We celebrate Canada Day while teaching our children to hate Canada

[Barquentine]

On 7/1/2025 at 2:32 AM, Moonlight Graham said:

I'll quote the meme saying that isn't it pathetic how Trump united Canada more in a month than Trudeau did in 10 years?

Trump didn't unite Canada. Canadians tend to be quieter about their national pride than Americans. In this case they just decided to be vocal about it.

Just 'cause something's a meme doesn't make it true.

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Barquentine said:

Trump didn't unite Canada. Canadians tend to be quieter about their national pride than Americans. In this case they just decided to be vocal about it.

Just 'cause something's a meme doesn't make it true.

Canadians were extremely badly divided and were not proud of their country. Poll after poll was showing that.

And in fact now that the threat of trump is beginning to dissipate people are already slipping back to that.

The liberals spent the last 10 years caring Canada down, speaking out against it and doing everything that humanly could to divide people for political purposes. And it worked. I see the changes every day. We are an angrier nation, we are a far less patriotic nation, and we are a nation of divided people.

Liberals like to pretend otherwise because their behavior has been so shameful but it is the simple truth

[Barquentine]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The liberals spent the last 10 years caring Canada down, speaking out against it and doing everything that humanly could to divide people for political purposes.

Poilievre made a career out of that and thought it would make him PM. What happened?

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, Barquentine said:

Poilievre made a career out of that and thought it would make him PM. What happened?

. In fact while he was in power with harper national unity got considerably stronger.

I'm afraid it is only the liberals who use those tactics, and what happened is weak minded fools such as yourself allowed themselves to buy into the cult ideas but the liberals sold to try and win political points.

At the nation has suffered horribly under them as a result

Edited July 7, 2025 by CdnFox

[Moonlight Graham]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. No, it's not whattaboutism it's a statement on the way we collectively discuss problems.
2. I don't think anybody knows much about our history, young or old.  It's more like they know about general themes of what the history of the country is.    Maybe that's a problem, but it deserves a serious discussion not a conspiracy theory of left-lib teachers conspiring to make us hate Canada and destroy it.  
3. My guess is that the people designing the system are trying to do that.  You probably don't agree.
4. Keep throwing conspiracy theories out there, Graham, that will help things.  Keep making it about me, that will help things.  If you don't have the discipline to discuss issues with your opponents without saying they hate Canada, you won't be taken seriously and maybe that's a good thing.
5. I agree with you, but demonizing people isn't helpful either.

1. No, it's a statement saying which problems/issues we should and shouldn't discuss according to you.  Your frequent type of argument for problems you don't want people to discuss is "we need to stop talking about this, because problems X and Y are more important".  This is a red herring fallacy, also known as "whattaboutism".  If you'd like to talk about education cuts and tax breaks for the rich (they exist in Canada?) you're free to create your own thread discussing them.

2.  I don't think there's some "conspiracy", which denotes some secret planned agreement among a group of people.  There's a bunch of people in this country, from politicians to educators, typically those we call "progressives", who can't celebrate Canada Day without including an asterisk about how we should feel a bunch of shame and guilt about past wrongs on a day meant for celebration.  We have 364 other days to acknowledge past wrongs, including a holiday in Sept literally dedicate to that.  Canada Day is meant for celebrating this country and all the good it entails.  Sometimes I leave the toilet seat up and snore in my sleep but my birthday party isn't the time to bring those things up.

[Moonlight Graham]

23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

"My ilk" would look at that and ask ... where exactly does it tell people to hate Canada ?

Answer: it doesn't.  

I invite you to attend a school board meeting and tell the audience that the school board 'hates Canada'... You can start your movement there, I suppose.  

If you want to reboot our little discussion and tell me what your issue is that, let's wipe the slate clean and do that.

Read the OP in full and then read the tweet from the school board I posted.  Pretty congruent.

I, for one, don't feel any guilt celebrating this country on Canada Day.  No need to feel shame about celebrating it, no need for an asterisk.  I'm also not "a settler" by definition, I was born in this country.  If people want a word to call non-indigenous people how about "non-indigenous"?  Here's one indigenous person's view on that (where they can't help but throw out some racism of their own):  https://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/article-for-some-the-definition-of-settler-is-as-difficult-to-pin-down-as/

Also, "Turtle Island" is what some indigenous groups called/call the continent of North America, it's not a synonym for Canada, which is a distinct entity.  Maybe we can have a Turtle Island Day and celebrate the continent, do it with the US and Mexico etc. I'm all for "truth and reconciliation" but truth needs to come from all sides.  No more myth-making narratives.

The problem with the left I've noticed (and used to be guilty of) is that they tend to only see the negative in anyone/anything that is strong.  The US, the wealthy, corporations, you name it.  Of course that's because when you're strong you have power, and sometimes the powerful abuse their power and can harm the less powerful, which is fine and good to criticize.  E.g. It's easy to rag on Amazon or Walmart, but you never hear the left talk about the benefits to society from having low-cost and convenient goods from these companies.  Same with the USA.  It's the shittiest country in the world...but compared to which other powerful countries exactly?

For all the good progressives want to do why does so much of their rhetoric seem to divisive?

[TreeBeard]

8 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I, for one, don't feel any guilt celebrating this country on Canada Day. 

Who does?  No one seems to be able to name anyone. 
 

 

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Who does?  No one seems to be able to name anyone. 
 

 

What is #CancelCanadaDay? - BCMA

The case for — and against — cancelling Canada Day - Healthy Aging CORE Alberta

The plot to cancel Canada Day | National Post

And that's just to start. But I'm sure 2 minutes from now you'll pretend like nobody could name anyone again

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Who does?  No one seems to be able to name anyone. 
 

This school board couldn't say "Happy Canada Day" last week without dedicating 90% of their post to acknowledging wrongs towards indigenous peoples.  In fact they didn't even say "Happy Canada Day" LOL.

[Barquentine]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

For all the good progressives want to do why does so much of their rhetoric seem to divisive?

I wonder that too. I also wonder: For all the good conservatives want to do why does so much of their rhetoric seem so divisive?

In general, our politics are too divisive and partisan, but I think they've always been like that with some exceptions. What's the alternative? 

[I am Groot]

On 7/6/2025 at 10:03 PM, Michael Hardner said:

The conspiracy is right in the tag line "taught to hate Canada".

Tell me who was tearing down all the statues of the founders of Canada not long ago, and is still furiously changing the names of streets, schools, and anything else that has a 'colonial' legacy? Toronto is broke and they're still spending money to change the names of places that are named after people who MIGHT have been flawed in some way the social justice collective doesn't approve of.

 

On 7/6/2025 at 10:03 PM, Michael Hardner said:

If you think there are problems with the system, or rogue teachers departing with the curriculum then those are serious issues

If you weren't too intellectually lazy to ever read cites, you'd see the problem is not with rogue teachers but with the curriculum designed by people who want to tear away at the fabric of this country's unity in the name of some grand utopia only they can envision. 

But I suspect you've got the same utopian vision, that if only we can wipe away all traces of Canada's history and culture, we can substitute something 'inclusive' that loves all people equally. Only, of course, in reality, you're likely to get a nation of strangers, as Kier Starmer put it, who will eventually go to war against each other.

 

On 7/6/2025 at 3:12 PM, TreeBeard said:

You can’t be more specific than just saying a bunch of vague groups? 

There's something vague to you about the media? Do I need to provide a dictionary definition of what an academic is? Does the concept of a 'left wing politician' utterly flummox you to the point you're scratching your head in bewilderment?

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

1. Tell me who was tearing down all the statues of the founders of Canada not long ago 

2. If you weren't too intellectually lazy to ever read cites 

3. But I suspect you've got the same utopian vision, that if only we can wipe away all traces of Canada's history and culture ... 

1. I don't know who.  Do you ?  Was it the people who are accountable to setting curricula in Canada ?

2. I have made the decision to not pursue research when there's a red flag from the outset, such as inflammatory language.  We should all be doing that, to filter out the noise.

3. Ha ha ha... so of course it turns to me personally because it's impossible for people to discuss common goals objectively, right ?
 
Believe me, I think you're an asset to this board but both you and Graham succumb to your emotions when dealing with people you see as unreasonable.  I get it - I do too.  But I also have *admitted* to succumbing to TDS, and it's incumbent on all of us to try to lazer focus on what is measurable and doable in this climate.  Only reasonable people will get us through this.

Enjoy your day.

[TreeBeard]

10 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

acknowledging wrongs towards indigenous peoples

Why does that equate to hating Canada to you?

47 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

There's something vague to you about the media? Do I need to provide a dictionary definition of what an academic is? Does the concept of a 'left wing politician' utterly flummox you to the point you're scratching your head in bewilderment?

You still can’t provide names or say how they “hate Canada”.  

[LinkSoul60]

2 hours ago, Barquentine said:

n general, our politics are too divisive and partisan, but I think they've always been like that with some exceptions. What's the alternative? 

No alternative... it is what it is.  If you're passionate about politics and have a partisan view it's no different than if you're passionate about sports....you either love or hate the Leafs, Yankee's or Cowboy's with little in-between.  The divisiveness in recent years has only amped up though which in no way can beneficial to either the country or politics.

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

1. No, it's a statement saying which problems/issues we should and shouldn't discuss according to you. 
 

2.  I don't think there's some "conspiracy", which denotes some secret planned agreement among a group of people.  There's a bunch of people in this country, from politicians to educators, typically those we call "progressives", who can't celebrate Canada Day without including an asterisk about how we should feel a bunch of shame and guilt about past wrongs on a day meant for celebration.  We have 364 other days to acknowledge past wrongs, including a holiday in Sept literally dedicate to that.  Canada Day is meant for celebrating this country and all the good it entails.  Sometimes I leave the toilet seat up and snore in my sleep but my birthday party isn't the time to bring those things up.

11 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

3. for one, don't feel any guilt celebrating this country on Canada Day.  No need to feel shame about celebrating it, no need for an asterisk.   

4. Also, "Turtle Island" is what some indigenous groups called/call the continent of North America, it's not a synonym for Canada, which is a distinct entity.  Maybe we can have a Turtle Island Day and celebrate the continent, do it with the US and Mexico etc. I'm all for "truth and reconciliation" but truth needs to come from all sides.  No more myth-making narratives.

5. The problem with the left I've noticed (and used to be guilty of) is that they tend to only see the negative in anyone/anything that is strong.  The US, the wealthy, corporations, you name it.  Of course that's because when you're strong you have power, and sometimes the powerful abuse their power and can harm the less powerful, which is fine and good to criticize.  E.g. It's easy to rag on Amazon or Walmart, but you never hear the left talk about the benefits to society from having low-cost and convenient goods from these companies.  Same with the USA.  It's the shittiest country in the world...but compared to which other powerful countries exactly?

6.  For all the good progressives want to do why does so much of their rhetoric seem to divisive?

1. The thread is pretty specific.  And, yes, if you're bringing up conspiracies to add to the agenda I can give the response that is: "this is not important".  As for 'unity'... I do think that's an important issue.  If you think it is, then frame the problem properly before starting a discussion.  If you forgot, this thread is about people (apparently) saying that reconciliation is not worth discussing in schools... so that is "we need to stop talking about this" as well - but from your side.

2. Right, and in this I agree with your complaint to a degree and your objection to the fabric of what "Canada Day" is.  But it's a general gripe, and only tenuously tied to what is taught in schools.  I mean, you seem to say "we have a truth and reconciliation day".. so if you agree with that, presumably you want to explain to the kids why they're staying home to watch Paw Patrol that day.  But as a complaint along the lines of "people make too much of this"... yeah, sure.

3. Me neither.  I also don't see anything anywhere that tells people how to feel, at least from official circles.  Individuals may express moral outrage over our relationship with First Nations etc.  but that's just a voice, expressing an opinion.

4.  I don't like myths etiher but I think we have to allow groups to have their myths since G*d knows Christians have 40 loaves and fishes worth.

5.  Agreed.

6.  Because you are on the other side of the line, clearly.  I don't think asking people to think about something is divisive, but characterizing people who are asking for that as teaching hatred of Canada is more so, IMO.

[Nationalist]

Happy Canada Day?

 

Enjoy that Canada...

[TreeBeard]

25 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Happy Canada Day?

Enjoy that Canada...

The alternative to immigrants working is what?  

[Nationalist]

14 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

The alternative to immigrants working is what?  

Jobs for CANADIANS who speak English and want to work. Did you watch the clip? One Indian manager claimed he only hires Indians. 

If that doesn't bother you, then you're a blatant traitor. 

The alternative is to close the fcking border to these...Indian immigrants and take away all the free crap and concessions they've been given.

No more rags covering faces.

No more mid-day prayer bullshit. 

No more crapping in public.

No more free ride.

Edited July 8, 2025 by Nationalist

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, LinkSoul60 said:

No alternative... it is what it is.  If you're passionate about politics and have a partisan view it's no different than if you're passionate about sports....you either love or hate the Leafs, Yankee's or Cowboy's with little in-between.  The divisiveness in recent years has only amped up though which in no way can beneficial to either the country or politics.

You don't see leafs fans: Oilers fans Nazis. We're trying to ban them or cancel them.

The level of hatred is insane.  And a dog piles. The democrats say all of the Republicans are Nazis and deplorables. The republicans get angry and start to strike back at the democrats. It escalates. Pretty soon it's just about how much harm you can do to the other side and has nothing to do with politics.

Historically when you look at it it leads to the end of the civilization in question and something will rise from its ashes. Look at Rome for example.

[LinkSoul60]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You don't see leafs fans

They're everywhere, and the ones who don't admit it, want to be.

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The level of hatred is insane.  And a dog piles.

Agree.  Most every post of yours espouses this.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

They're everywhere, and the ones who don't admit it, want to be.

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying I'm not sure it's relevant

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Agree.  Most every post of yours espouses this.

Exactly. You come here and act like a complete jackass and then are shocked and stunned when I turn around and treat you like a jackass back. You double down on your jackassery and I smack you even harder. While this isn't always the case in history right now it is definitely the left that is provoking the hatred that we see in both Canada and America.

Fun fact, you look around at my post history and when people talk in a reasonable rational fashion making sensible arguments, even once I disagree with, even if I don't like that person I generally respond honestly and with civility.

But I have no patience for Ignorant twats. For me those are just people the point and laugh at, not take seriously.

So yes, my posts to you are a perfect example someone on the left being an ignorant dick and me being a dick back, only to have them shocked and amazed but anyone would be mean to them.

Now go find a safe space with a puppy to hug you useless little snowflake  

Edited July 8, 2025 by CdnFox

[LinkSoul60]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

me being a dick

You got that right....

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, LinkSoul60 said:

You got that right....

Awwww little guy, yow fewwings huwt again?   LOLOL

You're such a child     You go tell your mommy I said you could have a cookie and a nap  

[LinkSoul60]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Awwww little guy, yow fewwings huwt again?   LOLOL

You're such a child     You go tell your mommy I said you could have a cookie and a nap  

My feeling aren't hurt in the slightest...why would they be.  

You however appear to be having a 'moment'....

[CdnFox]

53 minutes ago, LinkSoul60 said:

My feeling aren't hurt in the slightest...why would they be.  

 

Oh I'm afraid it's going to probably require a highly paid professional to figure out your mental health issues but, I'm afraid I'm not qualified to assess brain damage at that level. All I can tell you is that obviously you are.

 

And at the moment I'm kind of laughing at you