Say hello to the new boss (Carney), same as the old boss.

Moonlight Graham · May 25

When Carney did his cabinet reshuffle before the election, his new cabinet was a bit different than Trudeau's: no gender equality in cabinet (it was close but not equal).

But his new cabinet post-election? 28 Ministers, 14 men, 14 women. Virtue-signalling and voter pandering over merit and experience. The Liberal way. Carney "the great uniter" is a myth, he listens to the Liberal PR crew just like Trudeau. Nothing like gender wars to create a wedge issue and split a demographic down the middle.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-carneys-cabinet-a-familiar-mix-of-quotas-duplication-and-pork-barrel/

Oh and reducing the PMO's grip over elected MP's? HA!

Edited Sunday at 08:22 PM by Moonlight Graham

herbie · May 25

Oh Gee let's adapt the MAGA whine about DEI and claim Carney's appointing unqualified women just for show.

After all, in a country that's 51% women giving them equal consideration is just more leftist liberal extreme marxist elitist globalist SJW virtue signalling.....

Because it's 2025.
Ten years later and you still don't 'get it'.

Shady · May 25

9 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh Gee let's adapt the MAGA whine about DEI and claim Carney's appointing unqualified women just for show.

After all, in a country that's 51% women giving them equal consideration is just more leftist liberal extreme marxist elitist globalist SJW virtue signalling.....

Because it's 2025.
Ten years later and you still don't 'get it'.

That’s not an argument.

I’m thinking that Carney is going to quickly wear out his welcome to Canadians as well as the media.

Legato · May 25

10 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh Gee let's adapt the MAGA whine about DEI and claim Carney's appointing unqualified women just for show.

After all, in a country that's 51% women giving them equal consideration is just more leftist liberal extreme marxist elitist globalist SJW virtue signalling.....

Because it's 2025.
Ten years later and you still don't 'get it'.

Yes to all.

Chrissy1979 · May 25

2 hours ago, Shady said:

That’s not an argument.

I’m thinking that Carney is going to quickly wear out his welcome to Canadians as well as the media.

That’s not an argument either.

But let me guess. The person who feels women occupying an equal place in society also believes anyone not white is a DEI hire. Obviously the years and years where white men exclusively occupied positions of power was purely merit based?

I like how the fat old white men always think they’re the most qualified, even when they make ridiculously stupid posts like the OP.

Aristides · May 25

I never ceased to be amazed that people are so politicized they wish for a government to fail even though its failure is not in their best interest. Mystifying.

I don't think the Liberals deserved a new mandate but now that they have one, it's in my best interest that they do a good job of making good on their promises. Even though they currently have public support, I think they are on a short leash and will get crushed the next time around if they don't produce results.

Queenmandy85 · May 25

Women are statistically more intellicent than men. So, why shouldn't we have as many women in cabinet as possible? That doesn't mean excluding competent men, but utilizing the superior abilities women bring to the cabinet table is just prudent.

blackbird · May 25

14 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Women are statistically more intellicent than men. So, why shouldn't we have as many women in cabinet as possible? That doesn't mean excluding competent men, but utilizing the superior abilities women bring to the cabinet table is just prudent.

"12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. "

1 Timothy 2:12-15 KJV

According to these verse woman are more easily deceived than men. I will say I have seen many deceived men in the world too, but the principle here is I think that men and women were created with different roles in society. We know they are created biologically different than men, right? You will admit that. Maybe you will agree that they are created to have different roles than men. Men are supposed to be physically stronger while women have the ability to give birth to children and the natural ability to raise children. They are much better at that. I'm not saying they need to be barefoot and pregnant. Just saying there is a difference between men and women which you seemed to miss.

Men have generally held the leadership roles in society all through history. Except I believe some aboriginal tribes have women elders. Not sure if they are chiefs too.

WestCanMan · Sunday at 08:13 PM

7 hours ago, Shady said:

That’s not an argument.

I’m thinking that Carney is going to quickly wear out his welcome to Canadians as well as the media.

😂

You were joking, right? The MSM here has been bought and paid for several times over. Trudeau and Carney could shoot up an elementary school and they'd be forgiven in 3 months.

WestCanMan · Sunday at 08:17 PM

5 hours ago, Aristides said:

I never ceased to be amazed that people are so politicized they wish for a government to fail even though its failure is not in their best interest. Mystifying.

It's not a matter of cheering against Canada. It's a matter of knowing exactly what's going to happen, again, for the 50th time in a row, because we just elected the exact same group of losers and their advisor.

This 'democracy' is a farce.

I'd say that America should take us over, but no doubt we'd just be handing the Dems 50+ electoral colleges votes every election.

North America is better off with Canada just slowly becoming more and more of a sh1thole on our own, and not dragging down the US with us.

Edited Sunday at 08:17 PM by WestCanMan

Moonlight Graham · Sunday at 08:18 PM

17 hours ago, herbie said:

Oh Gee let's adapt the MAGA whine about DEI and claim Carney's appointing unqualified women just for show.

After all, in a country that's 51% women giving them equal consideration is just more leftist liberal extreme marxist elitist globalist SJW virtue signalling.....

Because it's 2025.
Ten years later and you still don't 'get it'.

There's a huge difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome. Women should have every opportunity to compete with men for a job and their gender should not be a hiring criteria, because that's sexist discrimination. Carney and Trudeau have enforced gender quotas in their cabinet picks.

There's nothing "MAGA" about being against discriminating against people on the basis of gender. These are basic human rights in a liberal democracy.

I have lots of competent women in management positions in my workplace. Yes it's 2025, who the heck treats anyone differently in the workplace based on their gender? Only the sexists do. Franky its just weird. A person's gender literally wouldn't cross my mind if I were hiring someone.

herbie · Sunday at 09:49 PM

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Carney and Trudeau have enforced gender quotas in their cabinet picks.

No, as usual in attempting to defend you're stance you've equated meeting an expected result with 'enforcement' of an imagined policy.
One would expect that women should form a near equal amount of any responsible govt anywhere that calls itself democratic. There is no actual policy, law or anything that 'makes' them do so. You're merely making up one in order to whine about the Liberals, no matter how petty a whine that is.

Face it, you're basically complaining there are too many women in cabinet. Don't feel bad though, in a forum overrun with racists, fascists, Indian and Catholic haters, homophobes and Islamophobes, misogyny is only a minor personality flaw.

Moonlight Graham · Sunday at 10:37 PM

Why is Parliament going to sit for only 73 days this year? Aren't we in the midst of a supposed existential crisis with the US, not to mention the gazillion other problems happening in Canada right now? And no budget being tabled? This is a complete lack of governing and accountability.

Moonlight Graham · Sunday at 10:51 PM

48 minutes ago, herbie said:

No, as usual in attempting to defend you're stance you've equated meeting an expected result with 'enforcement' of an imagined policy.

I never said it was a law. It's an internal Liberal Party policy. It's a quota.

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Face it, you're basically complaining there are too many women in cabinet. Don't feel bad though, in a forum overrun with racists, fascists, Indian and Catholic haters, homophobes and Islamophobes, misogyny is only a minor personality flaw.

No, i'm for the most competent people getting the cabinet positions based on ability and merit. If that means the 28 total cabinet positions are made up of 18 women and 10 men then great, who cares? You can't run a country most effectively by hiring based on virtue signaling and pandering to certain demographics for votes. Canada has a ton of problems to be dealt with, this is a time to choose the best people for the job.

Let's stop dividing everyone by race, gender etc and get back to things that actually matter.

Moonlight Graham · Sunday at 11:44 PM

Carney wouldn't allow a secret ballot on this. This is a sad day for our democracy. The PM/PMO will maintain their tight grip on MP's just like Trudeau did. Liberals are such a cowardly and controlling bunch.

Make no mistake: no POTUS has anywhere close to this kind of power over lawmakers. No John McCain-style "mavericks" allowed. You do and vote as you're told in Canada and if you raise a stink you're out of the party.

Chrissy1979 · Monday at 01:29 AM

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Let's stop dividing everyone by race, gender etc and get back to things that actually matter.

Tell that to the guy who wrote the OP.

Moonlight Graham · Monday at 03:19 AM

1 hour ago, Chrissy1979 said:

Tell that to the guy who wrote the OP.

I'm not the one creating gender quotas.

Aristides · Monday at 03:24 AM

7 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not a matter of cheering against Canada. It's a matter of knowing exactly what's going to happen, again, for the 50th time in a row, because we just elected the exact same group of losers and their advisor.

This 'democracy' is a farce.

I'd say that America should take us over, but no doubt we'd just be handing the Dems 50+ electoral colleges votes every election.

North America is better off with Canada just slowly becoming more and more of a sh1thole on our own, and not dragging down the US with us.

You don't know what's going to happen and neither do I. Anyone who would want to join that gong show going on south of us is a complete maroon. We can change our government but become part of the US behemoth and we would have next to no influence at all.

The US is dragging the rest of the world down these days.

herbie · Monday at 03:37 AM

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Let's stop dividing everyone by race, gender etc and get back to things that actually matter.

You're the one complaining gender equity is a Liberal idea, therefore you imply gender equity is something negative and is a flaw in their policy. Otherwise, ehy mention it?
It's similar to saying the NDP is pro-union as a criticism.

CdnFox · Monday at 03:44 AM

On 5/24/2025 at 5:48 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

When Carney did his cabinet reshuffle before the election, his new cabinet was a bit different than Trudeau's: no gender equality in cabinet (it was close but not equal).

But his new cabinet post-election? 28 Ministers, 14 men, 14 women. Virtue-signalling and voter pandering over merit and experience. The Liberal way. Carney "the great uniter" is a myth, he listens to the Liberal PR crew just like Trudeau. Nothing like gender wars to create a wedge issue and split a demographic down the middle.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-carneys-cabinet-a-familiar-mix-of-quotas-duplication-and-pork-barrel/

Oh and reducing the PMO's grip over elected MP's? HA!

I assume you didn't expect anything different.

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

You're the one complaining gender equity is a Liberal idea, therefore you imply gender equity is something negative and is a flaw in their policy. Otherwise, ehy mention it?
It's similar to saying the NDP is pro-union as a criticism.

Gender equality is a liberal idea, it is a flaw in their policy. Or more accurately forced gender equality which is not based on merit is their policy and it's a flawed policy.

We've had that policy for ten years.... look at the mess

CdnFox · Monday at 03:50 AM

21 minutes ago, Aristides said:

You don't know what's going to happen and neither do I.

Yes, we do.

If you do the same thing for ten years, and you get the same result, pretending you won't get the same result doing the same things in year 11 is either a lie or a mental health issue.

They're already predicting a recession later this year, and that was in the works under the last liberal gov't. The current "economic expert" of a pm is taking off to hang in europe and can't even be bothered to do a budget. Guess he's thinking he won't worry about it having to balance itself if he doesn't have one.

Canada's gdp per capita will continue to shrink which is devistating for future gens, housing will remain unaffordable thanks to carney's plan of " housing prices can't go down, we have to make housing more affordable with prices going up" which isn't going to work any time soon, and food prices are already way above average inflation rates again.

Moonlight Graham · Monday at 07:18 AM

3 hours ago, herbie said:

You're the one complaining gender equity is a Liberal idea, therefore you imply gender equity is something negative and is a flaw in their policy. Otherwise, ehy mention it?
It's similar to saying the NDP is pro-union as a criticism.

Treat everyone as individuals. Everyone should be treated the same regardless of race, gender etc. This has been the basis for human rights in our country for a long time. Equity in this case is discriminatory.

blackbird · Monday at 08:20 AM

It's been six month since we had a Parliament sitting. Thank the Liberals. They don't seem to care much about democracy. Whatever benefits the party is all that matters.

WestCanMan · Monday at 02:14 PM

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

You don't know what's going to happen and neither do I. Anyone who would want to join that gong show going on south of us is a complete maroon. We can change our government but become part of the US behemoth and we would have next to no influence at all.

The US is dragging the rest of the world down these days.

You guys were saying that before we found out that he ditched the counter-tariffs.

I told you guys that "You can't base his future plans on what he says he's gonna do because he's got such an established pattern of telling the exact opposite of the truth" but you didn't believe me.

We, as "Canadians", have absolutely no idea what's coming down the pike because Carney has the power to do anything he wants and we have no clue what he's trying to do.

Aristides · Monday at 03:17 PM

58 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You guys were saying that before we found out that he ditched the counter-tariffs.

I told you guys that "You can't base his future plans on what he says he's gonna do because he's got such an established pattern of telling the exact opposite of the truth" but you didn't believe me.

We, as "Canadians", have absolutely no idea what's coming down the pike because Carney has the power to do anything he wants and we have no clue what he's trying to do.

If people don't buy US products there is no need for tariffs. Carney is putting a hold on tariffs for the same reason as Trump, they damage the economy. The power of the PMO has been a problem for a long time, It didn't just start now or with this PM. I'm in a wait an see mode, it's only been a month since the election and parliament hasn't even sat yet.