The Proud Canadians.

[Zeitgeist]

The Donald and most Americans don’t care much about any of that unfortunately.  He’s fixated on the expense of Canadian nationhood as it relates to US interests, because we’ve made ourselves so dependent on our US exports that essentially we count on US policies over which we currently have no control as citizens of a foreign country outside the US.

Other than a few social programs that the majority of Canadians would want to keep, most Canadians would like a lower cost of living, lower taxes, greater clout internationally, the ability to live and work anywhere in North America, less regulation and red tape, and probably even the US dollar, which is what 51st state gives us.  Of course Canadians want to have the discretion to opt out of some US policies.  They want to maintain their expensive Scottish parliament to keep a sovereignty which defines itself primarily as not American.

I think the answer is economic union for complete free trade, freedom of movement, and reduction and/or virtual elimination of some of our government departments. Basically cut the size of the federal government in half, reduce its responsibilities, and consolidate most departments into committees that harmonize and approve or disapprove application of US standards and policies to Canada, subject to parliamentary approval.  Keep a basic border as a security checkpoint to ensure that bad actors and illegal firearms don’t enter each other’s territories, and add the ability to attain an AmCan card allowing free movement, residency and employability in either country. The adoption of the US dollar and eliminating the Bank of Canada might be a sticking point. so that option could be set aside and left for consideration after the aforementioned elements of economic union are settled and tried.

I’d love to see the CRTC disappear and a ton of new competition and players enter our markets.  Much of what we do to maintain separate Canadian versions of everything is costly duplication.  We can’t even defend this sovereignty because we stripped our military to a minimum.  Energy and resources are our greatest natural strength, but our own government gets in the way of developing them.  It’s not worth propping up such a bloated government and bureaucracy.  The price of having a separate array of Canadian governments and regulations is less prosperity, less freedom, and less opportunity.  Why, so our “federal Canadian government” can tell us how lousy Canada is and why Canadians should endlessly hand over hard-earned earnings to designated victim groups and pay for the costly pet projects of woke-green activists?

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[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Donald and most Americans don’t care much about any of that unfortunately. 

so called "Canada" declared itself to be the world's first Post National State with no core identity

then declared itself to have committed Genocide by the UN definition

as a White Supremacist Settler Colonial abomination

all the school children therein taught to be Marxist Leninist cultural revolutionaries

less than a decade later;  the Fenians have come to the gates once again to ransom Canada

when, ironically, the vast majority of so called "Canadians" don't even know who the Fenians are

a people without a history have no colours to rally around, nothing to fight for

the Confederacy which won the war and lived to tell the tale,  is no more

Victoria Regina Imperatrix has been unhorsed & unheaded in the public square

 lo & behold,  here come them New York Yankees  to fill the void;

"how are you, Minstrel Johnny Bull ? We'll settle next with you"

just desserts

Edited January 14 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

13 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 The price of having a separate array of Canadian governments and regulations is less prosperity, less freedom, and less opportunity.  Why, so our “federal Canadian government” can tell us how lousy Canada is and why Canadians should endlessly hand over hard-earned earnings to designated victim groups and pay for the costly pet projects of woke-green activists?

all of that lunacy imported into Canada by the Democrat party traitors to the republic

now the Glorious Union is forced to liberate Canada from the rule of the plantation aristocracy

even if it means burning the village to save it ; like the wrath of an Old Testament Lord

" Charlie don't surf ! "

Edited January 14 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

all of that lunacy imported into Canada by the Democrat party traitors to the republic

now the Glorious Union is forced to liberate Canada from the rule of the plantation aristocracy

even if it means burning the village to save it

like the wrath of an Old Testament Lord

"Charlie don't surf !"

What it illustrates is the foolishness and dishonesty of the leaders who tried to beat everyone with the woke-green progressive stick, telling them they’re too bigoted, too sexist, too capitalist, too colonial, too patriarchal, too wasteful, too wealthy, too free, too rude… Our own government recklessly devalued its people, people who know in the deepest ways what’s really important in life: an honest day’s work, opportunity, the ability to think and speak one’s thoughts freely, the ability to raise a family according to time-tested values…

Our government has divided people against each other by designating some groups as noble and worthy and others as the opposite, and the groups that they designated as bad are the ones whose ancestors are most associated with building the country, including most of what Canadians actually like about Canada.

It leads Canadians to draw one of two conclusions: Ether the current government doesn’t mean what it says and actually likes Canada, which means they are liars trying to score points with radical internationalists, Marxists, and other activists, or they actually believe that the Canada of freedom and opportunity, based on Western values and traditions, must be torn down and handed over to the radicals and favoured designated victim identity groups.

Either way, these people should not be in charge   I would rather see America run the show if the current leadership types in Canada can’t be removed, because they aren’t Canadian. I’m not sure yet that Canadians will remove them though, because our population has been brainwashed to believe the anti-Canada rhetoric.   It didn’t take long.  10 years.

 

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What it illustrates is the foolishness and dishonesty of the leaders who tried to beat everyone with the woke-green progressive stick, telling them they’re too bigoted, too sexist, too capitalist, too colonial, too patriarchal, too wasteful, too wealthy, too free, too rude… Our own government recklessly devalued its people, people who know in the deepest ways what’s really important in life: an honest day’s work, opportunity, the ability to think and speak one’s thoughts freely, the ability to raise a family according to time-tested values…

Our government has divided people against each other by designating some groups as noble and worthy and others as the opposite, and the groups that they designated as bad are the ones whose ancestors are most associated with building the country, including most of what Canadians actually like about Canada.

It leads Canadians to draw one of two conclusions: Ether the current government doesn’t mean what it says and actually likes Canada, which means they are liars trying to score points with radical internationalists, Marxists, and other activists, or they actually believe that the Canada of freedom and opportunity, based on Western values and traditions, must be torn down and handed over to the radicals and favoured designated victim identity groups.

Either way, these people should not be in charge   I would rather see America run the show if the current leadership types in Canada can’t be removed, because they aren’t Canadian. I’m not sure yet that Canadians will remove them though, because our population has been brainwashed to believe the anti-Canada rhetoric.   It didn’t take long.  10 years.

suddenly the Liberals are wrapping themselves in the Canadian flag, invoking the War of 1812

even tho Major General Brock would have all these Liberal scum hung from the nearest yardarm as traitors

they unhorsed & unheaded Queen Victoria, they accused Sir John A. MacDonald of being like Adolf Hitler

they had the colours at half mast for six months in the name of Marxist Leninist Communism

yet now, all of a sudden, they are summoning the Soldiers of the Crown to fight for the Liberal NDP regime ?

against the Americans, whom are the only ones defending Canada while propping its economy up ?

hard pass, let the Liberal NDP regime reap what it has sowed

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are what is wrong with Canada. Find another thread to ruin. 

I didn't vote for the liberals 3 times in a row....that was all you, and you did it knowing full well the consequences, you did so by knowing how corrupt they were ...YOUR what is wrong with Canada....because your just like them...

[Dougie93]

14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

We can’t even defend this sovereignty because we stripped our military to a minimum. 

the Liberals on this forum are declaring that Canada will simply make itself into a frozen North Vietnam

waging a guerrilla war, mass murdering Americans by terrorism

never mind that some of them think that they could even acquire their own nuclear deterrent against America

ha ha ha ha ha !

yeah, okay, sure, see how that plan works out for you, so called "Canada"

f*ck around and find out

"lost in a Roman wilderness of pain . . . and all the children are insane . . ."

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[Queenmandy85]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

some of them think that they could even acquire their own nuclear deterrent against America

ha ha ha ha ha !

My great-uncle was the head of "Project Nine," the heavy water plant in Trail BC during the war. That was part of Canada's contribution to the Manhattan project to build the atomic bomb. By the mid 1950's , Canada had the materials, technology and engineering expertise to build our own nuclear weapons. We still have everything we need to start production.

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the lunatic leftist Liberals declare the decorated combat veterans of HM Royal Canadian Infantry Corps

to be the enemies of Canada ?

I've never heard of this. Can you enlighten me?

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My great-uncle was the head of "Project Nine," the heavy water plant in Trail BC during the war. That was part of Canada's contribution to the Manhattan project to build the atomic bomb. By the mid 1950's , Canada had the materials, technology and engineering expertise to build our own nuclear weapons. We still have everything we need to start production.

anyone advocating for the deployment of thermonuclear weapons against America

is simply a proxy for the Kremlin and their masters, the Chinese Communists in Beijing

good luck with that, so called "Canada"

just don't come crying when America notices that are you are want to be the enemies of the Glorious Union

then comes down on you from a very great height therein, for being the Communist stooges that you are

oh, wait, whoops, too late

 

[Queenmandy85]

But, it is for our commitment to NATO. It makes up our 2% +. Sufficient nuclear weapons not only satisfies our NATO commitment, but it deters any Russian or Chines incursions. Why would our US allies be opposed to that. They have been (rightfully) asking us to provide for out own defence for decades. The ability to turn any enemy into a radioactive glass plate makes for a pretty good deterrent.

Edited January 14 by Queenmandy85

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

 The ability to turn any enemy into a radioactive glass plate makes for a pretty good deterrent.

no it doesn't actually

since the enemy knows that are not really going to commit suicide in an interpolar exchange

thus the threat of strategic thermonuclear war is an empty one therein

 the enemy can easily come in under the level of that deterrent in so many ways

starting off by simply co-opting the Liberal party of Canada to be a fifth column against its own people

Canada conquers itself therein, on behalf of the Chinese Communists in Beijing, nary a shot fired

Woke Progressive Cultural Revolution FTW

[Queenmandy85]

Doug, I love your eloquence, I respect your expertise in military matters, but we have different views on liberals, Conservatives, the extreme importance of the core Conservative values, and the potential for an invasion of Canada by China. 

For others, who would put money ahead of national honour, I did the calculations and the money Canadians would receive by becoming the 51st - 61st states comes to 30 pieces of silver.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

But, it is for our commitment to NATO. It makes up our 2% +. Sufficient nuclear weapons not only satisfies out NATO commitment, but it deters any Russian or Chines incursions. Why would our US allies be opposed to that. They have been (rightfully) asking us to provide for out own defence for decades. The ability to turn any enemy into a radioactive glass plate makes for a pretty good deterrent.

That's not what NATO wants nor is it what our allieds want, they want us to be able to a) defend our nation conventionally, and b)  be able to send troops and machines anywhere around the globe to participate in any NATO intervention. 

Our allieds don't want any more countries to have a nuclear deterrent... there are no many in the world right now, do you that think that launching a nuke would be ok...one nuclear missile would would make Hiroshima look like a small firework display, bringing  damage on a scale we have not seen before, entire cities would simply vanish , unhabitual for hundreds of years,  first off you can not control the radioactive cloud that will poison thousands of kms of land....perhaps over another country that does have a nuke of their own, that much radioactive dust would be enough for a military response...now you've brought war to your own shores....Todays nukes are to scary for anyone to use....using one would mean the end of the world for everyone....those lucky enough to be turned to dust from the explosion would be saved a painful death that could last as long a as one week or a few more days depending on what dose you received..

[taxme]

On 12/31/2024 at 5:45 AM, DUI_Offender said:

I would like to thank "Team Canada" for their good faith arguments based on knowledge and factual information. It certainly has not been easy in 2024, to debate with a bunch of MAGA Hyenas, but you were all up for the task, and I commend you for it. 

Team Canada is composed of:

@Michael Hardner

@myata

@robosmith

@BeaverFever

@Hodad

@Moonlight Graham

@eyeball

@Moonbox

@Black Dog

@Queenmandy85

@Politics1990

@herbie

@Radiorum

 

Sorry if I forgot anyone. You made 2024 much better. Thank you for believing in democracy.

All of those Marxist knuckledragging baboons are nothing more than just that? A bunch of Marxists baboon arse holes. Those baboons are the reason why Canada is in the bloody mess that it is in. All they ever did was to keep voting for leftist liberals and NDP socialists and look where it got us all? Woke and broke. Those bunch of Marxist baboons did nothing to try and help to save Canada, but preferred to try and destroy Canada. So, phk awf with your hero Marxists. 

Works for me and the sooner the better. 🤪🤣🤮 Bye.

Edited January 15 by taxme

[NAME REMOVED]

Thank you, Dougie!

 

[NAME REMOVED]

 

Thank you, Dave.

[Dougie93]

On 1/14/2025 at 3:26 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Doug, I love your eloquence, I respect your expertise in military matters, but we have different views on liberals, Conservatives, the extreme importance of the core Conservative values, and the potential for an invasion of Canada by China. 

For others, who would put money ahead of national honour, I did the calculations and the money Canadians would receive by becoming the 51st - 61st states comes to 30 pieces of silver.

I remain a politically agnostic servant of HM The King

Regiment, Colours, Commander-in-Chief ; the House of Windsor is my fatherland

none the less, I would advise His Majesty

that Canada charging into a war of any sort, with the Republic of the United States of America

is a ruinous course

it won't be Vimy Ridge atop Queenston Heights

it will be the Somme upon the 49th Parallel

with respect, consider yourself warned, sir

[Dougie93]

On 1/14/2025 at 1:33 PM, Zeitgeist said:

What it illustrates is the foolishness and dishonesty of the leaders who tried to beat everyone with the woke-green progressive stick, telling them they’re too bigoted, too sexist, too capitalist, too colonial, too patriarchal, too wasteful, too wealthy, too free, too rude… Our own government recklessly devalued its people, people who know in the deepest ways what’s really important in life: an honest day’s work, opportunity, the ability to think and speak one’s thoughts freely, the ability to raise a family according to time-tested values…

now the same Laurentian Elites are calling for Canadians to charge into a war with the Americans

they are even invoking the War of 1812 all of a sudden

of course the naive Canadian Normies don't yet realize

that what they are charging into,

is not going to be  Queenston Heights, Chateauguay & Fort Detroit

rather more like Hong Kong, Dieppe & Passchendaele

on the bright side; with crisis comes opportunity

hard times breed better men

suffering is good for the soul

walk with the Nazarene when the whistle blows to go over the top

sic itur ad astra

[Dougie93]

On 1/14/2025 at 3:08 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

But, it is for our commitment to NATO. It makes up our 2% +. Sufficient nuclear weapons not only satisfies our NATO commitment, but it deters any Russian or Chines incursions. Why would our US allies be opposed to that.

America & NATO uphold the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty ( NPT )

in return, America provides Canada with a strategic nuclear deterrent by way of NORAD / NORTHCOM

and tactical nuclear weapons by way of the NATO Nuclear Sharing Program with B61's stored in Europe

so to acquire a sovereign nuclear deterrent of its own,

first Canada would have to withdraw from the Non Proliferation Treaty

that alone would be the act of a rogue state, joining the likes of Iran & North Korea

now, I would guess that any Government of Canada which even suggested such a course of action

would face an hysterical backlash from the Canadian electorate

but furthermore, if somehow a Canadian government survived that backlash

to actually embark upon a internationally sanctioned rogue nuclear weapons program

that government would be deposed by whatever means necessary by Washington

with the approval of the other NATO allies

bottom line ; no Canada, you are not allowed to have your own nuclear weapons

by international treaty which you signed up to

by the hysterical opposition of the Canadian public to owning such weapons

but ultimately, by Washington refusing to cede such authority to Canada outside of American control

[NAME REMOVED]

Wab Kinew is becoming my favorite Premier. He also would not hesitate to beat the s**t out of any MAGA hyena.

 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Wab Kinew is becoming my favorite Premier. He also would not hesitate to beat the s**t out of any MAGA hyena.

 

ha ha ha ha ha !

MAGA is going lay a beat down on Commie Canada from on high

too bad Wab doesn't have an air force 😎

[NAME REMOVED]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

ha ha ha ha ha !

MAGA is going lay a beat down on Commie Canada from on high

too bad Wab doesn't have an air force 😎

Nobody will argue that Canada will win a war against the US. They have the ability to conquer us in less than a week. That will be the easy part.  The occupation would likely destroy America. The US should have learned their lessons from Southeast Asia, Iraq and Afghanistan. All three were third World countries.

What is the US going to do, when Canadians eventually form miltas, that hide in the Canadian wilderness, and perform hit and run tactics, and Guerrilla warfare. What about the millions of Canadians inside America, that are invisible, considering we have the same culture, language, and demographics?

This is where you come in, @Dougie93. You can be a hero, and resist the occupation, or you can simp for the US Governemnt.

 

[Dougie93]

13 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

This is where you come in, @Dougie93. You can be a hero, and resist the occupation

I no longer recognize the legitimacy of the federal government in Ottawa

thus I would only fight for the Confederation, by verified direct order from His Majesty King Charles III himself

no intermediaries, no Members of Parliament, no bureaucrats nor officials

no Viceregal Governor General; go f*ck yourselves, Laurentian Elites

I require HM King Charles III,  personally, ordering me to fight,

as Sovereign & Commander-in-Chief, over & above the government

from Buckingham Palace by international broadcast on all lines of communication

Cuidich 'n Righ

Edited January 16 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

What is the US going to do, when Canadians eventually form miltias, that hide in the Canadian wilderness, and perform hit and run tactics, and Guerrilla warfare.

the pampered Laurentian Elites are not going to join you in the wilderness

rather, all these nabobs that you are rallying around now

would be the first ones to stab you in the back

the government in Ottawa would capitulate to the Americans

then the Canadian media would turn against you, you would be thrown under the bus by the CBC & Co.

then they would order HM Canadian Special Operations Forces Command to hunt you down as "terrorists"

so it would be JTF2 & JSOC operating side by side ; Kill - Capture the rogue "Militias"

you would be in a civil war against your own neighbours,

Canada revealed to be a giant Ulster therein