GO OUT AND VOTE!

[betsy]

Don't get de-moralised by the polls. 

 

Just make sure you go out and vote!

[betsy]

There's reason to believe that the polls we're seeing, could be wrong.  

 

CBC, is subtly associating Poilievre with Trump.  

CBC stated:   Trump is defunding universities unless they change their policies.   Will Poilievre do the same?

To me, that seems like they know that Poilievre could still win!  😁

 

BTW........if there's anyone among the 4 candidates who will crumble and follow what Trump wants, it will be Carney!

Carney had already moved his business' headquarters to NEW YORK,  in January  - as soon as Trump issued a WARNING about tariffs.   Lol - we're not even negotiating yet - they were just warnings, threats!  - and I don't Trump was even inaugurated yet ........

 

...............and there goes Carney,  already succumbing to Trump's threat! 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 19 by betsy

[betsy]

Conflict of interest, is on the table.

That's why the other 3 candidates are pushing him to be transparent and show his assets.   Why does he refuse?

 

That's why I'm saying, we'll end up losing sovereignty if Carney wins!

 

 

Edited April 19 by betsy

[Queenmandy85]

I voted yesterday. It was an hour standing in line to cast my vote. I overheard a few people grunbling about the wait an I thought about the kids who lived in mud that had the consistency and temperature of ice cream and the smeat of things I won't mention. They spent 2 - 3 years in that hell from 1915 to 1918 with other kids trying to kill them. When my Grand Father returner to Canada, he spent a hear in hospital and convalescence. I was able to stand in line for an hour to cast my ballot because of their sacrifice. 

So, yes, thank you Betsy. Get out and vote. 👍

[betsy]

Just got back from voting about a couple of hours ago. 

Long line up, considering the place wasn't even opened yet! 

 

There is this enthusiasm to this early voting!   What does that mean.......which candidate benefit the most from that?

[Moonbox]

I went three times yesterday.  First two times the wait was an hour (polling station was only a block away so I left).  I came back 10 minutes before the doors closed, and just breezed through.  

Usually I would say a high turn out benefits the Liberals, since the Conservative vote is usually more motivated and better mobilized.  Generally the polls error on the side of the Conservatives as well, and it's usually because so many young folk didn't bother actually getting out, and they were typically more liberal.  

This time?  Who knows.  Young men at least are polling more Conservative than they have been for a long time.  

[PIK]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

Just got back from voting about a couple of hours ago. 

Long line up, considering the place wasn't even opened yet! 

 

There is this enthusiasm to this early voting!   What does that mean.......which candidate benefit the most from that?

Tells me people want change and imo these are PP voters. 

[Queenmandy85]

Whether it is Poilievre or Carney who wins, the nation will survive. Both men are competent and will do a fairly good job. We have successfully wagged two wars against the Americans, gonthrough a devastating depression, spent blood and treasure in two world wars and survived at least two deadly pandemics. No matter who becomes Prime Minister, we all win.

We have come to put too much emphasis on a leader and we forget that government is a team of elected officials and seasoned professional civil servants. Always remember, politics is the art of the possible. It is not a magic wand. Election promises are quickly overtaken by events. 

 

[betsy]

1 hour ago, PIK said:

Tells me people want change and imo these are PP voters. 

That's what I was thinking.   These are the folks who had already made up their mind even before Carney came into the picture.  They don't need any more time to think about it.

[betsy]

19 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Whether it is Poilievre or Carney who wins, the nation will survive. Both men are competent and will do a fairly good job. We have successfully wagged two wars against the Americans, gonthrough a devastating depression, spent blood and treasure in two world wars and survived at least two deadly pandemics. No matter who becomes Prime Minister, we all win.

We have come to put too much emphasis on a leader and we forget that government is a team of elected officials and seasoned professional civil servants. Always remember, politics is the art of the possible. It is not a magic wand. Election promises are quickly overtaken by events. 

 

 

The only big elephant in the room in that scenario is that, the people behind Carney are the very same elected people behind Trudeau.

 

 

[betsy]

Polling shows Canadians aren't buying Mark Carney's carbon tax spin

 

 

Edited April 19 by betsy

[August1991]

Betsy,

About 30% of people who file income tax forms, pay no tax.

IOW, about 1/3 of people don't listen to talk of tax cuts. For them, this talk is meaningless.

They love government spending; they don't pay!

[betsy]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

Betsy,

About 30% of people who file income tax forms, pay no tax.

IOW, about 1/3 of people don't listen to talk of tax cuts. For them, this talk is meaningless.

They love government spending; they don't pay!

 

But.....what about the rest who do pay tax?

 

Furthermore................those 30% of people pay taxes, in other forms!  Like, GST.

If you're a consumer, you pay tax!   Who's gonna end up carrying the load of carbon tax that will be applied to businesses and "heavy polluters?" CONSUMERS!

 

Those 1/3 who don't pay income tax are the ones who'll end up losing more......since obviously their income is low that they don't have to pay income tax!   If they're stretching their budget now, they'll have to really stretch it farther when all the tariffs hits, and when hidden carbon taxes come.

Edited April 20 by betsy

[Goddess]

I voted yesterday and I brought 2 friends with me who have never voted before.  But I've been trying to educate them on politics for months now.  We all voted Conservative.  Then we went for breakfast.  We went as soon as the polling station opened and there was no line up, but there was lots of people already there.

I had an interesting discussion with my neighbour on Friday night. (I had a little bonfire in the backyard with friends.)  My neighbour, Phil, is about 80 and he has NDP signs on his lawn.  He said he has voted Liberal in the past (and sometimes NDP) but he won't vote Lib this time because he feels this gov't totally forgot about and ignored the West for the last 10 years.  Phil used to be a nurse and he said the pandemic restrictions went on far too long, long after we knew it was only the very elderly and the very ill who were at any risk.  He said it didn't surprise him when the convoy happened because the Liberals were catering to the laptop class for far longer than necessary.  The laptop class was able to "stay home, stay safe" while the people they looked down on, the peons, delivered Skip The Dishes to them and delivered groceries.  He describes the laptop class as mostly Ontario, while the West has the farmers, the oilfield workers, the ones working to keep the country running and the Liberal gov't shat on all those people.

I asked him how we can get Ontarians to care about the rest of Canada and he said they never will.  They never have.  He said the only thing we can do is turn off the equalization taps.  Stop giving the laptop class the money that the real workers in Canada are forced to fork over.

Even though we are voting differently, I agree with Phil on these things.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, betsy said:

Who's gonna end up carrying the load of carbon tax that will be applied to businesses and "heavy polluters?" CONSUMERS!

That's right, and instead of 90% of those taxes being returned to them consumers will now be carrying an even greater load for subsidies. Paid to heavy polluters for their fancy useless carbon capture and storage gimmicks.

[blackbird]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Paid to heavy polluters for their fancy useless carbon capture and storage gimmicks.

Do you really think forcing industries to spend a large part of their income on carbon capture and storage is going to save the planet or affect the climate?  Who ends up paying for all this madness in the end?  The consumer of course.  This is one of the main reasons Canada does not achieve its potential.

[eyeball]

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Do you really think forcing industries to spend a large part of their income on carbon capture and storage is going to save the planet or affect the climate? 

No FFS! Can't you read?

Why do you think padding their bottom lines with subsidies will be any better? That's what you're voting for.

31 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Who ends up paying for all this madness in the end?  The consumer of course.

And the environment, it pays too.

[blackbird]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

Why do you think padding their bottom lines with subsidies will be any better? That's what you're voting for.

It's simple but I don't think you understand.

Government don't give them for no reason.  Subsidies are given for specific reasons. 

Reasons include the creation of many well-paying jobs in the energy industry and thousands of spin-off jobs.

Generating tax revenue and royalties brings in vast amounts of money.

Providing lower cost oil and gas to other industries and to the consumers.  If it were not for subsidies of various kinds the costs to the consumers would be higher.

[eyeball]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

It's simple but I don't think you understand.

Government don't give them for no reason.  Subsidies are given for specific reasons. 

Reasons include the creation of many well-paying jobs in the energy industry and thousands of spin-off jobs.

Generating tax revenue and royalties brings in vast amounts of money.

Providing lower cost oil and gas to other industries and to the consumers.  If it were not for subsidies of various kinds the costs to the consumers would be higher.

Oh it's plenty simple enough, you sound just like Carney does when he describes how his financing of industry will catalyze greater investments and greater growth in Canadians fortunes.

We'll all be farting in silk in no time no matter who gets elected by the sounds of it.

[Nefarious Banana]

Gigantic national debt . . . nothing to show for it.

Oh well, just pass it off to the grandchildren and their children.

What color is the sky in the Liberal la-la land?

[Aristides]

I went to the poling station at 0900 on Sunday. In and out in ten minutes. A steady trickle of people but not busy at all. A friend who went to the same place on Friday waited over an hour. 

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Gigantic national debt . . . nothing to show for it.

Oh well, just pass it off to the grandchildren and their children.

What color is the sky in the Liberal la-la land?

All true, the problem that Poilievre has is that he can't convince most Canadians that he's the solution.  The cure has to be better than the disease.  Talking about 15% income tax cuts while ragging about the deficit is not confidence-inspiring.  

[August1991]

On 4/20/2025 at 5:02 AM, betsy said:

 

But.....what about the rest who do pay tax?

 

Furthermore................those 30% of people pay taxes, in other forms!  Like, GST.

If you're a consumer, you pay tax!   Who's gonna end up carrying the load of carbon tax that will be applied to businesses and "heavy polluters?" CONSUMERS!

 

Those 1/3 who don't pay income tax are the ones who'll end up losing more......since obviously their income is low that they don't have to pay income tax!   If they're stretching their budget now, they'll have to really stretch it farther when all the tariffs hits, and when hidden carbon taxes come.

Betsy,

I admire your JW, Filipina passion.

I'm not American. I'm a Canadian - I speak French.

[blackbird]

Wow, were we ever fortunate.  Went on Friday afternoon.  They had five or six lines in the gym with each line in front of certain alphabetical letters referring to the first letter of the voter's last name.

My letter/line had nobody lined up while some other lines had ten or fifteen people lined up.  So it only took a few minutes and we were out of there.

Very fortunate since in some cities I saw on the news there long lineups down the street.

Edited Tuesday at 04:21 AM by blackbird

[Gaétan]

I will go to vote on the last day possible because I am afraid that the advance poll boxes will be destroyed and replaced with boxes full of votes for the Liberals.