Is Prime Minister Mark Carney a closet Conservative ?

[Boges]

DoFo has said he won't campaign for PP. 

This will be one of the most historic political collapses in history. 

PP and the CPC peaked too early. I think Canadians see this group of LPC cabinet ministers as fighting for them. They associate PP with Trumpism. 

I'm usually a CPC supporter but it'll be a hard sell to make me believe PP can lead this country better than Mark Carney. 

[Nefarious Banana]

12 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Carney has a PHD in economics from Oxford. PP has a BA in international relations.

Former Conservative PM Stephen Harper has a Bachelor's & Master's degree in economics . . . 

Former Liberal PM Justin Trudeau . . . "the budget will balance itsself"

[TreeBeard]

2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Former Liberal PM Justin Trudeau . . . "the budget will balance itsself"

So you’re voting for Carney then, since you think an economics background is an important asset for the PM.  Makes sense. 

[Nefarious Banana]

6 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re voting for Carney then, since you think an economics background is an important asset for the PM.  Makes sense. 

Ahhhhh . . . .the Master of Assumption  has surfaced once more.  Welcome.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Carney has a PHD in economics from Oxford. PP has a BA in international relations.

Carney got that degree 40 some odd years ago and never used it. Poilievre has been directly involved in the management of Canada's economic portfolio for many many years and learned his trade under the harper administration, arguably the most fiscally responsible and effective administration this country has ever seen. And still has direct access to all of those resources as well if he feels he needs more advice

I haven't heard anything this ridiculous since your kind argued that Justin Trudeau had all of the experience he needed to run the government given the fact that he was a part-time drama teacher previously.

50 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re voting for Carney then, since you think an economics background is an important asset for the PM.  Makes sense. 

Carney does not have an economic background. Carney has a background in monetary policy and not a very good track record in it and incorporate investment which puts him at a conflict of interest

Swing and a miss

[herbie]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The Canadian Conservative Party today is further to the Left than the Progressive Conservatives were, both fiscally and socially

You are seriously demented.

[herbie]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Carney got that degree 40 some odd years ago and never used it.

Are you stupid or just a compulsive liar? Bank of Canada, Bank of England, on the Board of how many companies and 'never used' his degree. ROFL

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Are you stupid or just a compulsive liar? Bank of Canada, Bank of England, on the Board of how many companies and 'never used' his degree. ROFL

Oh dear.  Another leftie that needs this explained. 

BOC and BOE are not "economist" jobs.  They are monetary policy jobs.  Economists work for the gov't not the national bank by and large. Their job is to hit inflationary targets and manage the money supply.  I've posted all this earlier complete with links and such. 

The board of a business has zero to do with being an economist.  Otherwise trump would be a great economist. He's on tonnes of boards. 

So sorry kiddo.  But hey, at least you learned something  

[Reg Volk]

Trump just endorsed Carney for the second time this morning.  He knows Carney and the Liberals are weak, stupid, and just plain weasels.  He wants Carney to win, because it will be great for the USA if Canada continues to be governed by the same fools who have broken this country over the past 10 years.  If you vote for Carney, you're a treasonous traitor to Canada.

[Queenmandy85]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

But hey, at least you learned something  

I learned something. Special thanks to CanFox. Since CanFox and I disagree on almost everything and he has been actively saying I am a Liberal, I joined the Liberal Party of Canada in order to vote for Mr. Carney. Mr. Carney is the closest thing to a Red Tory in the race. I have always known I am influential, but I had no idea my joining the LPC could add 135 Liberal seats in less than two months. 

I have to hand it to Pierre, it takes a special talent to blow a 197 seat lead. I realise Poilievre will win a majority, because election writs change everything, but his inability to adapt to changing conditions tells me that in a crisis, he will freeze again.

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Mr. Carney is the closest thing to a Red Tory in the race.

Cuidich 'n Righ

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I learned something. Special thanks to CanFox. Since CanFox and I disagree on almost everything and he has been actively saying I am a Liberal, I joined the Liberal Party of Canada in order to vote for Mr. Carney. Mr. Carney is the closest thing to a Red Tory in the race. I have always known I am influential, but I had no idea my joining the LPC could add 135 Liberal seats in less than two months. 

LOL  well we'll see if that's how it pans out.   But good for you for participating at least. While i may not agree with your choice i do agree that everyone should participate and have their personal beliefs reflected in the party leadership. 

Oh and kid? You were a liberal before I showed up   But at least now you admit it  

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I have to hand it to Pierre, it takes a special talent to blow a 197 seat lead. I realise Poilievre will win a majority, because election writs change everything, but his inability to adapt to changing conditions tells me that in a crisis, he will freeze again.

He didn't blow anything. Carney gets all the headlines for a couple of weeks so that's what the polls tend to reflect but nobody actually voted for him. In fact when carney was accepting the leadership win PP Held a rally at the same time and had vastly more people show up to it then carney did. If an actual election were held today i suspect the pollsters would be looking down at their shoes and shuffling a lot.   

And you're already admitting that the seats don't really exist. You're admitting that he won't actually get what the current polls suggest. That's because you know the same as I do that the polling does not reflect reality.

We will see how the election turns out. If carney does better than about 50 seats give or take then he will have done better than turtle would have. If he gets a hundred he will have justified his election as leader and overperformed. We'll see which number he's closer to

By the way, almost all of his current support came at the expense of the NDP, not the conservatives. I keep wondering if those NDP supporters are going to wake up tomorrow and realize that they are saying they will support a hyper-rich global billionaire investment person who has funded major oil projects and also gave the seed money to musk to buy twitter   lol kinda feels like they might realize he's not their guy before the end  

Edited March 21 by CdnFox

[Queenmandy85]

What ever happens, this is going to be fun. Every election is fun, but this one will rival 1972 and 1979. 

We used to look up to people who are successful in business. When did conservatives begin attacking banks, wealth and elites? It smacks of socialism.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

What ever happens, this is going to be fun. Every election is fun, but this one will rival 1972 and 1979. 

 

Some are kind of boring. This one has the strong possibility of being quite interesting though

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We used to look up to people who are successful in business. When did conservatives begin attacking banks, wealth and elites? It smacks of socialism.

He is not in business and he's not terribly successful. Nobody has a nice thing to say about him back in England. The last time it is job decently was Canada about 20 years ago and he's kind of screwed up since then. And he only did well because harper told him what to do

Central bank is not a business. You can't go broke, you don't turn a profit, it's nothing like a business. 

But I'm glad to hear that you do like business professionals being in charge. So I take it you're a pro musk fan?

[Goddess]

Carney is not a conservative. 

It's quite surreal watching the Liberals campaign AGAINST almost all the policies they've been pushing for the last 10 years.

[Gaétan]

Mark Carney should be in jail because his election was a fraud made by we don't know who, the cia, secret service, Trudeau's team, who knows.

[BlahTheCanuck]

I wish.

[Queenmandy85]

5 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney should be in jail because his election was a fraud made by we don't know who, the cia, secret service, Trudeau's team, who knows.

That is an interesting take. What is your evidence? 

[I am Groot]

23 hours ago, Boges said:

I'm usually a CPC supporter but it'll be a hard sell to make me believe PP can lead this country better than Mark Carney. 

So... you're saying you like the way Canada has been going the last ten years and want even more of that?

23 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So you’re voting for Carney then, since you think an economics background is an important asset for the PM.  Makes sense. 

If you knew anything about Economics you'd know that for every economist who takes a position there's another economist who'll say the opposition. Being an economist is not a particularly useful tool for a political leader unless it comes with uncommon good sense attached. And that is clearly not the case with Carney.

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, herbie said:

You are seriously demented.

Tell me how they're further to the right. I dare you.

[I am Groot]

15 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

We used to look up to people who are successful in business. When did conservatives begin attacking banks, wealth and elites? It smacks of socialism.

Maybe they're not the far right bunch so many lefties have been shrieking about, hmm?
And as for me, my problem with Carney is first, he has not come up with a single way in which he differentiates from the Liberal policies of the past ten years and second that he intends to double down on economy-killing climate policies.

[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe they're not the far right bunch so many lefties have been shrieking about, hmm?
And as for me, my problem with Carney is first, he has not come up with a single way in which he differentiates from the Liberal policies of the past ten years and second that he intends to double down on economy-killing climate policies.

Not a single way? 🤔

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-cancels-capital-gains-hike-1.7490020

 

Also what about the carbon tax?

 

I'm hoping that there's something innovative coming but those seem to satisfy your criteria.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not a single way? 🤔

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-cancels-capital-gains-hike-1.7490020

 

Also what about the carbon tax?

 

I'm hoping that there's something innovative coming but those seem to satisfy your criteria.

He didn't come up with those ideas, he's just copying the conservative platform. And  he's still charging a carbon tax, he didnt' cancel it. He's just shifting the burden to the manufacturers who will pass it on so that people can't see it. 

[Gaétan]

2 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

That is an interesting take. What is your evidence? 

It is obvious that Mark Carney has benefited from more visibility and support in the media, which has led to him being elected as Liberal leader and Prime Minister, but by whom? To find out, we need an investigation by non-corrupt people.

[Queenmandy85]

8 hours ago, Gaétan said:

Mark Carney should be in jail because his election was a fraud made by we don't know who, the cia, secret service, Trudeau's team, who knows.

 

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

It is obvious that Mark Carney has benefited from more visibility and support in the media, which has led to him being elected as Liberal leader and Prime Minister, but by whom? To find out, we need an investigation by non-corrupt people.

In your first statement, you stated his election was a fraud, as though it was a proven fact, but your only "evidence" is he was more visible.  By that, you would have to have the same accusation against Mr. Poilievre who benifited from more positive media coverage than Charest. But you offer no evidence that this was the result of some secret conspiracy. Mr. Carney won the leadership because he has the best chance of winning. His two closest rivals, Ms. Freeland and Ms. Gould, both of whom would make excellent Prime Ministers, would not be able to defeat Mr. Poilievre. Canadian voters have a baked in prejudice against women Prime Ministers. It is shameful, but I point to the fact, no woman has ever won sufficient electoral support to be appointed PM after a general election.