Will God punish Canada and those nations who are trying to divide Israel into two nations?

[blackbird]

PM Carney announced they are recognizing a state of Palestine which is actually part of Israel.  That is the West Bank and possibly Gaza.  This would effectively cut Israel in approximately half and greatly weaken its ability to defend itself.  There never was such a state called Palestine although this is disputed by some groups?

The question is will God punish Canada or the government of Canada and the other countries who are doing the same thing, including the U.N.?

The Bible makes it clear God gave the land of Israel to them in perpetuity.  God said this to Abraham:

"7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."  Genesis 17:7 KJV.

Therefore when nations go against this and try to take parts of it away from Israel, will God punish those nations or people at some point for attempting to do so.  There is lots of prophecy in the Bible about coming future events.  But the past history in the Bible does show God did punish the enemies of Israel.

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Old Testament Context

In the Old Testament, God's judgment on Israel's enemies is frequently depicted in the historical narratives, prophetic literature, and poetic writings. The Pentateuch, particularly in the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy, sets the stage for understanding God's protective and retributive actions. For instance, in Exodus 14:13-14, Moses assures the Israelites of God's deliverance from the Egyptians: "Do not be afraid. Stand firm and you will see the LORD’s salvation, which He will accomplish for you today; for the Egyptians you see today, you will never see again. The LORD will fight for you; you need only to be still."

The conquest narratives in the book of Joshua further illustrate God's judgment on the Canaanite nations, fulfilling His promise to give the land to the descendants of Abraham. Joshua 10:42 states, "Joshua conquered all these kings and their land in one campaign, because the LORD, the God of Israel, fought for Israel."

The prophetic books often pronounce oracles of judgment against the nations surrounding Israel. The book of Isaiah, for example, contains numerous prophecies against nations such as Babylon, Assyria, Moab, and Edom. Isaiah 13:11 declares, "I will punish the world for its evil and the wicked for their iniquity; I will end the arrogance of the proud and humble the pride of the ruthless."

Similarly, the book of Ezekiel contains prophecies against Tyre, Egypt, and other nations, emphasizing God's sovereignty over all nations and His ultimate plan for justice. Ezekiel 25:17 states, "I will execute great vengeance on them with furious reproof. Then they will know that I am the LORD, when I lay My vengeance upon them."

New Testament Perspective

In the New Testament, the theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is expanded to include spiritual dimensions. The ultimate enemy, Satan, and the forces of evil are depicted as being defeated through the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:15 proclaims, "And having disarmed the powers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross."

The book of Revelation provides a vivid apocalyptic vision of God's final judgment upon the enemies of His people. Revelation 19:11-16 describes Christ as the victorious warrior: "Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war."

Theological Implications

The judgment on Israel's enemies underscores several key theological themes. Firstly, it affirms God's faithfulness to His covenant promises. Throughout the biblical narrative, God acts to protect and vindicate His people, demonstrating His unwavering commitment to them.

Secondly, it highlights God's justice and righteousness. The judgment of the nations serves as a reminder that God holds all people accountable for their actions and that His justice will ultimately prevail.

Lastly, it points to the eschatological hope of God's ultimate victory over evil. The Scriptures assure believers that, in the end, God will establish His kingdom in fullness, where righteousness and peace will reign eternally.

Conclusion

The biblical theme of judgment on Israel's enemies is a testament to God's sovereign power, His covenantal faithfulness, and His ultimate plan for justice and redemption. Through these judgments, God reveals His character and His purposes, offering hope and assurance to His people throughout history.

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Topical Bible: Judgment on Israel's Enemies

 

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

Short answer: no.

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

PM Carney announced they are recognizing a state of Palestine which is actually part of Israel.  That is the West Bank and possibly Gaza.  This would effectively cut Israel in approximately half and greatly weaken its ability to defend itself. 

 

You always write a book when posting. I had no time to read your post but even first paragraph it starts with lies.

West Bank and Gaza is not part of Israel. They were occupied by Israel illegally in the 6 day war. Israel is the aggressive one treating the people in these territories as animals. If there is a God, she or he will punish those who commit or encourage genocide in Gaza against defenseless women and children and those bastards who commit rape and murder against defenseless civilian Israelis in October 2023.

And this comes from someone who strongly supports Israel but no more lies.

Edited September 22, 2025 by CITIZEN_2015

[herbie]

You're really stuck on this invisible Man in the Sky who punishes transgressors concept of God, aren't you?

God didn't define the borders of Israel, the UN did. And claiming people are trying to divide Israel by not recognizing what their govt occupied beyond those borders is a stretch.

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

It is not that difficult to understand this subject if one is a Bible believer.  But when people comment who reject the Bible and the God of the Bible, you know where they're coming from. There are two powers in this world.  The power of God which is infinite and the limited power of Satan and his demons that have a certain amount of power over this world.  If they are against the God of the Bible and his revelation, then you know where they are speaking from.  It is a spirit of anti-Christ.  Therefore what they say must be doubtful or deceptions.

i don't bother to debate with the one who thinks so primitive. Who believe earth was created in 6 days and Adam and Eve created in heaven as humans and then kicked to earth because they eat apple and who reject science and scientifically proven evolution of man.

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

God didn't define the borders of Israel, the UN did. 

It's hard to make the case that he's been supporting Trump and crew of late.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

God didn't define the borders of Israel, the UN did.

The U.N. is the most untrustworthy organization in the world.  It is made up of a host of dictatorship countries.  It even appoints countries that do not respect human rights to its so-called human rights committee.  It is a farce.

"What Percentage of UN Resolutions Are Anti-Israel? 

A statistical breakdown offers insights into the disproportionate scrutiny faced by Israel by the UN. In 2023 alone, a new study conducted by UN Watch found that Israel was sanctioned by the UN twice as many times as the rest of the world combined. The Jewish state—the only democratic state in the Middle East—was the target of 14 General Assembly resolutions, while the remaining member states, including authoritarian regimes such as North Korea, Russia, Syria, and Iran, were denounced only seven times. Of the 14 resolutions against Israel, only one of them is non-condemnatory, 

That has been the pattern for many years. In 2022, 15 resolutions condemned Israel out of 27 total—more than 50%. From 2015 through 2022, the UN General Assembly adopted 140 resolutions on Israel and 68 on all other countries. According to data, since the creation of the UNHRC (United Nations Human Rights Council) in 2006, there have been 45 resolutions condemning Israel on its own, a number that comprises 45.9% of all country-specific resolutions, and reflects the fact that there were nearly more resolutions condemning Israel than the rest of the world combined. 

List of UN Resolutions Condemning Israel Since 2023 

Below is a list of the number of UN resolutions condemning Israel since 2020. This list was gathered from the organization’s online database:

 

The U.N. General Assembly has just wrapped up its country resolutions for 2023: North Korea 1 Venezuela 0 Myanmar 1 Lebanon 0 Pakistan 0 Hamas 0 Turkey 0 Russia 2 China 0 Qatar 0 Saudi 0 Israel 14 Syria 1 Iraq 0 Iran 1 US 1

 

List of UN Resolutions Condemning Israel In 2020

In 2020, 50% of UN resolutions concerned Israel, with 23 out of 56 resolutions total mentioning condemnation of the state.

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UN Bias Against Israel: Fact or Fiction?

This proves the U.N. is made up of a host of anti-Semitic countries and is next to no value.

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[blackbird]

29 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

i don't bother to debate with the one who thinks so primitive. Who believe earth was created in 6 days and Adam and Eve created in heaven as humans and then kicked to earth because they eat apple and who reject science and scientifically proven evolution of man.

No proof for evolution exists at all.  Pure speculation.  

Edited September 22, 2025 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

7 hours ago, blackbird said:

The question is will God punish Canada

How will God punish Canada?  Why would He?

Matthew 22:21 "Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's"

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

No proof for evolution exists at all.  Pure speculation.  

Fruit flies.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No proof for evolution exists at all.  Pure speculation.

The most blatantly ignorant statement I've seen you make.
While you're thinking, come up with a list of corrupt dictatorships in the UN of 1947.

[blackbird]

38 minutes ago, herbie said:

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

No proof for evolution exists at all.  Pure speculation.

The most blatantly ignorant statement I've seen you make.

It doesn't sound like you have read anything on the subject.  If you had, you would be making a more intelligent statement.

"How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”¹ Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.² A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?"

15 Questions for Evolutionists · Creation.com

If you are going to comment on this subject, you need to study the subject first at bit.  At least read a few articles on the creation side and at least you will have something more objective to say.  Just making silly insults just shows your ignorance.  You have nothing.

 

[blackbird]

48 minutes ago, herbie said:

The most blatantly ignorant statement I've seen you make.

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1. How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which is present in all life forms), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?
   See:

   • The evolution train’s a-comin’ (Sorry, a-goin’—in the wrong direction).

   • Video on Question 3

2. Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?
   See:

   • Evolutionist Dr John Endler’s refreshing clarity about ‘natural selection’ has been largely ignored.

   • Video on Question 4

3. How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence? Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.  ----   15 Questions for Evolutionists · Creation.com

[herbie]

Quoting ignorance from the ultimate source of ignorance are we?
Two of the same birds on different islands with different food sources have different beaks because The Invisible Man created them simultaneously? Humans races didn't arise from local diets and limited gene pools? Species didn't die out when they reached evolutionary dead ends? 
My God, does the invisible spirit make your omelette rise and your ice cream melt magically too? Determine when brownouts occur and your daily tire pressure?

Get your nose out of the Old Testament and wake up already.

Edited September 23, 2025 by herbie

[Gaétan]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

 

The question is will God punish Canada or the government of Canada and the other countries who are doing the same thing, including the U.N.?

The Bible makes it clear God gave the land of Israel to them in perpetuity.  God said this to Abraham:

"7  And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8  And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."  Genesis 17:7 KJV.

 

 

I don't think God should punish you for the false ideas that were put into your head.

The devil told Jesus that the territory belonged to him, and that he would make Him ruler over it if He bowed down and worshipped him.

Luke 4:5–6 (KJV)

5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

It is not God who gave this territory to them but the devil.

 

Edited September 23, 2025 by Gaétan

[carepov]

9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

West Bank and Gaza is not part of Israel. They were occupied by Israel illegally in the 6 day war. 

Would you agree that these lands were occupied by Jordan and Egypt between 1948-1967?  If so, was the occupation "illegal"?

[Barquentine]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

The Bible makes it clear God gave the land of Israel to them in perpetuity.

Great con job. Why is it ok for us to take your land? Because God said so! Great scam cooked up by some political thinktank.

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Great con job. 

I'm not sure why you would say that.  Can you explain?  

Have you studied the Bible at all?  

What do you think the purpose of your being here in this world is?

Do you believe in the existence of God?  Any thoughts on these subjects you would be willing to share?

 

Edited September 23, 2025 by blackbird

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 hours ago, carepov said:

Would you agree that these lands were occupied by Jordan and Egypt between 1948-1967?  If so, was the occupation "illegal"?

I guess in your books two wrongs make it right, right?

But I was more referring to mass killing of defenseless civilian in Gaza by Israeli army and blockage of food and aid to entrapped civilians for which blackbird is using God to defend those actions.

[blackbird]

21 hours ago, herbie said:

You're really stuck on this invisible Man in the Sky who punishes transgressors concept of God, aren't you?

God didn't define the borders of Israel, the UN did. And claiming people are trying to divide Israel by not recognizing what their govt occupied beyond those borders is a stretch.

How do you know?  Why do we even exist?  Where did man come from?  Apes?

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I guess in your books two wrongs make it right, right?

But I was more referring to mass killing of defenseless civilian in Gaza by Israeli army and blockage of food and aid to entrapped civilians for which blackbird is using God to defend those actions.

Why would you say that?  Where did I say anything about the current war in Gaza?

[CITIZEN_2015]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

How do you know?  Why do we even exist?  Where did man come from?  Apes?

Why would you say that?  Where did I say anything about the current war in Gaza?

Your unjust full support for Israel is not acceptable when they are so oppressive against defenseless women and children in Gaza though I see Hamas more at fault but you also called West bank and Gaza as part of Israel bringing in God to punish Canada for what you called wrong action for recognizing Palestinian State. This dreadful war and hate will not end unless both sides have a peaceful land to live without being bombed everyday.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

Where did man come from?  Apes?

Showing your total ignorance regarding evolution once again are we? Reread about it, you've slept through High School and listened only to some misguided self-=professed 'Christians' preaching on the subject.

You're living in a world controlled by humans, not Deities and to get back on subject the Middle East will definitely not be solved by Divine Intervention.

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Your unjust full support for Israel is not acceptable when they are so oppressive against defenseless women and children in Gaza though I see Hamas more at fault but you also called West bank and Gaza as part of Israel bringing in God to punish Canada for what you called wrong action for recognizing Palestinian State. This dreadful war and hate will not end unless both sides have a peaceful land to live without being bombed everyday.

I think you must know the truth is the Arabs or Palestinians will not recognize Israel and will continue to want to eliminate Israel.  You also have the terrorist groups in Lebanon, Iran, and other places.  Do you seriously think they will stop fighting against Israel?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Showing your total ignorance regarding evolution once again are we? Reread about it, you've slept through High School and listened only to some misguided self-=professed 'Christians' preaching on the subject.

You're living in a world controlled by humans, not Deities and to get back on subject the Middle East will definitely not be solved by Divine Intervention.

How do you think the world and mankind came into existence?  How could something come from nothing without a Creator?

[blackbird]

3 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

This dreadful war and hate will not end unless both sides have a peaceful land to live without being bombed everyday.

Would you say Israel should do nothing and wait until Hamas comes into Israel again and kills 1,200 people and takes 250 hostages again or worse?

Edited September 23, 2025 by blackbird