We celebrate Canada Day while teaching our children to hate Canada

[Barquentine]

5 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

 If you're passionate about politics and have a partisan view it's no different than if you're passionate about sports

It's very different. These are the people we entrust to spend our money, ensure public safety, and hopefully help make life better.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

You still can’t provide names or say how they “hate Canada”.  

You're being pedantic. 

[I am Groot]

8 hours ago, Barquentine said:

In general, our politics are too divisive and partisan, but I think they've always been like that with some exceptions. What's the alternative? 

No, they have not always been this way. Not in my youth and younger days anyway. Things in parliament were considerably more collegial among MPs of all parties. There was more of a sense of dignity to the place and more respect among them. I would say it began to die during the Mulroney rein, brought about by the Liberal "rat pack'.

Things have steadily deteriorated since then. Now we're at the point where the NDP seem to have gladly committed political suicide in a desperate effort to avoid the Conservatives getting into power, despite, on a realistic level, them not really being all that much different from the Liberals on 90% of topics. Yet to hear the likes of Singh and others in the NDP AND Liberals talk, if the Tories had gotten in, Canada would have been instantly plunged into a dystopian nightmare.

[I am Groot]

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 saying that reconciliation is not worth discussing in schools... so that is "we need to stop talking about this" as well - but from your side.

Since Trudeau first started this 'reconciliation' BS, all I've seen and heard is that there has never been more mutual resentment on the part of both natives and everyone else. When your idea of reconsiliation is to tell one side that they're guilty of some horrible crime and then tell the other side they're nothing but oppressed victims, you're going to create anger in both parties. And that's what's happened.

Do you think people like this lead to Canadians wanting reconciliation with natives?

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

 Me neither.  I also don't see anything anywhere that tells people how to feel, at least from official circles.  Individuals may express moral outrage over our relationship with First Nations etc.  but that's just a voice, expressing an opinion.

The people on the left who have absorbed the worst of the progressive belief in social justice and identity politics have turned guilt-mongering into careers. In some cases, literally. They badger everyone at every opportunity and constantly shift the focus of the discussion towards their preferred victim group and the oppression they imagine they experience. It's tiresome.  

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

4.  I don't like myths etiher but I think we have to allow groups to have their myths since G*d knows Christians have 40 loaves and fishes worth.

We didn't sugges their myths are valid evidence in a court before.

5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

6.  Because you are on the other side of the line, clearly.  I don't think asking people to think about something is divisive, but characterizing people who are asking for that as teaching hatred of Canada is more so, IMO.

And you think that the 40% of young Canadians who would gladly have Canada be the 51st state just came out of nowhere?

[LinkSoul60]

28 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

It's very different. These are the people we entrust to spend our money, ensure public safety, and hopefully help make life better.

Of course it's different in that sense.  Your comment though was about divisiveness and partisanship. In that sense I don't see much difference with people's fervor in the analogy I used.  But yes...politicians obviously have a far greater impact on our lives than sports does.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, Barquentine said:

In general, our politics are too divisive and partisan, but I think they've always been like that with some exceptions. What's the alternative? 

I think drafting MPs the way we do jurists would go a long way towards making both our representation and society less divisive. Political parties should be regarded the same way social clubs are. All things being equal if your club is really popular you'll stand a good chance of seeing more of your club members being drafted along the way.

I think an ongoing selection process with smaller local elections would be easier to manage, Parliament  could still keep functioning and partisanship really wouldn't get much traction.

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Since Trudeau first started this 'reconciliation' BS, all I've seen and heard is that there has never been more mutual resentment on the part of both natives and everyone else. When your idea of reconsiliation is to tell one side that they're guilty of some horrible crime and then tell the other side they're nothing but oppressed victims, you're going to create anger in both parties. And that's what's happened.

Do you think people like this lead to Canadians wanting reconciliation with natives?

The people on the left who have absorbed the worst of the progressive belief in social justice and identity politics have turned guilt-mongering into careers. In some cases, literally. They badger everyone at every opportunity and constantly shift the focus of the discussion towards their preferred victim group and the oppression they imagine they experience. It's tiresome.  

We didn't sugges their myths are valid evidence in a court before.

And you think that the 40% of young Canadians who would gladly have Canada be the 51st state just came out of nowhere?

Why Trudeau ?

Harper was part of it too: https://www.rcaanc-cirnac.gc.ca/eng/1100100015644/1571589171655

Nobody is telling white Canadians that they're guilty of crimes, that's hyperbole.

I don't know who Selam Debs is, the individual quoted.

You're critiquing "people of the left" generally, which is fine - I addressed that angle with Graham.

I don't think mythology has been used in court as evidence by anyone.  It would be a pretty easy thing to shoot down.

I imagine the 40% are unhappy with their prospects and a terrible economy.

Anyway... we're not talking about the system teaching people to hate Canadians any more.  We're talking about divisiveness, economy, morality... and all of these fights are happening all over the west.

We've strayed into the general malaise of the zeitgeist...
 

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

I think drafting MPs the way we do jurists would go a long way towards making both our representation and society less divisive. Political parties should be regarded the same way social clubs are. All things being equal if your club is really popular you'll stand a good chance of seeing more of your club members being drafted along the way.

I think an ongoing selection process with smaller local elections would be easier to manage, Parliament  could still keep functioning and partisanship really wouldn't get much traction.

Only a leftist would promote the idea the confidence is not a factor and voting shouldn't be allowed we should just tell people that they're running

[Moonlight Graham]

13 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why does that equate to hating Canada to you?

What % of their post was celebratory and what % is communicating shame and guilt?  Canada Day isn't about bowing our heads in shame, it's a day to celebrate.  The school board is asking its community (students, parents, and teachers) to bow their reads.

Teaching students that they need to bow their heads in shame/guilt on Canada Day, calling them "settlers", telling them to "reflect" and "embrace hard truths" is teaching them what exactly?  That Canada is a great country worthy of celebration?

Now go ask a bunch of college student if they think Canada is a great country or an illegitimate colonial project residing on stolen land filled with a history of genocide, and then ask yourself why they believe what they believe.

[TreeBeard]

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What % of their post was celebratory and what % is communicating shame and guilt? 

Why is acknowledging what happened equal shame and guilt?  
 

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Teaching students that they need to bow their heads in shame/guilt on Canada Day, calling them "settlers", telling them to "reflect" and "embrace hard truths" is teaching them what exactly?

Why do you think acknowledging Canada was settled by Europeans, reflecting on it and embracing facts of what happened to indigenous people is an exercise in shame and guilt? 
 

You prefer it gets ignored?  Or denied that it happened?
 

56 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Now go ask a bunch of college student if they think Canada is a great country or an illegitimate colonial project residing on stolen land filled with a history of genocide, and then ask yourself why they believe what they believe.

I don’t think you actually know what they believe. 

Edited July 9, 2025 by TreeBeard

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Only a leftist would promote the idea the confidence is not a factor and voting shouldn't be allowed we should just tell people that they're running

Only you would imagine this.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Only you would imagine this.

Because nobody else needs to, it's quite obviously fact  

And as usual you can't address it

[WestCanMan]

21 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Things have steadily deteriorated since then. 

IMO the MSM is to blame.

They make all the Jerry Springer moments from the HoC into headline news and ignore everything of consequence. Thank God the chairs are bolted down.

[Chrissy1979]

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

What % of their post was celebratory and what % is communicating shame and guilt?  Canada Day isn't about bowing our heads in shame, it's a day to celebrate.  The school board is asking its community (students, parents, and teachers) to bow their reads.

Teaching students that they need to bow their heads in shame/guilt on Canada Day, calling them "settlers", telling them to "reflect" and "embrace hard truths" is teaching them what exactly?  That Canada is a great country worthy of celebration?

Now go ask a bunch of college student if they think Canada is a great country or an illegitimate colonial project residing on stolen land filled with a history of genocide, and then ask yourself why they believe what they believe.

Have you ever considered the idea that Canada is a great country because it recognizes and acknowledges its history? I’m sure your imaginary college students feel that way.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Have you ever considered the idea that Canada is a great country because it recognizes and acknowledges its history? I’m sure your imaginary college students feel that way.

It used to be that way, but it is definitely not that way anymore. Students are taught to hate the country and many have a very low patriotic sense. There's been a number of polls on this.

Trump breathe some life into Canadian Pride, people rallied a little bit when he's threatened to make them the 51st state. But it's actually still not very high even with that and certainly nowhere near where it used to be historically

[LinkSoul60]

14 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Students are taught to hate the country and many have a very low patriotic sense. There's been a number of polls on this

That is ridiculous.  Exactly how and with what curriculum are students being taught to hate Canada?   Polls my *ss....show one that shows Canadian students with less pride in the country.

Because you wallow in your own sh*t every day and complain about liberals and Carney that doesn't mean everyone else does.  To the contrary....the large majority of ~68% are proud or very proud while ~12% are not very proud or not proud at all.  

[herbie]

You have to go outside and meet people to understand they're all the same and happy to be Canadians.
Sitting at home reading the Nazional Pst, watching FOX news and sucking up to Magats and traitors online leaves you with a negative outlook on everything.

Even lead you to believe anyone else other than those sources are teaching kids to hate Canada.
Sitting in the sun outside the roof over your head with food in the fridge in a beautiful town in a beautiful province in the best country on Earth, thinking about how awful everything is.
Kwicher belly-aching and take your lithium.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

That is ridiculous.  Exactly how and with what curriculum are students being taught to hate Canada?   Polls my *ss....show one that shows Canadian students with less pride in the country.

 

The polls are there and they're not hard to find, and every time I bother sending you a link or giving you actual factual data you turn around and have a little freak out and just call me names. Not much motivation for me to bother to do it for you and you can do it easily yourself. Truth is a significant portion of young people would like to be Americans if they didn't actually cost them anything.

On the curriculums are beginning to move towards how colonials are evil and terrible people and everything we did was bad and wrong. And that's not at all the case. Even the nonsense about the residential schools is so severely misrepresented and overblown it isn't even funny. She were, the residential schools were a horrible mistake that was made in order to conform with the requirements set forth by the king. They took an easy way out and they didn't monitor it after that and they didn't consider how it would affect the kids. And if you want to talk about real horror shows then the medical experiments of the 40s and 50s are legitimate thing to be shocked and horrified about. But the rest of it is severely overblown, most of it is nonsense, And they push the idea that it was some sort of attempt to genocide. Like if we wanted them all dead we couldn't have done it in a month.

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

Because you wallow in your own sh*t every day and complain about liberals and Carney that doesn't mean everyone else does.  To the contrary....the large majority of ~68% are proud or very proud while ~12% are not very proud or not proud at all.  

Oh look, when presented with facts and information you don't like you break down and call me names. How surprising. What a shock.

Well considering that's how you generally end things when you know you're wrong and full of shit I will accept your admission of defeat i'll let you get on with your day.

And once again you want your stupidity to be my fault but it isn't. Your stupidity is your fault

[LinkSoul60]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The polls are there and they're not hard to find, and every time I bother sending you a link or giving you actual factual data you turn around and have a little freak out and just call me names. Not much motivation for me to bother to do it for you and you can do it easily yourself. Truth is a significant portion of young people would like to be Americans if they didn't actually cost them anything.

On the curriculums are beginning to move towards how colonials are evil and terrible people and everything we did was bad and wrong. And that's not at all the case. Even the nonsense about the residential schools is so severely misrepresented and overblown it isn't even funny. She were, the residential schools were a horrible mistake that was made in order to conform with the requirements set forth by the king. They took an easy way out and they didn't monitor it after that and they didn't consider how it would affect the kids. And if you want to talk about real horror shows then the medical experiments of the 40s and 50s are legitimate thing to be shocked and horrified about. But the rest of it is severely overblown, most of it is nonsense, And they push the idea that it was some sort of attempt to genocide. Like if we wanted them all dead we couldn't have done it in a month.

Oh look, when presented with facts and information you don't like you break down and call me names. How surprising. What a shock.

Well considering that's how you generally end things when you know you're wrong and full of shit I will accept your admission of defeat i'll let you get on with your day.

And once again you want your stupidity to be my fault but it isn't. Your stupidity is your fault

That was a pitiful attempt at answering, even by your already low standards.  You have no idea what you're taking about and obviously incapable of critical thinking. Get your partisan head out of your *ss and get some fresh air...

For what it's worth...  not sure where I 'called you names'.  Are you maybe hearing things?

Edited July 10, 2025 by LinkSoul60

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

That was a pitiful attempt at answering

Well that's what you'd expect a liberal twat with no argument and no rebuttal to say.

As always when you can't defend your point you just rely on attacks and insults but all you're really saying is that your buthurt that you're wrong and I'm right.

For what it's worth, I'm not surprised that your short-term memory is so bad that you can't even remember something that happened earlier today. That's in keeping with your mental capacity. 

Unless you mean that wallowing in your own shit is actually a compliment? Perhaps it's a pastime your family engages in regularly? You do kind of give off a bit of a pig vibe  

[I am Groot]

On 7/9/2025 at 1:55 AM, TreeBeard said:

Why do you think acknowledging Canada was settled by Europeans, reflecting on it and embracing facts of what happened to indigenous people is an exercise in shame and guilt?

Why do you think we should acknowledge this every single day? Why should every single public gathering begin with a snivilling whine about how we're on someone else's land and don't really belong here? Why is it necessary to 'acknowledge' that we came here from somewhere else (as did the 'indigenous' centuries ago? Why is every holiday an exercise in 'acknowledgement'? 

This is not correcting history. It is wallowing in white liberal guilt because you're so, so very sad that our ancestors were smarter, stronger, and more sophisticated than theirs.

 

[Moonlight Graham]

On 7/8/2025 at 11:28 AM, Michael Hardner said:

1. The thread is pretty specific.  And, yes, if you're bringing up conspiracies to add to the agenda I can give the response that is: "this is not important".  As for 'unity'... I do think that's an important issue.  If you think it is, then frame the problem properly before starting a discussion.  If you forgot, this thread is about people (apparently) saying that reconciliation is not worth discussing in schools... so that is "we need to stop talking about this" as well - but from your side.

2. Right, and in this I agree with your complaint to a degree and your objection to the fabric of what "Canada Day" is.  But it's a general gripe, and only tenuously tied to what is taught in schools.  I mean, you seem to say "we have a truth and reconciliation day".. so if you agree with that, presumably you want to explain to the kids why they're staying home to watch Paw Patrol that day.  But as a complaint along the lines of "people make too much of this"... yeah, sure.

3. Me neither.  I also don't see anything anywhere that tells people how to feel, at least from official circles.  Individuals may express moral outrage over our relationship with First Nations etc.  but that's just a voice, expressing an opinion.

4.  I don't like myths etiher but I think we have to allow groups to have their myths since G*d knows Christians have 40 loaves and fishes worth.

5.  Agreed.

6.  Because you are on the other side of the line, clearly.  I don't think asking people to think about something is divisive, but characterizing people who are asking for that as teaching hatred of Canada is more so, IMO.

1.  I don't think we need to stop talking about residential schools at all.  If anything, we all need to learn more about it, including students.  As i've said, we need to learn more about our history.  But that includes all the facts, all the important details and context, not just what is the most politically correct to say or what activists what us to believe while ignoring other facts.

My complaint is really how we frame things.  The narratives that are being told to us, and reinforced over and over.  We need to learn about and recognize the wrong about residential schools, even mourn them, but Canada Day is not the day where that should be front and center.  We need at least one day a year to celebrate the good aspects of this country, to come together and feel proud of everything we are and have accomplished, even if it hasn't been perfect.

When college kids come out of school and see Canada as an illegitimate colonial project filled with theft and genocide it tells me what I said about progressives:  they tend to focus on all the negative aspects of things that are "strong".  Throwing the baby out with the bath water.  We need a national narrative that's both truthful and positive.  I also think this would be better for reconciliation.

2.  Ok.  See above, it's about the overall way we frame things.

4.  I don't have an issue with the myth of Turtle Island.  I have an issue with people equating "Turtle Island" with Canada, which isn't even a part of the indigenous myth.  Canada would be considered a part of "Turtle Island".

6.  Again, it's the overall framing, the messages that are communicated over and over.  They affect how we feel about ourselves.  And there's a time and place for everything.  On Canada Day, let's all come together.  For the indigenous we can focus on the fact that we are trying hard on reconciliation and that despite everything we're all still one family, even if we squabble or even have conflict sometimes.  Canada Day can be a day of hope and celebration for that, not mourning.  When activists frame things as "Cancel Canada Day! Don't celebrate the colonial genocidal project!" it's understandable anger but not helpful.  If there's some broken twigs somewhere let's gather them, patch them up, and build, not start a fire with them. 

[I am Groot]

School board trains staff that the term ‘family’ is harmful, racist

Waterloo Region District School Board staff are being trained that the word “family” is a harmful concept rooted in white supremacy.

https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-school-board-trains-staff

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

School board trains staff that the term ‘family’ is harmful, racist

Waterloo Region District School Board staff are being trained that the word “family” is a harmful concept rooted in white supremacy.

https://www.junonews.com/p/exclusive-school-board-trains-staff

Hardly shocking.

I'm sure link so will be around in a moment to explain why he doesn't feel that's a valid example and that it actually proves that schools Treasure family values

Edited July 13, 2025 by CdnFox

[TreeBeard]

On 7/10/2025 at 6:45 AM, I am Groot said:

Why do you think we should acknowledge this every single day?

Who thinks we should acknowledge this “every single day”?

 

On 7/10/2025 at 6:45 AM, I am Groot said:

Why should every single public gathering begin with a snivilling whine about how we're on someone else's land and don't really belong here?

Show an example of a land acknowledgement that states “we” don’t really belong here?  Or do you think every land acknowledgement implies that?  If so, there’s not much point in talking to you about the topic.  Seems like conspiracy thinking.  
 

On 7/10/2025 at 6:45 AM, I am Groot said:

Why is it necessary to 'acknowledge' that we came here from somewhere else (as did the 'indigenous' centuries ago? Why is every holiday an exercise in 'acknowledgement'? 

Where do you go that you see all these land acknowledgements on every holiday?  Thats weird.  Or are you just exaggerating?  
 

On 7/10/2025 at 6:45 AM, I am Groot said:

It is wallowing in white liberal guilt because you're so, so very sad that our ancestors were smarter, stronger, and more sophisticated than theirs.

Smarter, stronger and more sophisticated?   Thats what you would call settlers compared to natives?  
 

Even if they were all those things, did that make it right to take land that was already someone else’s?

Edited July 14, 2025 by TreeBeard