to electromagnetism, the strong nuclear force, and the weak nuclear force?  Who defines these and the many other laws of nature and calibrates them with such fine precision without which matter and life can never exist.  Scientists today are both stunned and stumped by this exquisite fine tuning of the universe and by what is now commonly known as the 'Anthropic Principle' - the universe appears to be patently contrived to permit intelligent life.  unquote

Nobody can come up with a reasonable explanation about where this complex universe and life came from other than a Creator we call God.  The complexity and all the physical laws that govern the universe are just something nobody can explain apart from a Creator.  Simple logic.

To say it was an accident is really an incoherent answer when you even begin to consider all the complex laws of physics that governs everything.  

 

 

Edited September 26, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

As far as Cesar is concerned your religion is just another social club

The word "religion" has a negative connotation in many people's mind.  I would rather talk about the God of the Holy Bible, in English, the King James Version of 1611.

The Bible gives us the truth of where we came from, why we are here, what God revealed about mankind, the problem, and the solution.

The truth revealed in the Bible is what matters.  You love to throw out nonsense such as the bit about a social club.  

A Bible-based church does not exist to be a social club, but rather to worship God, learn about Him, and have fellowship between like-minded believers.  God has said there should be a fellowship of believers.  It is a community of like-minded people who should encourage each other and worship God together.  That is good.

Edited September 26, 2025 by blackbird

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The truth revealed in the Bible is what matters.  You love to throw out nonsense such as the bit about a social club.  

It's the Bible's nonsense about Cesar that you've thrown out that's at issue.

[blackbird]

Just now, eyeball said:

It's the Bible's nonsense about Cesar that you've thrown out that's at issue.

Perhaps you are referring to this thread's subject.  It is perfectly Biblical to criticize government in a democratic society.  If government does wrong, it should be pointed out.   Isn't that what democracy means?

There are many verses in the Bible that can be misunderstood if you don't understand them in their context.  Many verses can also be pulled out of the Bible and mis-applied.  That is done frequently.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

If government does wrong, it should be pointed out.   Isn't that what democracy means?

Democracy isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible and you can point out how wrong governments are until the cows come home.

But when it comes to Earthly affairs Cesar decides what's right and wrong, not the Bible.

God clearly gave Cesar freewill over everyone else.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Democracy isn't mentioned anywhere in the Bible and you can point out how wrong governments are until the cows come home.

But when it comes to Earthly affairs Cesar decides what's right and wrong, not the Bible.

God clearly gave Cesar freewill over everyone else.

God's law and his word, the Bible, is supreme and above any earthly rulers.  No government has the authority to over-rule God and his laws.  Many rulers did that in the past and millions of people were tortured and killed for resisting the authorities in the Holy Roman Empire.  They followed God rather than mortal men.

Caesars lived 2,000 years ago.  We don't live in an absolute dictatorship, at least it is claimed we have a democratic system with basic freedoms such as freedom of speech.  Even before democracy was developed in the west, if Caesars or Kings did things that were blatantly against the Bible, I think God would recognize the Christian's right to oppose them.  

Even in the first 300 years after Christ, thousands of Christians were burned at the stake or thrown to the lions for disobeying Caesar in the Roman Empire which made Christianity illegal.  Do you think Caesar was doing the right thing in persecuting and killing thousands of Christians and burning Bibles???  Throwing Christians to the lions was the common form of entertainment in Rome in those days.

Don't forget millions of Bible-believing Christians were tortured and killed by the authorities down through the centuries (dark ages/middle ages) for rejecting the Roman Catholic system or questioning the papacy or clergy.  It was a false religious system and still is.  They were not following Caesar because Caesar was a cruel tyrant.  Read the history of the Holy Roman Inquisition that lasted for centuries.  There are books online you can read for free on it at archive.com.

Absolute rule by kings ended long ago in the western nations such as Canada.  The ordinary people have been granted democratic rights.  That is why we have elections and choose our leaders.  As part of that we have the right to peacefully criticize government. 

Let me make it clear, even if government removes certain democratic rights such as freedom of speech, Christians still have the right to peacefully oppose and speak against anything government does that is against God and his written revelation, the King James Bible.  That is an absolute right man has been given by God.   

It appears you are grasping for straws in your effort to discredit the Bible or discredit Christianity.  It's not working.  It is perfectly biblical in our system to criticize governments in a peaceful way when they act in unbiblical, evil ways or against God.  

It is perfectly Biblical and right to oppose evil things that governments do, but that must be done in a peaceful way.  That is why it would have been correct to oppose Hitler or Stalin in the evil things they were doing as well.

That is what allows Christians to peacefully protest abortion or killing of pre-born babies and other things that go against the Bible.

Edited September 26, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Man-made morality makes right and wrong

So if government decides to take away your freedom as Hitler and Stalin did, you think that is government's right?

If governments go against the Bible and against God, Christians have a right and moral duty to peacefully oppose the evil government does.  They always did and millions of them were killed for opposing tyrannical rulers.  Atheism means there is no higher authority than mere mortal, sinful man.  That has proven a disaster in history and it is unbiblical.

[Barquentine]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

First of all you have to accept that God is eternal, omniscient, omnipotent and merciful.  If you want to think man somehow is superior to God and that God somehow must justify anything or owes man anything, then you haven't really understood much about God.  We need to remember our place in God's creation.  He is the Creator and we are mere speck......

YadaYadaYada. Fairy tales and superstition. Last bit of time I'll waste on this subject.

[cannuck]

On 9/25/2025 at 3:10 PM, blackbird said:

 God is the Creator of the universe;  man is a created being.......First of all you have to accept that God is eternal,

Which "God" are we talking aboiut - there have been hundreds of them.  We are supposed to believe your god is the #1 god, but cultures going back tens of thousands of years .... well all pretty obvious there's been some confusion and contradictions in this whole god thing.

You have no problem crediting some spook in the sky with all of these magical powers but can't even begin to accept that it is the universe that is eternal and thus the universe...wait till I get that into context...the Universe that created all of these gods.  If any of this religious BS has a common thread is they all seem to claim the moral high ground of love and peace then go out and slaughter each other ... in the name of god.

[CITIZEN_2015]

State of Palestine or Arabs are not a real threat to Israel. Arabs have been defeated again and again by Israel. The real threat to the world and Israel is Islamic fascists originating and fed by Islamic Republic regime. World leaders are so stupid they don't understand or realize Islamic threat to Western democracy and Israel. Islamic Republic must be rooted out like a cancerous organ by all available means. I mean By all available means, including air military action and economic and political blockage from air, sea and land and the use of nuclear submarines.. 

[blackbird]

14 hours ago, cannuck said:

Which "God" are we talking aboiut - there have been hundreds of them. 

This article gives a detailed answer.  This is one of the most important questions you could ask.

quote

This is a profoundly important question. Because we live in a world with many competing truth claims—and many so-called gods—the identity of the one true God matters. The one true God is distinguished from all the false gods that have been foisted upon mankind by evil spirits and deluded men. Gods that are fashioned by the imaginations and hands of men are absolutely worthless (Isaiah 44:9–10), but the one true God is full of glory, grace, and truth (John 1:14).
 

The Bible says that the one true God is the sovereign, self-existent Creator of the universe (Isaiah 42:5; Ephesians 1:11). He is spirit (John 4:24), He is eternal (Psalm 90:2), and He is personal (Deuteronomy 34:10). The one true God possesses all knowledge (Isaiah 46:10) and all power (Matthew 19:26), is present in all places (Psalm 139:7–10), and is unchanging (James 1:17). There are many false gods—Hinduism alone supposedly recognizes as many as 330 million gods—but none of them possess the attributes of the one true God.

The Bible says that God is just (Acts 17:31), loving (Ephesians 2:4–5), truthful (Numbers 23:19), and holy (Isaiah 6:3). God shows compassion (2 Corinthians 1:3), mercy (Romans 9:15), and grace (Romans 5:17). God judges sin (Psalm 5:5), but He also offers forgiveness (Psalm 130:4). Any god that is not just, loving, truthful, holy, compassionate, merciful, gracious, and forgiving is not the one true God.

The one true God exists in tri-unity. The Bible speaks of three divine Persons who share the same nature and essence in one God. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three in one (Matthew 3:16–17; 28:19). This characteristic of the one true God separates Him from all other gods of monotheistic religions: Islam, for example, teaches one god (Allah), but it is a false god, since Allah is not triune. Any concept of God that excludes Jesus Christ is faulty. As Scripture says, “No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also” (1 John 2:23).

The one true God wants to be known. He has revealed His power and glory in creation (Romans 1:20). He revealed Himself to Abram in Mesopotamia, calling him to a new life of faith and making of him a new nation (Genesis 12:1–3). The one true God later identified Himself as the “the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob” (Exodus 3:6) and revealed Himself to Moses in Midian (verses 1–5). Using Moses, the one true God began to reveal Himself more clearly through His written Word, the Bible. And, finally, the one true God has given us the ultimate revelation of Himself in the Lord Jesus: “In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son” (Hebrews 1:1–2). Jesus is “the exact representation of [God’s] being” (verse 3). Jesus is the Word of God made flesh who “made his dwelling among us” (John 1:14).

We all have a choice of whom to worship. Joshua told the Israelites it was time for them to choose the one true God over the gods of the Amorites (Joshua 24:15). Elijah told the people on top of Mt. Carmel that they could no longer stay ambivalent concerning God: “How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him” (1 Kings 18:21). Today, people worship some of the same pagan gods mentioned in the Old Testament; or they worship more recent false gods such as Mami Wata and Cernunnos; or they worship themselves. But the worship of false deities leads only to death in the end. “This is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent” (John 17:3). May we be like Ruth, who chose the one true God over the idols of Moab (Ruth 1:16).

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Who is the one true God? | GotQuestions.org

Edited September 27, 2025 by blackbird

[cannuck]

Your "Bible" is but one more interpretation of ancient scripts that have been re-written many times over.  What you need to understand that there is only one religion on this planet:  greed.  Before science and technology advanced to a point of where the average person had multiple pathways of receiving information and political systems evolved to where many could draw their own conclusions and regulate their surroundings that one omnipotent and enduring religion was expressed by creating dieties, texts and institutions to do what greedy ba$tards the world over for millennia have done: construct a way to control people and milk them dry.  In our Western world, the Catholic cult managed to do that even better than the much older Jewish one, but both have been eclipsed by the new kid on the block: Islam.  NONE of this total religious BS is about truth, love, peace, etc., it's all about greed.

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

State of Palestine or Arabs are not a real threat to Israel. Arabs have been defeated again and again by Israel. The real threat to the world and Israel is Islamic fascists originating and fed by Islamic Republic regime. World leaders are so stupid they don't understand or realize Islamic threat to Western democracy and Israel. Islamic Republic must be rooted out like a cancerous organ by all available means. I mean By all available means, including air military action and economic and political blockage from air, sea and land and the use of nuclear submarines.. 

Sounds to me like you are for wiping out an entire religion? All 2 billion Muslims??

Seems that genocide and ethnic cleansing  is what you are espousing?

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Sounds to me like you are for wiping out an entire religion? All 2 billion Muslims??

Seems that genocide and ethnic cleansing  is what you are espousing?

 

You need to educate yourself before coming here and make stupid comments.

Islamic Republic is not 2 billion muslims. It is a fascist islamic regime in Iran imposed by Carter administration in 1979 on Iranian people. It consists of about 200,000 subhuman mullahs who wish to nuke the world, in particular Israel and the West. They have hired about a million criminal mercenaries in Iran and Arab countries like Hezbollah and Hamas and moving fast by hiring scientists to build many nuclear weapons for their ultimate goal. To them it is either you accept their fascist ideology or die. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians have been murdered by these bastards since 1979 including women and children unarmed and shot to death for simply not wearing the f*cking Islamic hijab. The regime must be removed by all available means and as soon as possible,

[ExFlyer]

23 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You need to educate yourself before coming here and make stupid comments.

Islamic Republic is not 2 billion muslims. It is a fascist islamic regime in Iran imposed by Carter administration in 1979 on Iranian people. It consists of about 200,000 subhuman mullahs who wish to nuke the world, in particular Israel and the West. They have hired about a million criminal mercenaries in Iran and Arab countries like Hezbollah and Hamas and moving fast by hiring scientists to build many nuclear weapons for their ultimate goal. To them it is either you accept their fascist ideology or die. Hundreds of thousands of Iranians have been murdered by these bastards since 1979 including women and children unarmed and shot to death for simply not wearing the f*cking Islamic hijab. The regime must be removed by all available means and as soon as possible,

I am very well educated and knowledgeable and make comments as I see them.

If you want to be racist and discriminate and eliminate them,  you are still speaking of wiping them out get informed and know that the "Islamic Republic," and their combined population is approximately 339 million people"

Your post is racist and teems of genocide when you say that "must be rooted out like a cancerous organ" "By all available means" "air military action and economic and political blockage from air, sea and land and the use of nuclear submarines.. ".

The cancerous organism is people like you that espouse wiping out entire populations.

[herbie]

Maybe we can hold off until God sends an actual map showing the marked borders of His Israel.
Or simply inform Him we've relieved Him of such duties.
 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I am very well educated and knowledgeable 8cking regime is at war with its population. Read about anti-regand make comments as I see them.

If you want to be racist and discriminate and eliminate them,  you are still speaking of wiping them out get informed and know that the "Islamic Republic," and their combined population is approximately 339 million people"

Your post is racist and teems of genocide when you say that "must be rooted out like a cancerous organ" "By all available means" "air military action and economic and political blockage from air, sea and land and the use of nuclear submarines.. ".

The cancerous organism is people like you that espouse wiping out entire populations.

It is not lack of education but lack of knowledge and idiocy.

90 million out of the 339 million you pulled out of your hat is the population of Iran. If you have a brain in your head even the size of a peanut you would know this f*cking regime is at war with the nation of Iran and Iranians being shot or beaten to death by Islamic republic regime and daily executions of opponents. I don't know where the other 239 million come from. Is that the houtis in Yemen and Hezbollah and Hamas? They are hardly a million..

I am not calling for any race or nation to be rooted out but the regime and the terrorists to be rooted out. You don't even know the meaning of racist you accuse me of.

Will you say elimination of Nazi Germany was racist and genocide.? There is no limit to idiocy, is there?

Edited September 27, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015