WestCanMan Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Nope, you've been told repeatedly the burden of evidence is on the positive claimant. And I proved it. Even Aristedes acknowledged it. Carney DID lie. CBC's article points that out, eventually. So they knew the truth, yet their headline only points to a mere allegation. Then they start off with a fluff piece. You know I'm 100% correct. [mic released, accelerates towards planet earth, crashes to a halt, fork is jabbed into argument] Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 7 hours ago, Barquentine said: Yeah he should have answered this better, but he was chairman of the company and had a duty to increase profits for them. Conservatives are supposed to like that, not cherry-pick for political purposes. but then why did he lie about it. Conservatives don't like liars. If he had stood up and said honestly we moved the company because the conditions in Canada just aren't that great for investment right now, then fair enough. conservatives would have understood that. But the problem is that would involve admitting that the government he is attempting to lead are the ones that made the conditions this bad in the first place. He's a lying scudball who does the opposite of what he says he believes in. This man does not care about Canada, he does not care about you, he will absolutely steal your money and ruin your country if he gets into power and he will sleep like a baby at night doing it. Wake up 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Nope, you've been told repeatedly the burden of evidence is on the positive claimant. It is 100% proven. But of course you'd lie about it, you're liberal and that's a prerequisite 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: And I proved it. Even Aristedes acknowledged it. Carney DID lie. CBC's article points that out, eventually. So they knew the truth, yet their headline only points to a mere allegation. WTF are you babbling about eventually? The point Conservatives made that Carney lied is in the goddamn CBC's story title FFS. Conservatives say Carney is lying about his role moving investment firm's office to U.S. What are you missing here? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Michael Hardner Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 6 hours ago, Moonbox said: Nothing will get your taxpayer subsidies challenged like a decades-long political bias, and the more they struggle and rail against it, the worse the reckoning will be. Nothing is worse than death. Fight to live another day. 6 hours ago, Aristides said: I'm really disappointed in you. Did you bother to read the rest of the article? It goes into some depth about Carney's holdings and what his position was when the company moved. It would be hard to conclude anything other than he was not being honest about being involved in the move. No, I only read the first paragraph. As far as I could see, the thread was not about Carney, but about the CBC. I concurred with the poster based on that first paragraph. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Aristides Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Nothing is worse than death. Fight to live another day. No, I only read the first paragraph. As far as I could see, the thread was not about Carney, but about the CBC. I concurred with the poster based on that first paragraph. Kind of underlines the importance of reading the whole article, regardless of the source. Edited February 27 by Aristides Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 11 minutes ago, Aristides said: Kind of underlines the importance of reading the whole article, regardless of the source. Does it? If the question is whether the CBC is putting a shine on Carney.. A lot of people only read the first paragraph or so... 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
eyeball Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: It is 100% proven. But of course you'd lie about it, you're liberal and that's a prerequisite It's proven 100% that CBC lied or didn't report what Conservatives said about Carney? It's right in their headline. How the LPOC/CBC editorial board managed to let that one get past them is the better question don't you think? 11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Does it? If the question is whether the CBC is putting a shine on Carney.. A lot of people only read the first paragraph or so... I guess that explains why CBC put it in the headline. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted February 27 Report Posted February 27 22 minutes ago, eyeball said: It's proven 100% that CBC lied or didn't report what Conservatives said about Carney? Oh right, I forgot about your horribly weak comprehension skills. I should have expected you'd get confused. Sit down kid. You remember how we talked about how santa wasn't real? And how the easter bunny wasn't real? Carney isn't real either. He lies a lot. Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 27 Author Report Posted February 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: WTF are you babbling about eventually? The point Conservatives made that Carney lied is in the goddamn CBC's story title FFS. Conservatives say Carney is lying about his role moving investment firm's office to U.S. What are you missing here? The title is a lie. I'm not missing anything. FYI minimization is lying. "Conservatives say Carney is lying" could actually mean that: the Conservatives are exaggerating (lying) like the Dems/Libs do every day It could mean that the Conservatives honestly felt like Carney was lying but he was telling the truth. In order for the article to be truthful they needed to say something like: Carney Caught Lying Carney Caught Lying by Conservatives Carney Caught Lying About Brookfield Move to NY by Conservatives Etc. All of those things are true. What CBC said is a heavily minimized version of the truth. Quote The point Conservatives made that Carney lied is in the goddamn CBC's story title FFS. Correct. And the fact that CBC has all the evidence that they need to say that "Carney Lied to Canadians" with absolute certainty, but they opted to craft that headline in a manner that is basically meaningless, means that CBC wilfully, knowingly engaged in deceit. AKA, they lied. Edited February 28 by WestCanMan Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: Carney isn't real either. He lies a lot. Yes he is. You do too and in this case you're lying about the CBC under-reporting something that Conservatives said. Now you're turning into a donkey because you said something stupid you can't back up and well...you know the drill, you invented it. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 11 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yes he is. No he isn't. He's a character That was created like any TV character to sell a narrative. I'm sure the actor playing the guy they're presenting is real and his name probably is mark carney but the carney you've been seeing is a fiction. And no kiddo I always tell the truth. That's why it's always you who rewrites what other people say so that you can argue with that, or pretend you never said things that you very clearly did, we're trying backtrack and redefine words of used because you've realized they were stupid. And you're still going to lose the election. Badly 1 Quote
eyeball Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Correct. And the fact that CBC has all the evidence that they need to say that "Carney Lied to Canadians" with absolute certainty, but they opted to craft that headline in a manner that is basically meaningless, means that CBC wilfully, knowingly engaged in deceit. AKA, they lied. So angry partisan perception is all the evidence you need to conclude that the MSM and CBC especially, are under the LPOC control? You're an utter loon. Keep it up please and take it to the streets as a campaigner for PP. The fact his desire to snuff the CBC is informed by the same paranoid conspiracy laced thinking as yours is exactly why he's losing support. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
WestCanMan Posted February 28 Author Report Posted February 28 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: So angry partisan perception is all the evidence you need to conclude that the MSM and CBC especially, are under the LPOC control? You're an utter loon. Keep it up please and take it to the streets as a campaigner for PP. The fact his desire to snuff the CBC is informed by the same paranoid conspiracy laced thinking as yours is exactly why he's losing support. What's angry about telling the truth, eyeball? What should I call CBC? "A little bit dishonest"? It's garbage, dude. They shouldn't be lying, period. They lie to make conservatives look bad, they lie to make the Liberals look ok, and you sit there saying: "Why do you care if the CBC lies"? Well, a healthy, functioning media is a key component of a real democracy. CBC is telling you who to vote for, and you're just listening intently. "It's a trillion times easier to fool a leftie than to prove to them that they've been fooled." 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Moonbox Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Nothing is worse than death. Fight to live another day. You say it as though they didn't do almost everything they could to bring that fight on themselves, and that this isn't the inevitable and obvious outcome of their entitlement and hubris. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonlight Graham Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 On 2/26/2025 at 10:46 PM, CouchPotato said: Because he lied about it, so obviously Carney thinks it matters. And the topic of the thread is not Carney himself but the way CBC chose to cover the story. If Pierre was caught in a lie like that the CBC would not begin with a puff piece about him and then say he "downplayed his role" or use some other euphemism to sugarcoat the fact that he lied. Yes he did lie about. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Michael Hardner Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 8 hours ago, Moonbox said: You say it as though they didn't do almost everything they could to bring that fight on themselves, and that this isn't the inevitable and obvious outcome of their entitlement and hubris. I don't think they ever felt entitled. I don't think they're that smart. I think they wanted to be relevant and fashionable. The former quality should be almost guaranteed given their position, but I'm sure they could see its slipping away. And they were never fashionable. With the resources they have, they could be Central to our culture, the public forum of record, a source for our entertainment. There is only one thing stopping all of this: management. Management culture for a large organization is pretty hard to change, if not impossible. The inventor of the geodesic dome....R. Buckminster Fuller: You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. Buckminster Fuller A... Visionary could create a new Branch of the CBC, reporting only to the top person. Low overhead, digital, locally produced. Hire young people, young journalists, young content producers. Cbc4 Calgary, produced by Young calgarians. Keep the politics out of it, just cover local news and make interesting content. Cheap and cheerful. This is just one idea. Try it, fail, improve it, repeat. If conservatives and normal folks like it, then you've succeeded. You've created what the CBC is supposed to be. And you didn't spend an arm and a leg. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
TreeBeard Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: With the resources they have, they could be Central to our culture, the public forum of record, a source for our entertainment. Outside of city centres, they are exactly that. Ever spent any time in Yukon or Northwest Territories? The CBC is all that is there. Without it, a huge gap in culture, public forum and entertainment would be there. And it simply would not be filled by for-profit business. No one is clamouring to have the CBC removed in the North so they can swoop in and make buckets of money from being a public broadcaster. I suppose if we only care about where the most people live, and national cohesion isn’t important, then getting rid of all things CBC seems like a great idea. 1 Quote
CdnFox Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 2 hours ago, TreeBeard said: Outside of city centres, they are exactly that. Ever spent any time in Yukon or Northwest Territories? The CBC is all that is there. Without it, a huge gap in culture, public forum and entertainment would be there. And it simply would not be filled by for-profit business. No one is clamouring to have the CBC removed in the North so they can swoop in and make buckets of money from being a public broadcaster. Nonsense. True in 1970. not true today Today thanks to the internet they have access to all the programming and every single thing that some kid living in the city would want. And the north has been polling conservative for ages now, odd considering the conservatives are talking about ditching it. If you wanted to keep the cbc you should have cleaned it up years ago and made it an honest impartial organization that fairly represented all canadians, not just the federal liberals. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted February 28 Author Report Posted February 28 4 hours ago, TreeBeard said: I suppose if we only care about where the most people live, and national cohesion isn’t important, then getting rid of all things CBC seems like a great idea. When "national cohesion" actually means "one opinion for all, and truth for none", we should do without. 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: If you wanted to keep the cbc you should have cleaned it up years ago and made it an honest impartial organization that fairly represented all canadians, not just the federal liberals. "But we love it as propaganda central. Why change that?" Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
taxme Posted February 28 Report Posted February 28 On 2/26/2025 at 3:39 PM, WestCanMan said: And for the record, Carney actually was lying. His lie was so blatant and easily proven that even the CBC had to admit it, although they did manage to let that slide until the 4th paragraph: Carney downplayed his role in that decision at a news conference on Tuesday night after the Liberal leadership debate, saying it was a decision formally made by the board after he left the company in January. [Paragrah 4] But company documents show the board approved the move in October 2024, and the decision was affirmed by shareholders at a meeting late last month. The wording of the investor relations document announcing the office move in October makes it clear the company wasn't waiting for shareholder approval. "BAM has now changed its head office to New York," the document reads. The Conservatives said Wednesday that Carney "lied" in describing his role, blasting him for helping move a division of a Canadian company south of the border to "Donald Trump's hometown." "We know that we can't trust what Mark Carney says and we now know that he will put profits for himself and well-connected insiders on Bay Street and Wall Street ahead of Canadians," said Conservative MP Michael Barrett, the party's ethics critic. Liberals are professional liars and they can never be trusted with anything they say. The CBC should be abolished along with the liberal party. Those two only exist to keep the lies flowing and keep the theft going of taxpayer's tax dollars and incompetence alive. Carney is just another WEF globalist shill who says or does what Klaus or Fink tells him to say. Canada is being held prisoner by the WEF globalists thanks in part to our dear political leaders. This is why we must get the conservative party to win the next election. Otherwise, it will be the WEF globalist woke and broke agenda for Canada if any of those liberal buffoons running for the liberal leadership. We only have one shot left to save Canada from the WEF. Just saying. 3 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I don't think they ever felt entitled. I think they became convinced of their own self-importance and their own perceived value to Canada, and it's an attitude that become ingrained in the CBC's culture. Along the way they seem to have forgotten that they need to actually demonstrate that value to Canadians rather than take it for granted. 5 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: I don't think they're that smart. I think they wanted to be relevant and fashionable. The former quality should be almost guaranteed given their position, but I'm sure they could see its slipping away. And they were never fashionable. You can look at the BBC for a model of how this could and should, and it's not just a question of scale. The BBC promotes and fosters British culture (whatever that may look like) and broadcasts it around the world. The CBC, on the other hand, has always been more interested in curating and preaching what it thinks Canadian culture is, and the audience was never interested. 14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: There is only one thing stopping all of this: management. Management culture for a large organization is pretty hard to change, if not impossible. Since the CBC has never had third-party or even arms-length process for appointing leadership, the buck can't stop at "management". This is a political problem. The CBC has been wielded as a political tool, predictably for the benefit of the politicians who appointed all its leadership. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Aristides Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 The Conservatives did accuse Carney of lying, that wasn't made up. Because the share holders vote was delayed till after he left what he said may be technically true but the fact is, the board of directors, which he was head, had unanimously approved the move. To say he wasn't involved in the move was less than honest is an understatement. For me, the move of the company office is less important than the lack of honesty coming from someone who will likely be our prime minister, even for a short time. 1 Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 8 hours ago, Moonbox said: I think they became convinced of their own self-importance and their own perceived value to Canada, and it's an attitude that become ingrained in the CBC's culture. Along the way they seem to have forgotten that they need to actually demonstrate that value to Canadians rather than take it for granted. You can look at the BBC for a model of how this could and should, and it's not just a question of scale. The BBC promotes and fosters British culture (whatever that may look like) and broadcasts it around the world. The CBC, on the other hand, has always been more interested in curating and preaching what it thinks Canadian culture is, and the audience was never interested. Since the CBC has never had third-party or even arms-length process for appointing leadership, the buck can't stop at "management". This is a political problem. The CBC has been wielded as a political tool, predictably for the benefit of the politicians who appointed all its leadership. I don't agree with the framing here. But if I went into details as to what I disagree with, it would have meant to equip all I would just say they misunderstood where they stand. And I don't think that contradicts what you're saying. The last paragraph, I'm not sure of. Harper tried to fix it, and they ended up with with some changes happening. The toughest not to crack, being CBC English television, came close to producing some hits. I think most of us would like for that to happen. I don't think Harper wielded it as a tool of politics, although if he had been successful then that would have been a feather in his cap. I work in information technology, and was interested in working point there at one point... But with no knowledge for how things work internally. A mutual friend hooked me up with someone on the inside, to explain it. Sure enough it was a mess. It just wasn't run in an organized way. Now I do hate it when people say that things need to be run as a business... Because a lot of businesses are run. Horribly. I think things need to be organized, and especially aligned to the people who fund and use the organization. I would wish the same thing on Rogers, as I do on the CBC. I interface with revenue Canada, for a business I run, and I never have a problem with how they do things. They're definitely better than Rogers. However, I suspect they do throw money at problems in order to run as they do. Good conversation, I like talking to you. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Zeitgeist Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 (edited) The trouble with the CBC is that they depend both on government support and private advertising, but they’re clearly ideologically captured by a an activist political agenda that aligns with the left side of the political spectrum and they no longer provide the cultural programming that most Canadians actually like. To not be able to watch a Canada-US hockey final or Leafs playoff final on the network that we pay for, the one known for Hockey Night in Canada and the Original Six NHL broadcasts is a fail. Firing Don Cherry because one low level CBC employee didn’t like his comment about immigrants not wearing poppies was a fail. The clearly softball coverage of the Trudeau Liberals is a fail. The weak entertainment programming is a fail. We don’t have an SCTV anymore. Hockey Night is basically a girls hockey promo campaign now. I see similar problems on TVO. It has a tremendous wealth of film documentaries and interviews with the greatest actors and directors in film and television going back to the 70’s, but it scrapped At The Movies, the single biggest cultural contribution of that network. It’s like Elwy Yost never existed. That’s the problem in general with our public programming. It’s not about putting the best programming out there. It seems to be about serving the agendas of whomever is awarded network control and the mandate of the government that funds it. What’s stranger and scarier is that this government influence and ideological creep extends to other Canadian media, such as CTV, The Star, and the Globe and Mail. Why? Because the corporate entities that own them are following Environmental, Social, and Governmental (ESG) criteria that align politically with the Liberals and the UN. They also get funding and regulatory approval because of this alignment. It begs the question of whether there’s even a truly free press in Canada. The CBC has to get better at the things it used to do best. It still has This Hour but where’s its latest Kids in the Hall or sharp investigative journalism? Edited March 1 by Zeitgeist Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 1 Report Posted March 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: What’s stranger and scarier is that this government influence and ideological creep extends to other Canadian media, such as CTV, The Star, THE GLOBE AND MAIL ... That's where I stopped reading. The newspaper that is owned by the richest family in Canada, is never that has never not endorsed explicitly the conservative party in federal elections, is not leftist. It is not. As such, trying to lay the blame of a center left politics infecting the CBC is not a point I'm going to strain to see in the rest of your post. The CBC television network just doesn't resonate with people, neither does CBC or Global much either. The big hit Canadian shows came from cable startups, presumably run by young people who could see value in proposals that came to them. This point is obvious to me. The idea that people refuse to watch because they are center left doesn't make sense. Sorry. Edited March 1 by Michael Hardner Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
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