Canada Needs to Redirect Energy and Trade Away From U.S.

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

What is it with you guys so easily overwhelmed , have you seen our border, it can't be secured

Yes, I know.  I was replying to your comment.  

 

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

not sure how you don't see this as an issue....

Because it’s a fake and made up “emergency”.  😂 

The deal for more security was done with Biden.  This is a made up issue, like fentanyl, as an excuse for Trump to do whatever he was going to do.  
 

Are you sure you’re Canadian?  I don’t believe you were in the military.    No one could be this disloyal.   You blame Canada for everything Trump does.  

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

And i have made no such claim that our country should be utterly impenetrable....

Shouldn't you be though? Apparently we shipped enough fentanyl into the US to kill 4 million Americans - a small duffle bag's worth. A whole container would kill billions of them.

Yeah, no wonder they're so concerned.

[taxme]

22 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Clearly the coterie of yes people around Trump won't question or reel him in, including Lutnick.  All of them are willing to damage the U.S. and Western economies for the forseeable future in the uncertain hope that U.S. domestic industry will expand significantly as the cost of doing business rises and consumer markets decline due to tariffs.  Given that there's no careful plan in this experiment or understanding that some companies and workers impacted may not recover from this sledgehammer, Canada has to stop engaging in this unpredictable mess.  Let the Americans hike their tariffs and costs and spend the necessary decades and billions building the energy-intensive smelters and the power plants needed to power them.  Americans and Canadians can't afford to wait that long, so Canada's best bet is to immediately seek other trade partners and supply its own domestic markets.  Drop all U.S. investment plans and procurements with U.S. companies, including military, to the greatest extent possible.  Seek to divert as much energy supply away from the U.S. as possible. 

Canada has the cards in the important ways on the supply side: oil, electricity, rare earth and precious minerals, steel and aluminum, potash, etc.  Finding new markets will be hard but likely and we will endure a slump as our export economy adjusts.  We'll have to bear the costs of military expansion as business revenue declines, but we can redirect spare industrial capacity to building infrastructure like high speed rail and pipelines (not to the U.S.).   Waiting for the the U.S.'s next trade move puts Canada (and Americans) in the position of constant uncertainty.  Let's instead strike agreements with more reliable partners and expand internal supply and trade.

There's likely too much distrust for greater economic integration with the U.S..  Most Canadians oppose the idea of Canada becoming the 51st state, and our distrust will only grow as long as Trump talks about annexation of Greenland or taking back the Panama Canal.  Soon it won't just be Canadians who aren't along for the ride with whatever POTUS feels like doing on any given day.  We might as well cut our losses and ditch the sinking U.S. ship.  Trump thinks we can't survive without America, but it increasingly looks like Canada will get dragged down with the U.S. as long as we remain dependent on the U.S. market.

It has been the liberals that have done everything they can to stifle the energy sector with their climate crisis nonsense. Canada and Canadians could be filthy rich today if it were not for the WEF liberals that have done whatever they could to stifle growth in Canada. Canada has been virtually destroyed by wokeism and the attack on our energy sector with their anti-industrial WEF climate crisis policies. I can only hope that the conservatives win the next election or else it will be 5 more years of WEF liberal destruction of Canada. It's your call. 

[Iceni warrior]

3 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

but it's not just tariffs in a vacuum,

it's tariffs, plus deregulation, plus tax cuts,

even just the threat of tariffs has brought all investment in Canada to a halt,

this war is only a month old, America hasn't even started to drop its bombs yet, and already Canada is reeling

 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Republicans mass murdered over 300,000 fellow Americans in the Civil War,

just think what they'd do to Canada

[Iceni warrior]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

Republicans mass murdered over 300,000 fellow Americans in the Civil War,

just think what they'd do to Canada

As far as I can tell they are just making it more expensive for themselves to buy Canadian goods during a cost of living crisis.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Iceni warrior said:

As far as I can tell they are just making it more expensive for themselves to buy Canadian goods during a cost of living crisis.

all investment in Canada has come to a screeching halt already,

every firm considering decamping to the United States,

and the Republicans haven't even started the war yet, merely threatening so far

[WestCanMan]

On 3/13/2025 at 2:47 PM, Zeitgeist said:

Clearly the coterie of yes people around Trump won't question or reel him in, including Lutnick.  All of them are willing to damage the U.S. and Western economies for the forseeable future in the uncertain hope that U.S. domestic industry will expand significantly as the cost of doing business rises and consumer markets decline due to tariffs.  Given that there's no careful plan in this experiment or understanding that some companies and workers impacted may not recover from this sledgehammer, Canada has to stop engaging in this unpredictable mess.  Let the Americans hike their tariffs and costs and spend the necessary decades and billions building the energy-intensive smelters and the power plants needed to power them.  Americans and Canadians can't afford to wait that long, so Canada's best bet is to immediately seek other trade partners and supply its own domestic markets.  Drop all U.S. investment plans and procurements with U.S. companies, including military, to the greatest extent possible.  Seek to divert as much energy supply away from the U.S. as possible. 

Canada has the cards in the important ways on the supply side: oil, electricity, rare earth and precious minerals, steel and aluminum, potash, etc.  Finding new markets will be hard but likely and we will endure a slump as our export economy adjusts.  We'll have to bear the costs of military expansion as business revenue declines, but we can redirect spare industrial capacity to building infrastructure like high speed rail and pipelines (not to the U.S.).   Waiting for the the U.S.'s next trade move puts Canada (and Americans) in the position of constant uncertainty.  Let's instead strike agreements with more reliable partners and expand internal supply and trade.

There's likely too much distrust for greater economic integration with the U.S..  Most Canadians oppose the idea of Canada becoming the 51st state, and our distrust will only grow as long as Trump talks about annexation of Greenland or taking back the Panama Canal.  Soon it won't just be Canadians who aren't along for the ride with whatever POTUS feels like doing on any given day.  We might as well cut our losses and ditch the sinking U.S. ship.  Trump thinks we can't survive without America, but it increasingly looks like Canada will get dragged down with the U.S. as long as we remain dependent on the U.S. market.

I'll be interested to see how many F-150s are sold in Canada over the next few months. 

It has been the most popular truck here for 55 years, and the most popular vehicle overall for the last 11 years.

128,000 last year.

I hope that number goes down to 1,280 this year. 

[herbie]

Now considering cancelling the F35 order. Will Trump "let us" buy Gripens?

[Zeitgeist]

This is an excellent interview regarding Canada’s energy leverage over the U.S. as well as the efficiencies and other benefits of enhancing east-west connections in our energy grid, which is already 80% zero emissions:

https://youtu.be/yM1YR7kpjOo

[suds]

4 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

This is an excellent interview regarding Canada’s energy leverage over the U.S. as well as the efficiencies and other benefits of enhancing east-west connections in our energy grid, which is already 80% zero emissions:

https://youtu.be/yM1YR7kpjOo

 So what are we waiting for? Clean, abundant, modestly priced energy is everything. Build it (not for north/south export) but to attract business and manufacturing to Canada.  Now that's what I'm talking about. According to this electrical engineer (Scott Jansen) it's doable. Beats tariffs trying to attract investment.

Edited March 17 by suds

[ExFlyer]

On 3/14/2025 at 4:05 PM, eyeball said:

Shouldn't you be though? Apparently we shipped enough fentanyl into the US to kill 4 million Americans - a small duffle bag's worth. A whole container would kill billions of them.

Yeah, no wonder they're so concerned.

You are aware, I hope, that if a "a small duffle bag's worth" got into the US, let alone a container, it is the fault and failure of the United States Border Patrol (USBP) and Homeland Security, not any Canadian authority?

They may be concerned but really, they are ignorant of their own security methods and procedures.

[eyeball]

37 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are aware, I hope,

Well aware...

[ExFlyer]

Just now, eyeball said:

Well aware...

Then your post and comment is moot.

You responded to "no such claim that our country should be utterly impenetrable...." and your post has nothing to do with that. You spoke of drugs leaving, not entering canada.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Then your post and comment is moot.

You responded to "no such claim that our country should be utterly impenetrable...." and your post has nothing to do with that. You spoke of drugs leaving, not entering canada.

I was being facetious. I thought the comment about killing billions of Americans made that obvious.

[ExFlyer]

20 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I was being facetious. I thought the comment about killing billions of Americans made that obvious.

Sorry, cannot see your face to determine facetiousness and your post was not obvious as a whole container would kill billions..

[eyeball]

51 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Sorry, cannot see your face to determine facetiousness and your post was not obvious as a whole container would kill billions..

It is when you do the math. If the small amount that's coming from Canada will kill 4 million Americans, as the Whitehouse says, the amount smuggled in from elsewhere will kill 4 billion.

Of course it's ridiculous hence the facetiousness.

Unless you agree with the projected death tolls.

[CdnFox]

On 3/14/2025 at 2:38 AM, blackbird said:

Conservative premiers are not spineless.  Most premiers just know Canada has limits as to what it can do.  Most premiers know Canada cannot shut down vital energy sources to the U.S. and Smith and Moe understand that.  It appears you don't.  Canada is dealing with the world's superpower.  If Canada creates a national emergency in the U.S. they have the power to send in the military and reverse any shutdown of energy to the U.S. immediately. They have the power and the last word, not Canada.

This was probably privately told to Premier Ford when he put 25% tariffs on electricity to three states and he immediately dropped the idea.  That's the reality.

Well before they go that far they can actually shut down our oil and gas coming in from the states which because of our own laziness and stupidity we are very reliant on the Americans for despite producing enough for ourselves. British Columbia does not get enough gasoline from Alberta and most important from the states, ontario and Quebec oil comes up from a pipeline from the states, So it's kind of an issue

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It is when you do the math. If the small amount that's coming from Canada will kill 4 million Americans, as the Whitehouse says, the amount smuggled in from elsewhere will kill 4 billion.

Of course it's ridiculous hence the facetiousness.

Unless you agree with the projected death tolls.

Trying to extend your foolishness is pointless. Stop while you can

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

It is when you do the math. If the small amount that's coming from Canada will kill 4 million Americans, as the Whitehouse says, the amount smuggled in from elsewhere will kill 4 billion.

Of course it's ridiculous hence the facetiousness.

Unless you agree with the projected death tolls.

Trump's ability to impose tariffs without congressional oversight is largely contingent on there being some sort of emergency. This is his excuse as to why he's acting on his own as if he were a king instead of a president. I don't for a moment believe he thinks there's a real crisis, but he needs to manufacture a crisis in order to justify his actions.

It's true that there is a challenge with fentanyl in Canada and it is equally true that we could be doing more to secure our borders should be, every good lie has a grain of truth in it. But as I have been saying since the beginning the border is not trump's issue, he is after other things and doesn't really care about the border that much. At least not the Canadian one

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Trying to extend your foolishness is pointless. Stop while you can

Why on Earth are you channelling CdnFox?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why on Earth are you channelling CdnFox?

It's not just me kiddo. Your stupidity is universally recognized  

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It's not just me kiddo. Your stupidity is universally recognized  

Impossible. Your brilliance outshines and precludes anyone's ability to see anything else.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Impossible. Your brilliance outshines and precludes anyone's ability to see anything else.

Sadly, a black hole of stupidity will always overshadow the brightest star of brilliance   

And that's basically what you are now that I think about it, information flows into you but absolutely no intelligence can escape whatsoever

[suds]

41 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well before they go that far they can actually shut down our oil and gas coming in from the states which because of our own laziness and stupidity we are very reliant on the Americans for despite producing enough for ourselves. British Columbia does not get enough gasoline from Alberta and most important from the states, ontario and Quebec oil comes up from a pipeline from the states, So it's kind of an issue

It wasn't all that long ago that Michigan governor Gretchen Whitmer attempted to shut down Enbridge's Line 5 which carried oil and gas from Alberta (through the U.S.) to Ontario. There was an incident but many believe it was more for political reasons. Then the courts got involved.   With an Energy East or an East/West energy corridor we could be completely independent from such things and self sufficient. Energy should be a main and critical election issue because our economy and living standards depend so heavily on it.