Five Percent of GDP? Military? Total waste of money -Reduce my taxes

[August1991]

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

My taxes? Please cut by 5%.

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We Canadians get along.

  

[suds]

I doubt we're going to get along on this one.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, August1991 said:

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

My taxes? Please cut by 5%.

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We Canadians get along.

  

I don't want to give federal transfer payments to quebec. Please take 25 percent off of my taxes

Hey, i like this idea  

 

[eyeball]

Use war bonds. Canadians can put their money where their mouth is.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Use war bonds. Canadians can put their money where their mouth is.

That would still be the government borrowing money which would have to be paid back out of the pockets of taxpayers. It's the same thing, who do you think repays the bonds?

What you're thinking of is donations   Like maybe we could add a tipping feature?  "How did you like your (Invasion of afghanistan) today? 15% 20% 25% "

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That would still be the government borrowing money which would have to be paid back out of the pockets of taxpayers. It's the same thing, who do you think repays the bonds?

Profits and interest.

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What you're thinking of is donations

What you're talking about is no different or better than another social program.

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Use war bonds. Canadians can put their money where their mouth is.

Sure they could ,but in the next Forests fire,earthquake, flood, when they are evacuating people one of the questions is going to be how many war bonds have to purchased....sorry sir you can't go, these services are only for paying members...we do however have some free bicycles over there you and your family can peddle our... 

[Army Guy]

15 hours ago, August1991 said:

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

My taxes? Please cut by 5%.

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We Canadians get along.

  

Then stop electing wingnuts that sign onto these defensive agreements...protest to leave NATO and shut down our military...either way Canadians need to grow a pair and decide what direction we want to go in....instead of killing it slowly...

Like you ever had a choice of where your tax dollars go....

 

[herbie]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

Use war bonds. Canadians can put their money where their mouth is.

I like that idea. I'd buy $100 bucks worth. 

[blackbird]

17 hours ago, August1991 said:

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

My taxes? Please cut by 5%.

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We Canadians get along.

  

How much do you wish to pay for your freedom and a free country?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Profits and interest.

 

You think that profit and interests pay our taxes. Rather than the taxpayers.

Whatever the hell you're drinking should probably be a controlled substance  

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

What you're talking about is no different or better than another social program.

Of course it is. It would be voluntary. When the government does it it's not voluntary, they either take our money to give to someone else again star will or they borrow a future generations money and spend it without their permission. When it's charity that the person is directly choosing to support then it's their choice.

I keep forgetting you've got this communist thing going on where you can't tell the difference between a person's own money and money the government has taken from them by threat of force in the form of taxes.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

I like that idea. I'd buy $100 bucks worth. 

It's how we funded our military in the past.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You think that profit and interests pay our taxes. Rather than the taxpayers.

No profit and interest is how investors get their payback.

18 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I keep forgetting you've got this communist thing going on where you can't tell the difference between a person's own money and money the government has taken from

You keep forgetting you have this contrarian streak that insists you disagree with every single thing a lefty says.

[User]

18 hours ago, August1991 said:

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

My taxes? Please cut by 5%.

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We Canadians get along.

  

Agree or disagree with this military funding, the 5% is of Canadian GDP and has no direct correlation to you having to give anything, let alone 5% of your efforts/savings. 

Sigh. 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, August1991 said:

I do not want to give 5% of my efforts/savings to the military.

No, Quebec has always been useless as far as protecting national security goes. 

They tend to be more of a threat to national security, most of the time.

[Gaétan]

It is a promise they made to the arms industry in exchange for bribes to buy weapons that will not be useful to them.

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

It is a promise they made to the arms industry in exchange for bribes to buy weapons that will not be useful to them.

For once you might be onto something. 

I think that our Libs were getting jealous of all the US congressmen and the way they profit from the trillions of dollars sifting through their fingers and into the military industrial complex. 

Military lobbyists in the US can take congressmen out to $1k a plate dinners to figure out where they should all invest to get filthy rich, while the lobbyists here ask to be taken to McDonald's and say "Can you spare us a few rounds of .556 today, sir? Our soldiers are pinned down and need at least another 8 or 9 bullets each."

[WestCanMan]

What does Carney really wanna do with 5% of the GDP going to our "national security"...? 

For sure he'll be cracking down on social media, and making it harder for companies like Rebel News and True North to stay in business, but how much more of a fascist state are we trending towards here? Is this thing with the US his excuse to bring our country back to where we were during covid?

[blackbird]

Canadians need to wake up!   Russia has proven in the Ukraine it is a terrorist state.  Over 200 prisoners taken by Russia have died from torture or neglect.  The world is a dangerous place.  We need to do our share to protect the west from the terrorist states.  Freedom is not free and it will cost more than tokenism.

[eyeball]

34 minutes ago, blackbird said:

We need to do our share to protect the west from the terrorist states. 

Half of which got their start with support from the west. Who's or what side are you on again?

Let me guess, you don't have a clue what I'm talking about do you?

Edited to add;

It needs to be said much of that support came from...wait for it...

Military budgets...tah da!

I'm guessing you believe economics is a hard science. All you need is a liberal arts degree. WTF is that about?

Edited June 30, 2025 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

No profit and interest is how investors get their payback.

 

That wasn't the question. So it would appear that you did forget that in fact the government is the one that pays that back including the interest. Or perhaps you didn't know that to begin with. I take it you thought some sort of magic investment fairy waved a magic wand and poof, there is profit and interest? You had no idea that that was coming from the government?

Follow up question: do you know where the government gets its money from? Hint: It's not profit and interest

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You keep forgetting you have this contrarian streak that insists you disagree with every single thing a lefty says.

You keep forgetting that you're making that up entirely to cover the fact you said something stupid and I pointed it out.

There is nothing contrarian about pointing out the fact that you can't avoid having tax dollars go to the military by selling bonds because the bonds are paid back with tax dollars anyway.

Once again you have said something mind-meltingly stupid and despite the fact that I was fairly nice about pointing it out and didn't mock you as much as it truly deserved you are instead doubling down on this stupid and you want it to all be my fault  

Hey. Dumbass. If you fund the military by selling government bonds to avoid tax money paying for the military then the tax money pays for the bonds anyway and it's exactly the same thing except with interest.  

Edited June 30, 2025 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

There is nothing contrarian about pointing out the fact that you can't avoid having tax dollars go to the military by selling bonds because the bonds are paid back with tax dollars anyway.

So it's no better and likely worse than any other worthless fricking social program, just like I said.

So....I say we build a gigantic cobalt bomb and tell to world to fùck off -  better dead than red, yellow, white, blue or whatever other flavour possible invaders are.

MAD works and we're nuts not to employ the strategy.

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Half of which got their start with support from the west. Who's or what side are you on again?

Let me guess, you don't have a clue what I'm talking about do you?

Edited to add;

It needs to be said much of that support came from...wait for it...

Military budgets...tah da!

I'm guessing you believe economics is a hard science. All you need is a liberal arts degree. WTF is that 

 I have much to learn.  But I have some idea of some of the threats in the world.  China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran are big threats.  I am not sure the nuclear threat from Iran is gone. 

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

It's how we funded our military in the past.

Where do you get these ideas....Taxes, war bonds were a thing in time of war....along with many other things like rationing, of almost everything....if we can't somehow convince Canadians to pay for our military with taxes which they have NO control off...., just how much do you think bonds are going raise...

[Army Guy]

12 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So it's no better and likely worse than any other worthless fricking social program, just like I said.

So....I say we build a gigantic cobalt bomb and tell to world to fùck off -  better dead than red, yellow, white, blue or whatever other flavour possible invaders are.

MAD works and we're nuts not to employ the strategy.

Who's going to let Canada build a nuclear weapon ?...there are way to many in the world right now...having one does not guarantee your safety...look at Israel, it has been attacked many times by non nuclear nations...

MAD does not always work,If iran was to get a bomb do you think they would not use it....