Poilievre vs Conservatives

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

It was the liberals that left this country weak,and trump is taking advantage of that... 

Again, you're pointing at an issue that is global in its breadth and scope. No one was or could have been prepared for a crazy maniac bent on torching the global economy on fire.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Liberals weakend the country to the point we were vunerable to a trade war ]

COVID, war and inflation weakened the world.

Something you people blame Trudeau for as well but, you're all nuts so....

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

COVID, war and inflation weakened the world.

Something you people blame Trudeau for as well but, you're all nuts so....

Trudeau ran up the highest federal government debt in Canadian history.   Multiply the figures by 1,000 to get the actual debt.  It is about 1.5 trillion dollars.  This is significant because interest must be paid on debt, which must come out of the annual budget.  The more spent on interest payment to service the debt, the less money available for other services.

Edited 12 hours ago by blackbird

[eyeball]

20 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Trudeau ran up the highest federal government debt in Canadian history.

So did practically every other government in their countries history.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

So did practically every other government in their countries history.

So that's your excuse for wrecking the country?

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

So that's your excuse for wrecking the country?

No. And notice we're still a country.

[SpankyMcFarland]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

CTV had an article with several different opinions on what Canadians would do in event of invasion or take over....i find it funny to think Canadians would stand up in some kind of patriotic stand against the world's largest military in the world...Anyone that's even seen an insurgent war knows that it brings nothing but destruction, and death...

You don’t need many personnel in active service units, ie fighters, for an insurgency. A few thousand can cause havoc if they have support among the population. The IRA had about 300 in the field. I think we could manage that from 40 million. 

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So did practically every other government in their countries history.

Nope. Trudeau was already at that level before and after. We went into the Trudeau era only about $500 billion in debt. Before covid started he had borrowed 300 billion.

Covid is long over and while other countries have returned to normal we are still spending at covid levels

So blatant lie on your part. Nobody has done as badly as we have in the industrialized world. And that is before and after covid. 

[CdnFox]

51 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No. And notice we're still a country.

Are we? At least two provinces are seriously considering separation from the divisions are huge. We're barely functional. In fact if trump hadn't come along I would be genuinely worried. Just a year or so ago we were canceling Canada day, pulling down statues, burning churches, And showing any Canadian Pride was considered to be rude.

That was all thanks to the liberals. Who did nothing about any of that I might point out

[Moonbox]

On 4/6/2025 at 10:51 AM, I am Groot said:

But that you'd find this shocking just so drearily exemplifies the rigid, hierarchical dictatorship of parties that has become largely the custom in Canada - and almost nowhere else. The party leader is the absolute dictator and how dare anyone disagree in even the slightest way.

This is where I kind of turned away from the federal conservatives.  The PM's office has always been powerful, but under Harper it solidified into the state it's in today.  Mop head said he'd change that, but he was just as bad but dumber, so actually probably worse.  

My MP is Michael Chong.  He is a common-sense, principled Conservative and won my everlasting respect standing up to Stephen Harper (don't even remember for what now) and lost his Cabinet position over it.  That's when I realized the individual MP barely matters.  The election is about the Party Leader.  

[Moonlight Graham]

PP has not run a good campaign.   Going with Trump-like slogans like "Canada First" when everyone in the country hates Trump amid a tariff war is mind-numbingly bad decision-making.  Read the room dude.

[WestCanMan]

On 4/5/2025 at 5:17 PM, taxme said:

The conservatives do not stick together like the liberals do. The conservatives will always fight among one another.

Conservatives are essentially democratic in nature, unlike Libs, who look to authority figures like Trudeau and Biden as Gods who can never be questioned. 

Joe Biden could have been declared braindead and CNN could stick an iPhone cord into hiss ear and say "Hey, look, It's ringing! Joe's calling us! His voice sounds a lot like George Soros's voice, but that's just how the iPhone picks up brainwaves. Let's hear what the President has to say...", and 100.0% of libs would swear on their mothers' graves that the will of the president was coming out of that iphone.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

PP has not run a good campaign.   Going with Trump-like slogans like "Canada First" when everyone in the country hates Trump amid a tariff war is mind-numbingly bad decision-making.  Read the room dude.

He's running a strong campaign. He's turning out people to his rallies by the thousands rather than Kearney who's turning them out by the dozens.

Despite all the noise that trump is making he is still managing to push through and the polls are beginning to move in his direction.

If this had happened anytime other than when trump was attacking Canada kearney would be able to count the number of seats he was likely to win on his hands

We'll see at the end how terrible poilievres campaign was

[Army Guy]

16 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

That argument just doesn’t fly with normal Canadians.  They don’t want a retrospective on who to blame; they want a plan for a leader who is best able to steer us through the USA turmoil.  
 

A career politician with no work experience and with no legislative record other than voting against everything, or the head of multiple national banks. 

Well no one said anything about Canadians being normal,I mean supporting a party that brought us to this point we are in today, and then continuing to support them as if they were the best ones to bring us back for the edge....Sir, those are not normal canadians those are people who take the short bus to work...

You meant to say a career politician who knows how our government works and can navigate through all those liberal pit falls, and bring the country back from the edge....Or a banker who job performance is questionable, but also made claims he saved Canada from the financial crises and british brexit that guy...... as his net zero initiatives' at the UN and his other interests in net zero company which is on the verge of bankruptcy ....thats the guy we want running the country....

[Army Guy]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

Again, you're pointing at an issue that is global in its breadth and scope. No one was or could have been prepared for a crazy maniac bent on torching the global economy on fire.

Now it is global;, but just a month ago it was not, the liberals gave them a weaken economy, awaken everything really, and trump took advantage of that....you can point fingers at who ever you want...but the liberals did not do us any favors 

[herbie]

It's funny how among the right the word 'weak' is a common theme.
A couple generations cowering about the might of Russia that's revealed as a paper tiger and they now use the militaristic term allegorically to the economy.

After decades of doing pretty well in  world of free trade, with the advent of the Mango Mor0n's unilateral change back to 19th century protectionism, they bawl about the "weakness" of not predicting that as if it was an oncoming asteroid noticed decades before and ignored.

Canada was never a 'manufacturing' powerhouse, I grew up hearing my Dad and my Grandfather proclaim how the lack of manufacturing and secondary processing were major flaws in Canada, how we relied far too much on raw resources.
I worked a couple years building trucks under the old Auto Pact, and NAFTA was what made the Cdn auto industry.
Entire programs were implemented to skill our workers away from simplistic assembly line jobs and leave those to other countries where they could be done cheaper and more efficiently. And those countries became new trade partners to market to.

So WTF is with the m0ronic idea we can only benefit by exporting more raw materials and reclaiming manufacturing we never had? Rather than manufacturing things others don't make and using what we have to encourage new opportunity. AI, communication and data delivery, chip design and production, etc.

FFS if Ontario wants car plants, arrange some partnership to take a closed one and use someone like electroMechannica to build small EVs w Cdn batteries that have 150-200km range to get to work, the grocery store, to soccer practice in. They will sell, and even if the US tariffs them - the US automakers will not build them as their profit margins aren't good enough for their greedy hands.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

You don’t need many personnel in active service units, ie fighters, for an insurgency. A few thousand can cause havoc if they have support among the population. The IRA had about 300 in the field. I think we could manage that from 40 million. 

US special forces , who excel at hunting insurgents down and either killing them or jailing them...and there is thousands of them, then thousands of members of tier two units , and thousands more in Ranger or other units...your insurgency would be over before they had time to take a group photo...To have an effective insurgency you first need a large group of volunteers, that are willing to give up everything, that have been motivated either by deaths of comrades/family or through religious beliefs , or some kind of strong cause...we don't have that here in Canada. then there is funding, and support, see Hamas, Taliban...you need a steady supply of arms and ammo/explosives, shelter....There is more to it than joining a group called wolverines in the movies...

Taliban lost hundreds' of thousands of their volunteer's, not to mention the endless number of innocent civilians that got caught in the middle... then there is the destruction of towns and cities, infrastructure, and we have not even mentioned those Afghans that were killed by the Taliban....we don't have the same culture, a life is sacred to us, where in the middle east it means very little... which is a good thing as we as a nation don't want to travel in that direction.... 

[Army Guy]

3 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's funny how among the right the word 'weak' is a common theme.
A couple generations cowering about the might of Russia that's revealed as a paper tiger and they now use the militaristic term allegorically to the economy.

After decades of doing pretty well in  world of free trade, with the advent of the Mango Mor0n's unilateral change back to 19th century protectionism, they bawl about the "weakness" of not predicting that as if it was an oncoming asteroid noticed decades before and ignored.

Canada was never a 'manufacturing' powerhouse, I grew up hearing my Dad and my Grandfather proclaim how the lack of manufacturing and secondary processing were major flaws in Canada, how we relied far too much on raw resources.
I worked a couple years building trucks under the old Auto Pact, and NAFTA was what made the Cdn auto industry.
Entire programs were implemented to skill our workers away from simplistic assembly line jobs and leave those to other countries where they could be done cheaper and more efficiently. And those countries became new trade partners to market to.

So WTF is with the m0ronic idea we can only benefit by exporting more raw materials and reclaiming manufacturing we never had? Rather than manufacturing things others don't make and using what we have to encourage new opportunity. AI, communication and data delivery, chip design and production, etc.

FFS if Ontario wants car plants, arrange some partnership to take a closed one and use someone like electroMechannica to build small EVs w Cdn batteries that have 150-200km range to get to work, the grocery store, to soccer practice in. They will sell, and even if the US tariffs them - the US automakers will not build them as their profit margins aren't good enough for their greedy hands.

 

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

It's funny how among the right the word 'weak' is a common theme.
A couple generations cowering about the might of Russia that's revealed as a paper tiger and they now use the militaristic term allegorically to the economy.

After decades of doing pretty well in  world of free trade, with the advent of the Mango Mor0n's unilateral change back to 19th century protectionism, they bawl about the "weakness" of not predicting that as if it was an oncoming asteroid noticed decades before and ignored.

Canada was never a 'manufacturing' powerhouse, I grew up hearing my Dad and my Grandfather proclaim how the lack of manufacturing and secondary processing were major flaws in Canada, how we relied far too much on raw resources.
I worked a couple years building trucks under the old Auto Pact, and NAFTA was what made the Cdn auto industry.
Entire programs were implemented to skill our workers away from simplistic assembly line jobs and leave those to other countries where they could be done cheaper and more efficiently. And those countries became new trade partners to market to.

So WTF is with the m0ronic idea we can only benefit by exporting more raw materials and reclaiming manufacturing we never had? Rather than manufacturing things others don't make and using what we have to encourage new opportunity. AI, communication and data delivery, chip design and production, etc.

FFS if Ontario wants car plants, arrange some partnership to take a closed one and use someone like electroMechannica to build small EVs w Cdn batteries that have 150-200km range to get to work, the grocery store, to soccer practice in. They will sell, and even if the US tariffs them - the US automakers will not build them as their profit margins aren't good enough for their greedy hands.

You really got to start using the quote feature, nobody knows who your going on about....

[SpankyMcFarland]

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Taliban lost hundreds' of thousands of their volunteer's, not to mention the endless number of innocent civilians that got caught in the middle... then there is the destruction of towns and cities, infrastructure, and we have not even mentioned those Afghans that were killed by the Taliban....we don't have the same culture, a life is sacred to us, where in the middle east it means very little... which is a good thing as we as a nation don't want to travel in that direction.... 

We’ve seen solo bombing campaigns that have continued for years with much less justification, eg the Unabomber. Don’t underestimate our ingenuity and resilience. The more fragmented and cellular the campaign is the harder it will be for the Americans to join the dots. BTW I don’t know why any patriotic Canadian wouldn’t want to see resistance if we were invaded by a foreign power. I’ll leave you with these words:

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We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender. 

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

We’ve seen solo bombing campaigns that have continued for years with much less justification, eg the Unabomber. Don’t underestimate our ingenuity and resilience. The more fragmented and cellular the campaign is the harder it will be for the Americans to join the dots. BTW I don’t know why any patriotic Canadian wouldn’t want to see resistance if we were invaded by a foreign power. I’ll leave you with these words:

 

 

 

Realistically, if the Americans can't secure their borders in peacetime I don't see how it would be remotely possible to hope to do so in Wartime

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Now it is global;, but just a month ago it was not, the liberals gave them a weaken economy, awaken everything really, and trump took advantage of that....you can point fingers at who ever you want...but the liberals did not do us any favors 

So why is Trump backing off on us all of a sudden? My guess is he either senses we're in a better position than meets the eye and more likely he knows his position is weaker and based on bluff and bluster.

[Legato]

3 hours ago, eyeball said:

So did practically every other government in their countries history.

"bout what.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

We’ve seen solo bombing campaigns that have continued for years with much less justification, eg the Unabomber. Don’t underestimate our ingenuity and resilience. The more fragmented and cellular the campaign is the harder it will be for the Americans to join the dots. BTW I don’t know why any patriotic Canadian wouldn’t want to see resistance if we were invaded by a foreign power. I’ll leave you with these words:

 

 

 

Different time, different people, Todays Canadians are not made of the same material as they were back then...Once war comes to our country most of the bravado seen here will disappear....The invasion would happen so fast i doubt very much there would be any Casualties...As for the insurgency, not going to happen....there is just not enough will to start one or carry it out for a protracted time...You might have a point if it were Russians or chinese, but not much is going to change under American occupation....sure a few will try and a few will die in the attempt...after that what...a full 5 th of canadians want to be americans themselves...By the time Canadian military reacted, Americans would already be on their bases, limiting the response....If Canadians were worried about their security they have a funny way of showing it....and it is not like Canadians are patriotic, i might see one or two Canadian flags flying in front of some houses....travel through the states, and you'll see what patriotism looks like...

You would get a much larger reaction/ insurrection if you closed all the beer stores on the long weekend...

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

So why is Trump backing off on us all of a sudden? My guess is he either senses we're in a better position than meets the eye and more likely he knows his position is weaker and based on bluff and bluster.

puff , puff, pass...

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, herbie said:

It's funny how among the right the word 'weak' is a common theme.
A couple generations cowering about the might of Russia that's revealed as a paper tiger and they now use the militaristic term allegorically to the economy.

Holy stupid f-tards Batman!

This clown spent 4 years crying about Russian collusion and now he's accusing conservatives of being scared of Russia...