blackbird Posted October 1, 2025 Author Report Posted October 1, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, cougar said: Actually Israel is an artificial country created to give the Jews a place to live. A puppet of the US to exert military pressure in the Middle East. Who do you support, that monster south of us that wants to devour us? That is false. Israel possessed the land thousands of years ago and fought for it at different times in history. The Romans drove them out about 2,000 years ago and some lived there over the centuries. Then Muslims invaded and took control for a period of time until they were defeated. It is complex and you need to get educated. Many Jews returned to what is their land in the 20th century and declared their state of Israel in 1948. Are you another anti-Semite? Trump's madness has nothing to do with it. It doesn't negate the fact it belongs to Israel. Edited October 1, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Gaétan Posted October 2, 2025 Report Posted October 2, 2025 5 hours ago, blackbird said: That is false. Israel possessed the land thousands of years ago and fought for it at different times in history. The Romans drove them out about 2,000 years ago and some lived there over the centuries. Then Muslims invaded and took control for a period of time until they were defeated. It is complex and you need to get educated. Many Jews returned to what is their land in the 20th century and declared their state of Israel in 1948. Are you another anti-Semite? Trump's madness has nothing to do with it. It doesn't negate the fact it belongs to Israel. It’s religious fanatics who planted that idea in your mind. Israel’s population today is not composed of original Hebrews, but of individuals converted by exiled rabbis. The true Hebrews are the Palestinians, and this land rightfully belongs to them, as they have always inhabited it. 1 Quote
Venandi Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 (edited) A bit of perspective and worth reading regardless of what your opinions may be.: https://nationalpost.com/news/world/israel-middle-east/hamas-is-the-genocidal-entity-warfare-experts-on-what-the-world-is-getting-wrong-on-gaza?itm_source=index Like it or not, I think the IDF action in Gaza will become a model for future high density operations... especially where civilians are routinely used are human shields and the governing authority is willing to sacrifice them on the alter of propaganda. The offer of amnesty to Hamas as part of the peace process is a courageous decision IMO... I'd have to swallow pretty hard on that one. Edited October 5, 2025 by Venandi Quote
Gaétan Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 Netanyahu cannot be trusted—even if an agreement is reached and the hostages are released, he will claim that Hamas is violating it in order to continue the genocide. Quote
Venandi Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Gaétan said: Netanyahu cannot be trusted—even if an agreement is reached and the hostages are released, he will claim that Hamas is violating it in order to continue the genocide. A bit misplaced I think, I could easily say the same thing about Hamas. Either way though, this is the best deal Palestinians are going to get IMO... If you're suggesting that rogue elements of Hamas will be motivated to continue assaults on Israel once a transition force is in place then I tend to agree. Israel is unlikely to completely abdicate their right to self defence but by the same token, Gaza is one of the most surveilled patches of real estate on the planet and avoiding mutual interference with the international force isn't an insurmountable problem. That's a whole new thread though and as a teaser, I'm guessing Hamas would love nothing more than to launch attacks into Israel from the eastern Sinai in order to trigger a response that could potentially involve Egypt in their cause. All of this requires a courageous effort and the absence of the sort of rhetoric you seem prone to generating. Edited October 5, 2025 by Venandi Quote
Gaétan Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 13 minutes ago, Venandi said: A bit misplaced I think, I could easily say the same thing about Hamas. Either way though, this is the best deal Palestinians are going to get IMO... If you're suggesting that rogue elements of Hamas will be motivated to continue assaults on Israel once a transition force is in place then I tend to agree. Israel is unlikely to completely abdicate their right to self defence but by the same token, Gaza is one of the most surveilled patches of real estate on the planet and avoiding mutual interference with the international force isn't an insurmountable problem, that's a whole new thread though. Hamas made an agreement with Netanyahu, and he didn’t honor it. Netanyahu accepted the deal knowing full well he wouldn’t respect it. This man will never honor any agreement, and Hamas should not release the hostages whom the Israeli army will end up killing. Quote
Venandi Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 1 minute ago, Gaétan said: Hamas should not release the hostages whom the Israeli army will end up killing. Huh? Read this part again: 15 minutes ago, Venandi said: All of this requires a courageous effort and the absence of the sort of rhetoric you seem prone to generating. Quote
Gaétan Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 5 minutes ago, Venandi said: Huh? Read this part again: The American president is also a liar and a murderer. Quote
Venandi Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gaétan said: The American president is also a liar and a murderer. An excellent point... but you're wearing it on your head. Please continue standing in the corner while adults work the issues at hand. Edited October 5, 2025 by Venandi Quote
Gaétan Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 25 minutes ago, Venandi said: An excellent point... but you're wearing it on your head. Please continue standing in the corner while adults work the issues at hand. Presidents are murderers and liars. They’ve repeatedly used their vetoes against the rights of Palestinians, and this one has done the same. He is unjust and corrupt, and his destiny is to end up in hell. It was people just as corrupt as he is who brought him to power. Let the Israeli army kill the hostages Quote
taxme Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 On 9/22/2025 at 8:24 AM, blackbird said: PM Carney announced they are recognizing a state of Palestine which is actually part of Israel. That is the West Bank and possibly Gaza. This would effectively cut Israel in approximately half and greatly weaken its ability to defend itself. There never was such a state called Palestine although this is disputed by some groups? The question is will God punish Canada or the government of Canada and the other countries who are doing the same thing, including the U.N.? The Bible makes it clear God gave the land of Israel to them in perpetuity. God said this to Abraham: "7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:7 KJV. Therefore when nations go against this and try to take parts of it away from Israel, will God punish those nations or people at some point for attempting to do so. There is lots of prophecy in the Bible about coming future events. But the past history in the Bible does show God did punish the enemies of Israel. quote Old Testament Context In the Old Testament, God's judgment on Israel's enemies is frequently depicted in the historical narratives, prophetic literature, and poetic writings. The Pentateuch, particularly in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy, sets the stage for understanding God's protective and retributive actions. For instance, in Exodus 14:13-14, Moses assures the Israelites of God's deliverance from the Egyptians: "Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the LORD’s salvation, which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still." The conquest narratives in the book of Joshua further illustrate God's judgment on the Canaanite nations, fulfilling His promise to give the land to the descendants of Abraham. Joshua 10:42 states, "Joshua conquered all these kings and their land in one campaign, because the LORD, the God of Israel, fought for Israel." The prophetic books often pronounce oracles of judgment against the nations surrounding Israel. The book of Isaiah, for example, contains numerous prophecies against nations such as Babylon, Assyria, Moab, and Edom. Isaiah 13:11 declares, "I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity; I will end the arrogance of the proud and humble the pride of the ruthless." Similarly, the book of Ezekiel contains prophecies against Tyre, Egypt, and other nations, emphasizing God's sovereignty over all nations and His ultimate plan for justice. Ezekiel 25:17 states, "I will execute great vengeance on them with furious reproof. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I lay My vengeance upon them." New Testament Perspective In the New Testament, the theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is expanded to include spiritual dimensions. The ultimate enemy, Satan, and the forces of evil are depicted as being defeated through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:15 proclaims, "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross." The book of Revelation provides a vivid apocalyptic vision of God's final judgment upon the enemies of His people. Revelation 19:11-16 describes Christ as the victorious warrior: "Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war." Theological Implications The judgment on Israel's enemies underscores several key theological themes. Firstly, it affirms God's faithfulness to His covenant promises. Throughout the biblical narrative, God acts to protect and vindicate His people, demonstrating His unwavering commitment to them. Secondly, it highlights God's justice and righteousness. The judgment of the nations serves as a reminder that God holds all people accountable for their actions and that His justice will ultimately prevail. Lastly, it points to the eschatological hope of God's ultimate victory over evil. The Scriptures assure believers that, in the end, God will establish His kingdom in fullness, where righteousness and peace will reign eternally. Conclusion The biblical theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is a testament to God's sovereign power, His covenantal faithfulness, and His ultimate plan for justice and redemption. Through these judgments, God reveals His character and His purposes, offering hope and assurance to His people throughout history. unquote Topical Bible: Judgment on Israel's Enemies Will God punish those lieberal Canadians for allowing their country to be taken over and be destroyed by foreigners who should not be here at all? We have tens of thousands of Muslims that are trying to divide and conquer Canada. Their aim is to takeover Canada and implement Sharia law. Believe it or not. You should be more concerned and worried about what is going on in Canada and not Israel. I am pretty sure that most Canadians do not really care all that much about what happens to Israel unless you are Jewish. My Canada is going towards a Marxist globalist created 3rd world hell hole and Israel is not my main concern. Just saying. 🤗 Quote
taxme Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 On 9/22/2025 at 12:17 PM, herbie said: You're really stuck on this invisible Man in the Sky who punishes transgressors concept of God, aren't you? God didn't define the borders of Israel, the UN did. And claiming people are trying to divide Israel by not recognizing what their govt occupied beyond those borders is a stretch. If there is a God then where is he? For thousands of years he has allowed turmoil and killings for centuries and still will not stop those turmoil's. Does he care or not care? If there is anyone that needs to be blamed for what is happening in Israel or the rest of the world today is God himself. God created this mess and it appears to me that God is not in hurry to get this world in order. Of course we have no proof that any God really exists. I always pray to God to let me win the lottery. But so far, it is not working! 😇 Quote
Gaétan Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 16 minutes ago, taxme said: If there is a God then where is he? For thousands of years he has allowed turmoil and killings for centuries and still will not stop those turmoil's. Does he care or not care? If there is anyone that needs to be blamed for what is happening in Israel or the rest of the world today is God himself. God created this mess and it appears to me that God is not in hurry to get this world in order. Of course we have no proof that any God really exists. I always pray to God to let me win the lottery. But so far, it is not working! 😇 You can’t blame God for your actions, for what others do, or for the bullshit that’s been planted in your head. 1 Quote
blackbird Posted October 5, 2025 Author Report Posted October 5, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, taxme said: Will God punish those lieberal Canadians for allowing their country to be taken over and be destroyed by foreigners who should not be here at all? We have tens of thousands of Muslims that are trying to divide and conquer Canada. Their aim is to takeover Canada and implement Sharia law. Believe it or not. Yes I believe it. The mayor of London, UK, is a practicing Muslim. "Sadiq Khan’s religion is Islam; he is a practising Sunni Muslim. His faith is a significant part of his identity, influencing his political focus on interfaith dialogue and community cohesion." Muslims do not believe in freedom of religion or speech to begin with. Nobody is allowed to question their religion. quote A U.K. court has triggered alarm bells among secularists and free speech campaigners after it convicted an atheist who burned a Qur’an of violating laws against promoting public disorder while motivated by a “deep-seated hatred of Islam and its followers.” In his ruling, Judge John McGarva, who serves in the Westminster Magistrates’ Court, noted that Hamit Coskun, whose mother’s family was killed in the Armenian genocide, “believes Islam is an ideology which encourages its followers to violence, paedophilia, and a disregard for the rights of non-believers.” This judgment sets a dangerous precedent of protecting Islam from provocative critique. Tim Dieppe The ruling is likely a victory for the Labour government and its Islamist supporters who are attempting to pass blasphemy legislation to limit criticism of Islam by imposing a wide-ranging definition of “Islamophobia.” Coskun, a 50-year-old political refugee from Turkey, was assaulted by knife-wielding Moussa Kadri after he set fire to the Qur’an outside the Turkish Embassy in London on February 13. Kadri pleaded guilty to the attack but denied being in possession of a bladed article. The Crown Prosecution Service told FWI that Kadri’s next court appearance will take place on July 1, 2025 in Westminster Magistrates’ Court. Coskun was also kicked by a delivery driver after he fell to the ground. Coskun, who was fined £240 with a statutory surcharge of £96, said in response to the verdict, “Would I have been prosecuted if I’d set fire to a copy of the bible outside Westminster Abbey? I doubt it.” U.K. Court Uses Public Order Law to Protect Muslim Sensibilities - Middle East Forum The Islamization of Britain: Mosques Multiply as Christianity Fades (Videos) - RAIR Radical Islamists killed 62,000 Christians in Nigeria over a few years not long ago and it is an ongoing genocide. Apparently the government of Nigeria does little to nothing about it. The Liberal left government in Canada and the mainstream media says absolutely nothing about it. Edited October 5, 2025 by blackbird Quote
blackbird Posted October 5, 2025 Author Report Posted October 5, 2025 2 hours ago, taxme said: We have tens of thousands of Muslims that are trying to divide and conquer Canada. Their aim is to takeover Canada and implement Sharia law. Believe it or not. " The House of Commons has passed M-103, a non-binding motion condemning Islamophobia and religious discrimination. All NDP and nearly all Liberal MPs supported the motion, which passed 201-91. The majority of Conservative MPs voted against, with leadership candidate Michael Chong and Simcoe North MP Bruce Stanton voting in favour. Mississauga Liberal MP Gagan Sikand and Barrie Conservative MP Alex Nuttall both abstained. The vote follows months of bitter debate and a series of protests and counter-protests across the country over whether the private member's motion would limit free speech or single out Islam for special treatment in Canadian law." House of Commons passes anti-Islamophobia motion | CBC News Quote
blackbird Posted October 5, 2025 Author Report Posted October 5, 2025 2 hours ago, taxme said: If there is a God then where is he? For thousands of years he has allowed turmoil and killings for centuries and still will not stop those turmoil's. Does he care or not care? No, God is not to blame for the turmoil and killings for centuries. I know we agree about a lot of other things. We both dislike the Marxist left leaning governments in Canada. So we have something we agree on. Perhaps I can explain what this anarchy in the world is all about if you really would like to know. It might require you to do a little studying on some things I could tell you about. Let me know if you would like to consider some truths on the turmoil in the world. I could use an ally on here but it might require a major change on your part if you are willing. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 16 minutes ago, blackbird said: 1. Muslims do not believe in freedom of religion or speech to begin with. 2. The House of Commons has passed M-103, a non-binding motion condemning Islamophobia and religious discrimination. 1. You toss out opinions without basis. Majorities of Muslim nations believe in Democracy. 2. With good reason. Both Muslims and Jews are targeted in this country. Posters openly submit opinions that Muslims are different from other humans on here, corruptible by holy books where others are not. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted October 5, 2025 Author Report Posted October 5, 2025 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: . You toss out opinions without basis. Majorities of Muslim nations believe in Democracy. That is complete nonsense. Christians are in fact severely persecuted in many Islamic countries. 2024 chart gives the Bible donation level in the following countries. They are listed as illegal/restrictive or covert ops only to distribute bibles. The word Extreme refers to the persecution level in 2024. Apparently you don't have the slightest idea of what is going on in the world or you are trying to cover it up. You say I "toss out opinions without basis" when you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Persecution level Bible donation North Korea 1 Extreme Covert Ops Only Somalia 2 Extreme Covert Ops Only Libya 3 Extreme Illegal/Restrictive Eritrea 4 Extreme Illegal/Restrictive Yemen 5 Extreme Covert Ops Only Nigeria 6 Extreme Dangerous/Difficult Pakistan 7 Extreme Dangerous/Difficult Sudan 8 Extreme Illegal/Restrictive Iran 9 Extreme Covert Ops Only Afghanistan 10 Extreme Covert Ops Only India 11 Extreme Dangerous/Difficult Syria 12 Extreme Dangerous/Difficult Saudi Arabia 13 Extreme Covert Ops Only Mali 14 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Algeria 15 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Iraq 16 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Myanmar 17 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Maldives 18 Very High Covert Ops Only China 19 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Burkina Faso 20 Very High Laos 21 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Cuba 22 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Mauritania 23 Very High Covert Ops Only Morocco 24 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Uzbekistan 25 Very High Covert Ops Only Bangladesh 26 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Niger 27 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Central African Republic 28 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Turkmenistan 29 Very High Covert Ops Only Nicaragua 30 Very High Oman 31 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Ethiopia 32 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Tunisia 33 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Colombia 34 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Vietnam 35 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Bhutan 36 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Mexico 37 Very High Egypt 38 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Mozambique 39 Very High Qatar 40 Very High DR Congo 41 Very High Indonesia 42 Very High Cameroon 43 Very High Brunei 44 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Comoros 45 Very High Tajikistan 46 Very High Covert Ops Only Kazakhstan 47 Very High Covert Ops Only Jordan 48 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Malaysia 49 Very High Illegal/Restrictive Turkey 50 Very High Dangerous/Difficult Philippines Dangerous/Difficult Tanzania Dangerous/Difficult Kenya Dangerous/Difficult Sri Lanka Dangerous/Difficult United Arab Emirates Dangerous/Difficult Kyrgyzstan Covert Ops Only Lebanon Dangerous/Difficult Kuwait Countries Where Christianity Is Illegal 2025 Edited October 5, 2025 by blackbird Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 5, 2025 Report Posted October 5, 2025 51 minutes ago, blackbird said: That is complete nonsense. Christians are in fact severely persecuted in many Islamic countries. You say it's complete nonsense, but then you start talking about something else entirely. I didn't say anything about Christian persecution. I was responding to your uncited claim. If you want to continue, back up a step and either acknowledge your point was inaccurate, and then clarify it. Or explain why my cite is inaccurate. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted October 6, 2025 Author Report Posted October 6, 2025 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: You say it's complete nonsense, but then you start talking about something else entirely. I didn't say anything about Christian persecution. I was responding to your uncited claim. If you want to continue, back up a step and either acknowledge your point was inaccurate, and then clarify it. Or explain why my cite is inaccurate. You claimed the majority of Muslim countries are democratic. That is a false statement. We in the west think of a democratic country as having fundamental freedoms, not just a vote every so many years. Muslim countries and others I listed do not respect fundamental freedoms such as freedom of religion. If a country doesn't respect human rights, it doesn't meet the definition of a democratic country. That is why your claim was incorrect. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 6, 2025 Report Posted October 6, 2025 50 minutes ago, blackbird said: 1. You claimed the majority of Muslim countries are democratic. 2. That is a false statement. 3. Muslim countries and others I listed do not respect fundamental freedoms such as freedom of religion. 1. I said no such thing. 2. Look at the cites for the evidence. 3. Another uncited claim. .... Look, this discussion isn't going forward. You're trying to step around what I actually said, or misreading me. Then you just state opinions based on your feelings. That's not the basis for a productive discussion. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted October 6, 2025 Report Posted October 6, 2025 Here's a tip for those of you who discuss topics where your partner just states their opinion over and over with no rationale: don't. They're not proceeding to a conclusion from a set of facts and principles. So it's the equivalent of a three year old telling you their favourite ice cream flavour. There's no debate. Find better use of your time. Discuss things with others. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
blackbird Posted October 6, 2025 Author Report Posted October 6, 2025 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Look, this discussion isn't going forward. You're trying to step around what I actually said, or misreading me. Then you just state opinions based on your feelings. That's not the basis for a productive discussion. You are the one that said " Majorities of Muslim nations believe in Democracy." You posted that link which paints Muslim countries or Muslims in those countries as believers in democracy. You are the one that gave the impression that you believe that. It is a bit of stretch because those countries do not believe in human rights as we understand it in the west. Your original post with the link you gave seemed to be trying to refute my claim that Islam does not respect human rights. So you come up with that website that says Muslims believe in democracy. Do you seriously believe they fit into our western society and respect human rights? Do you think they accept criticism of Islam? Edited October 6, 2025 by blackbird Quote
herbie Posted October 6, 2025 Report Posted October 6, 2025 I put to you that any entity fixed on punishing rather than ignoring bad behaviour and rewarding good behaviour does not meet the qualifications for Godhood. So if that's what you wish to worship, tell Him for us to eff off and leave us be, Quote
blackbird Posted October 6, 2025 Author Report Posted October 6, 2025 (edited) 13 hours ago, taxme said: If there is a God then where is he? For thousands of years he has allowed turmoil and killings for centuries and still will not stop those turmoil's. Does he care or not care? If there is anyone that needs to be blamed for what is happening in Israel or the rest of the world today is God himself. God created this mess and it appears to me that God is not in hurry to get this world in order. Of course we have no proof that any God really exists. I always pray to God to let me win the lottery. But so far, it is not working! 😇 No, it is not God that caused the wicked world. It is man, our first parents. God instructed them not to eat the forbidden fruit but they ate it and that caused the fall of mankind. That was the rebellion against God. quote At the point in time when Adam and Eve ate the fruit that God had told them not to eat, sin entered into the world. This was the fall of man. Before that time, Adam and Eve had the power to either obey God, or to sin by disobeying him. After that point, the inclination and tendency of man was to do only evil. The extent of man’s depravity after the fall is revealed in Genesis 6 where we read: “Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” (Genesis 6:5). Paul described the fall of man saying: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.” (Romans 5:12- 14). Paul then explained that just as sin came into the world through one man, Adam, and that one sin of Adam’s brought death and condemnation to every man, so also through one Man, Jesus Christ, and His one act of righteousness, God’s grace would overflow to many, resulting in justification that brings life. unquote The Fall of Man and Its Consequences - King James Version Bible Edited October 6, 2025 by blackbird Quote
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