AT LEAST 1 in 5 Canadian Conservatives Support Becoming 51st State: Angus Reid Poll

[BeaverFever]

…With U.S. President Donald Trump threatening to tariff Canada into submission as the “51st state,” 92 per cent of Americans surveyed by the Angus Reid Institute said they had no, or only qualified, support for a merger.

Sixty per cent of 2,005 Americans questioned online between Feb. 27 and March 3, 2025, said they had no interest in Canada joining the United States, while another 32 per cent said they would support the idea only if Canadians wanted it.

Canadians polled at the same time came in exactly as they had in a previous poll conducted in January 2025: of 2,005 surveyed, a solid 90 per cent rejected the idea of Canada joining the U.S., with 10 per cent saying yes.

The findings are considered accurate to within two percentage points either way, 19 times out of 20.

Just six per cent of the Americans polled said the U.S. should annex Canada using political and economic pressure, while two per cent supported the idea of using military force to do the job.

The data also suggests Trump is out of step with his own voters on the issue: 44 per cent of Trump voters said they weren’t interested in Canada joining the United States at all, while another 42 per cent said they would only want Canada to join the U.S. if Canadians wanted to (Democratic voters polled 77/21).

Twelve per cent of Trumpers said they supported applying political and economic pressure to bring Canada in, while two per cent advocated military force.

 

The breakdown by Canadian party affiliations showed 21 per cent of Conservative respondents said yes to a merger with the U.S., while 99 per cent of Bloc Quebecois, 98 per cent of Liberal, and 97 per cent of New Democratic Party supporters said no.

The percentage of Conservatives who said they would support a merger rose to 33 per cent when presented with the prospect of a Liberal majority government in Ottawa after the April 28 federal election.

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https://legionmagazine.com/overwhelming-majority-of-americans-oppose-51st-state-talk/

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

…With U.S. President Donald Trump threatening to tariff Canada into submission as the “51st state,” 92 per cent of Americans surveyed by the Angus Reid Institute said they had no, or only qualified, support for a merger.

Sixty per cent of 2,005 Americans questioned online between Feb. 27 and March 3, 2025, said they had no interest in Canada joining the United States, while another 32 per cent said they would support the idea only if Canadians wanted it.

Canadians polled at the same time came in exactly as they had in a previous poll conducted in January 2025: of 2,005 surveyed, a solid 90 per cent rejected the idea of Canada joining the U.S., with 10 per cent saying yes.

The findings are considered accurate to within two percentage points either way, 19 times out of 20.

Just six per cent of the Americans polled said the U.S. should annex Canada using political and economic pressure, while two per cent supported the idea of using military force to do the job.

The data also suggests Trump is out of step with his own voters on the issue: 44 per cent of Trump voters said they weren’t interested in Canada joining the United States at all, while another 42 per cent said they would only want Canada to join the U.S. if Canadians wanted to (Democratic voters polled 77/21).

Twelve per cent of Trumpers said they supported applying political and economic pressure to bring Canada in, while two per cent advocated military force.

 

 

The breakdown by Canadian party affiliations showed 21 per cent of Conservative respondents said yes to a merger with the U.S., while 99 per cent of Bloc Quebecois, 98 per cent of Liberal, and 97 per cent of New Democratic Party supporters said no.

The percentage of Conservatives who said they would support a merger rose to 33 per cent when presented with the prospect of a Liberal majority government in Ottawa after the April 28 federal election.

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https://legionmagazine.com/overwhelming-majority-of-americans-oppose-51st-state-talk/

CPC is Trumpy AF

even as a Canadian - American dual citizen,  I will vote for the Liberals,

 not even the MAGA Republican base favours annexing Canada,

no bible thumping gun toting pick up driving American wants Commie Canada to join the Union

[herbie]

Good. Write to Trumpy and tell him to f*ck off with that nonsense then.

[Dougie93]

22 minutes ago, herbie said:

Good. Write to Trumpy and tell him to f*ck off with that nonsense then.

I'm a Reaganite Neoconservative, so MAGA pays no attention to me,

I would actually vote Democrat at this juncture, if they stopped being Woke Progressive lunatics that is

when the Democrats realize that DEI, LGBTQ+ & Greta Thunberg is bringing them down,

then they might win the elections again,

in the meantime, I'll just wait out ; standing by

Edited March 27 by Dougie93

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm a Reaganite Neoconservative, so MAGA pays no attention to me,

They hate your guts, even though they really don't it or why. But you're the arseholes who thought it would be a good idea to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China.

31 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would actually vote Democrat at this juncture, if they stopped being Woke Progressive lunatics that is

when the Democrats realize that DEI, LGBTQ+ & Greta Thunberg is bringing them down,

then they might win the elections again,

in the meantime, I'll just wait out ; standing by

Is it just me or has woke basically evaporated as an issue in Canada? I've seen squat mentioned about it in election campaign coverage or stump speeches.

Seems like a Randy White issue - hands off lest someone fùck things up like Danielle Smith.

The LGBTQ+ crew is probably enjoying a quiet break from the political spotlight.

 

[WestCanMan]

I would rather have Trump for a president than Carney as a PM.

Our vax-Nazi LPOC can go to hell. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, eyeball said:

They hate your guts, even though they really don't it or why. But you're the arseholes who thought it would be a good idea to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China.

I'm not an economic nationalist, Globalism has been very good to me, I don't vote with the industrial unions,

 I don't give a fack about the Canadian Auto Workers;  give me my Chinese EV tariff free

BYD is better than Telsa, BYD has an EV for $70K which is faster than a Lamborghini,

Canada is already a culturally Communist country ; so no reason to reject the Chinese anymore,

never mind that the Americans are deeply invested in China

while forcing Canada to raise tariffs  against China therein, stop being patsies already

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Is it just me or has woke basically evaporated as an issue in Canada? I've seen squat mentioned about it in election campaign coverage or stump speeches.

no, the institutions are still Woke AF,

but Canada is beyond saving therein, so that's a wash in Canada, no party is going to confront it

[CouchPotato]

Four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/43-percent-canadians-would-vote-be-american-if-citizenship-and-conversion-assets-usd-guaranteed

[BeaverFever]

18 minutes ago, CouchPotato said:

Four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/43-percent-canadians-would-vote-be-american-if-citizenship-and-conversion-assets-usd-guaranteed

Yeah but that’s the stupid celebrity and social media obsessed age demographic that doesn’t know shit about the world and only cares about partying and shopping  and self-gratification and following whatever stupid trend is going viral, and that commits most of society’s crime. 
 

I bet you could dissect that data further and find that even within that group support for joining US goes down the older they get

[PIK]

1 in 5 ( 20 %) Americans want their states to join Canada.

[Legato]

I would like to know how many would like to become the thirty fifth province of China.

Seems like our "government" is all in.

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm not an economic nationalist, Globalism has been very good to me, I don't vote with the industrial unions,

 I don't give a fack about the Canadian Auto Workers;  give me my Chinese EV tariff free

BYD is better than Telsa, BYD has an EV for $70K which is faster than a Lamborghini,

Canada is already a culturally Communist country ; so no reason to reject the Chinese anymore,

never mind that the Americans are deeply invested in China

while forcing Canada to raise tariffs  against China therein, stop being patsies already

I wonder if Canada’s smartest move is to let all the Chinese manufacturers in on condition of joint ownership with our parts manufacturers.  Just let the Yanks tax their citizens with tariffs and pay far more money for cars that are going to lose their quality as competition dwindles due to US protectionism.

If we do this we have to go big and ensure that our infrastructure allows for international exports and domestic consumption of our oil and gas. Basically we have to gear up for total independence from the U.S., including eventually militarily.  It’s going to require massive investment and take time.  Interestingly, Carney was talking today about a complete reorientation of Canada’s economy.  I’m surprised that he’s thinking on that level.  It’s middle power thinking, as though we have the wealth of a UK or France instead of a modern Roman province. I believe he’s right.

Carney’s globalism can create new alliances for Canada, but there’s a risk that Canada becomes beholden to unaccountable international bodies like the UN.  We see this with our membership in UNDRIP and our signing of international agreements that lock us into commitments that are potentially crippling.

Carney was on the right track saying that no other country can take more away from Canada than what we can build for ourselves.  That was a pretty profound statement, but is he really willing to assert Canada’s interests over all other international interests?  I’m not sure.  I’m still in Poilievre’s Canada First camp for that reason and because I think that the Liberals have done far too much damage over the last decade to be trusted at the helm for some time.

If we do get a Liberal government, my only hope is that it’s a minority that can’t be turned into a majority with NDP or Bloc support.  It would mean that essentially the Libs would have to work with the Conservatives to get anything done.  That would give Carney a chance to be PM of a much more centrist government than we’ve had for a decade.

I still think Poilievre has earned the chance to be PM.  Any Canadian government is going to have to scrap all fluff and woke nonsense and get hyper-focused on redirecting industry towards a massive energy and transport infrastructure program that boosts employment and sets the conditions for an east-west economy oriented away from the U.S. 

Edited March 28 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/43-percent-canadians-would-vote-be-american-if-citizenship-and-conversion-assets-usd-guaranteed

I would say that if Canadians could convert their Canadian dollars at par with the USD, that would be a big incentive, but don’t forget that simply converting to a state would essentially reduce our political representation within a much bigger country.

It also gives Americans unassailable access to our huge resource and land assets.  Diane Francis wrote about this and said that Canada should only join the U.S. if Canadians are essentially paid for it.  I don’t see the Yanks doing that unless the price was relatively small.

The bottom line is that Canadians don’t want to give up their sovereignty.  I also don’t think they’ll give up their healthcare or gun control.

Americans won’t accept a flood of new Democratic representatives into their Congress.

That leaves economic union as the only acceptable option for further integration of our economies, but I’m not even sure Canadians are receptive to any other option right now than increasing our independence from the U.S.

Most Canadians and probably most people around the world don’t think they can trust the U.S. to keep promises right now and no one wants to be at the mercy of unpredictable destructive forces.

Edited March 28 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

CPC is Trumpy AF

even as a Canadian - American dual citizen,  I will vote for the Liberals,

 not even the MAGA Republican base favours annexing Canada,

no bible thumping gun toting pick up driving American wants Commie Canada to join the Union

Well that's because you're a commie traitor who hates the country and has said so many times including earlier tonight. 

And btw - 20 percent isn't "the conservatives".  It's a small percent of conservatives. 

And as the other polls show it's a lot of liberals too among the young people. 

Don't worry about it. It's a canadian problem and you're a scumbag loser who has already promised he wouldn't pretend to be Canadian.  Not your problem

[Dougie93]

11 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I wonder if Canada’s smartest move is to let all the Chinese manufacturers in on condition of joint ownership with our parts manufacturers.  Just let the Yanks tax their citizens with tariffs and pay far more money for cars that are going to lose their quality as competition dwindles due to US protectionism.

well bear in mind that the American Autoworkers union has come out in support of Trump's auto tariffs,

so much for solidarity forever, but the American union is throwing the Canadian union under the bus,

then Canada's Prime Minister has just stated definitively;

"the military & economic relationship between Canada & America is over"

realistically, you're not going to make up the difference exporting to Europe,

so Canada really only has one place to go, and that is to Beijing,

the 100% tariff on Chinese EV's was for America,  it was America who demanded that tariff,

so the question is how long are you going to defend the American automakers at this point ?

Edited March 28 by Dougie93

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

Four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed

https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/43-percent-canadians-would-vote-be-american-if-citizenship-and-conversion-assets-usd-guaranteed

Because of what the Liberals have done to their future chances here. And what they are continuing to do in importing masses of immigrants to crowd into available housing and healthcare lines and take their jobs.

[I am Groot]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The bottom line is that Canadians don’t want to give up their sovereignty.  

We are already losing our sovereignty to foreigners who are flooding in, not integrating, and slowly taking over the country.  We are forecast to be a minority in this country in fifteen years. The foreign-born will be in complete control then.

[CdnFox]

23 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Because of what the Liberals have done to their future chances here. And what they are continuing to do in importing masses of immigrants to crowd into available housing and healthcare lines and take their jobs.

Precisely. Our kids on both side of the fence politically up here look at America and see a strong nation that can't be bullied. They see a place where young people can still afford to own a home and raise a family. They see opportunity and low taxes and they think that that would be a better place to be.

They're probably looking at it through rose colored glasses but who can blame them? The future for them in Canada is Bleak, even if things go well it's not going to be like it was in past generations. The damage that's been done is far too extensive.

The liberals have created a country where our young people would rather be American. That is a simple fact we have to deal with right now and that's the way it is and it's not about being conservative

[Iceni warrior]

17 hours ago, eyeball said:

They hate your guts, even though they really don't it or why. But you're the arseholes who thought it would be a good idea to ship all the manufacturing jobs to China.

 

That would be Thatcher and Reagan. The mother and father of globalisation.

''There is no alternative'' as Maggie famously pronounced on he subject.

Quote

The slogan was often used by Thatcher. The phrase is used to signify Thatcher's claim that the market economy is the best, right and only system that works, and that debate about this is over. One critic characterized the meaning of the slogan as: "Globalised capitalism, so called free markets and free trade were the best ways to build wealth, distribute services and grow a society's economy. Deregulation's good, if not God." By contrast, Thatcher described her support of markets as flowing from a more basic moral argument; specifically, she argued that the market-principle of choice flows from the moral principle that for human behavior to be moral requires free choice by people.

 

[Iceni warrior]

49 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We are already losing our sovereignty to foreigners who are flooding in, not integrating, and slowly taking over the country.  We are forecast to be a minority in this country in fifteen years. The foreign-born will be in complete control then.

TBF unless you are Inuit, Métis or First Nations you are all foreigners.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

TBF unless you are Inuit, Métis or First Nations you are all foreigners.

TBF even if you are those you're STILL  a foreigner.  There are no natives. 

[CouchPotato]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Yeah but that’s the stupid celebrity and social media obsessed age demographic that doesn’t know shit about the world and only cares about partying and shopping  and self-gratification and following whatever stupid trend is going viral, and that commits most of society’s crime. 

I think that is a pretty dismissive attitude. Sure, people at that age tend to lack some wisdom, but 43% is not a small number. I don't think that can simply be attributed to hedonism and social media. I think young people see no future in Canada. Instead of addressing that concern they are being ignored.

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I bet you could dissect that data further and find that even within that group support for joining US goes down the older they get

No doubt. I still think it's unwise to just ignore something like this. It certainly wasn't popular to desire to become American when I was in my 20s. I don't think it ever was at any time before. I am not active on social media myself but I do read it. I see a lot of young people encouraging each other to move to the US.

Edited March 28 by CouchPotato

[SpankyMcFarland]

You’ll get 1 in 5 people to agree to anything in a well worded poll. I’d say most of them haven’t thought this through. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

well bear in mind that the American Autoworkers union has come out in support of Trump's auto tariffs,

so much for solidarity forever, but the American union is throwing the Canadian union under the bus,

then Canada's Prime Minister has just stated definitively;

"the military & economic relationship between Canada & America is over"

realistically, you're not going to make up the difference exporting to Europe,

so Canada really only has one place to go, and that is to Beijing,

the 100% tariff on Chinese EV's was for America,  it was America who demanded that tariff,

so the question is how long are you going to defend the American automakers at this point ?

Right, and Carney is also talking about complete made in Canada supply chains for Canadian auto production, which is an inefficient alternative to the current supply chain which takes advantage of centres of excellence and locally available resources.  You end up with a factory on each side of the border producing the same vehicles merely to dodge tariffs.  It’s just not smart business.  Of course no one country, including the USA, can produce every model of vehicle in existence, so the range of affordable options to consumers decreases along with competitiveness, making cars less cutting edge, because the market is artificially controlled Soviet style.

At least Carney is only proposing this as as a response to tariffs. I would suggest building 2 or 3 models of Canadian vehicles that aren’t made anywhere else, so that they can be sold both for export and domestically.  They have to be special and meet the needs of most consumers, so basically a small fuel efficient vehicle, a larger family sedan, and/or a crossover family car.  Make hybrid and EV versions.  I wouldn’t duplicate any existing products.  I’m sure China and other international players could be partners in some of this work.  Maybe bringing in the full battery of Chinese autos and signing a security agreements with China is an option we need to keep on the table.

Diminished production resulting from tariffs in the auto and steel and aluminum industries should be directed to important long-term infrastructure, trade, security, and national independence needs: east-west pipelines, refineries, LNG ports, high-speed rail, military expansion, northern bases and ports.  There’s plenty of work for these industries to do without having to pay people to stay home or pay companies to shutter facilities.

The test for Carney is whether he can prioritize the Canadian economy over his Net Zero international interests, which are radically stakeholder capitalist.

We’re going to have to gear up for total independence from the US market and security arrangement while crafting a potential long-term trade pact with the US from a position of strength, understanding that the U.S. could renege at any time. Tall order but what choice is there?