Russia’s propaganda machine is running roughshod in Canada

[NAME REMOVED]

1 minute ago, Deluge said:

Not true. It refutes the bullshit you posted because it's based in TRUTH, not left-wing manufactured bullshit. 

If you want the truth, you go to my source. If you want woke fueled TDS nonsense, you go to your sources. 

No thanks. I prefer factual sources to obtain information.

[Legato]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

No thanks. I prefer factual sources to obtain information.

Then why don't you post information from factual sources?

[Deluge]

8 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

No thanks. I prefer factual sources to obtain information.

Wrong. You prefer left-wing propaganda for your indoctrination. 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

There are obviously more. Whether they are victims of Russian propaganda, and have been brainwashed, or if they are bad faith actors remains to be seen. I believe this list includes @WestCanMan, @West, @Nationalist, @Dougie93, @Army Guy, @Legato, @Deluge , @Zeitgeist and others. Only they would know which category they fall under.

ah, the death throes of the Liberal Party of Canada have come

resorting to McCarthyism in gasping desperation

the Liberals will never recover from the ignominy of Justin Trudeau

the Natural Governing Party nevermore

[Michael Hardner]

30 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I've heard about that. It is very concerning, especially given the leader of the Opposition refused to obtain his National Security Clearance.  Canada has to do more to prevent foreign interference in our internal political affairs. Whether it be India, China, Russia, or America.

Brown was torpedoed due to a non-existent scandal and was (thankfully) able to come back 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

There are obviously more. Whether they are victims of Russian propaganda, and have been brainwashed, or if they are bad faith actors remains to be seen. I believe this list includes @WestCanMan, @West, @Nationalist, @Dougie93, @Army Guy, @Legato, @Deluge , @Zeitgeist and others. Only they would know which category they fall under.

This coming from a lair that can't help himself..I guy who has to twist facts to make his narrative...the same guy who's reading comprehension is the same as a third grader, the same guy that thinks getting a DUI is cool, ...I could go on but everyone already knows your that Karen thats just won't go away..... Ya Thats the guy i take my cues from....

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

There are obviously more. Whether they are victims of Russian propaganda, and have been brainwashed, or if they are bad faith actors remains to be seen. I believe this list includes @WestCanMan, @West, @Nationalist, @Dougie93, @Army Guy, @Legato, @Deluge , @Zeitgeist and others. Only they would know which category they fall under.

Awwwe...are your feewings hurt 'cause the truth just isn't on your side.

Poor Libbie...

[NAME REMOVED]

25 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

This coming from a lair that can't help himself..I guy who has to twist facts to make his narrative...the same guy who's reading comprehension is the same as a third grader, the same guy that thinks getting a DUI is cool, ...I could go on but everyone already knows your that Karen thats just won't go away..... Ya Thats the guy i take my cues from....

 

What a word salad. It's not good to be drinking at this time of the day, soldier. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, DUI_Offender said:

Russian interference operations against the United States during the 2016 presidential election were vast and complex.

 

Russian interference operations against the United States during the 2016 presidential election were vast and complex. That is the conclusion drawn by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, as well as by the Department of Justice, the intelligence community, and the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, in the course of their respective investigations.

The Russian government waged a well-documented, sustained campaign to weaken the United States, using multiple tools and tactics, damage American democracy and divide American citizens. That campaign continues today.

Acknowledging and understanding the threat is important, but only half the battle. It is up to U.S. political leaders to act on a bipartisan basis to deter authoritarian attacks and raise the cost of waging them. The Alliance for Securing Democracy’s Policy Blueprint for Countering Authoritarian Interference in Democracies suggests a path forward to combat these threats, not only for U.S. government, but also for the other pillars of our democratic society — the private sector, including the tech companies, media organizations, and civil society organizations. All must do their part in defending American democracy from foreign interference.

The Facts

• The U.S. intelligence community published a declassified joint report (ICA) assessing that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign aimed at the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The ICA describes a strategy that blended covert intelligence operations with the overt efforts of the Russian government and its proxies to further polarize public and political discourse in the United States and undermine the integrity of the U.S. electoral process. The bipartisan Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s own report on the Russian operation agreed with this assessment.

• Russian disinformation operations in 2016 targeted the political right and left, including Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Black Lives Matters activists, and secessionist movements in Texas and California. Bottom line: Russia’s goal was to exacerbate the divisions that already exist in the country to destabilize its democracy.

• Russian social media campaigns were not executed merely by armies of bots – Russian intelligence officers actually masqueraded as Americans online. Real Americans unknowingly participated in opposing protests that they believed were organized by fellow Americans. In fact, they were engineered over social media by Russian government operatives thousands of miles away.

• Russian government activity, including disinformation campaigns, supported by state-run media and sophisticated social media efforts, continued long after election day 2016. In fact, the Department of Justice’s October 2018 indictment of the accountant for the Russian government-sponsored Internet Research Agency (IRA) showed that the IRA’s budget increased 70 percent between 2016 and 2018. This demonstrates that authoritarian interference does not begin and end with any particular election. It is an ongoing challenge.

• Operatives from Russia’s military intelligence agency (GRU) hacked into the systems of the Democratic National Committee and the email accounts of top Clinton campaign officials, stole private emails and released those emails publicly through three channels: GRU-operated DCLeaks, Guccifer 2.0, and WikiLeaks.

• The Department of Homeland Security stated that Russian government hackers targeted the election infrastructure of 21 U.S. states ahead of the 2016 election, successfully penetrating a small number of them.

• Russia’s tactics are more expansive than just cyberattacks and disinformation campaigns. Russian national Maria Butina was indicted for operating as a foreign agent to establish a “back channel” with U.S. politicians, highlighting the wide range of Russian tactics and the ongoing nature of these operations.

• GRU officers continued cyberattacks on U.S. entities well into 2018.  An October 2018 Department of Justice indictment stated that from December 2014 until at least May 2018, Russian military intelligence officers “conducted persistent and sophisticated computer intrusions affecting U.S. persons, corporate entities, international organizations, and their respective employees located around the world, based on their strategic interest to the Russian government.”

“I know what they [the Russian government] did in ’16. I know what they tried to do in ’18. What will they do in 2020? That’s what keeps me up at night.” — Chris Krebs, Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, March 13, 2019

 

source; https://www.gmfus.org/news/fact-sheet-what-we-know-about-russias-interference-operations

So you're saying there's no evidence of Russian collusion?

[suds]

I draw the line when foreign actors start messing around with our electoral process. Other than that, am more concerned about government overreach on our opinions and what we watch, hear, and read (all in the name of protecting us from 'disinformation' of course). There are two sides to every story. Taking the Russian/Ukraine war for example, I'm pro Ukraine, but not adverse to hearing the Russian side of the story regardless of where it comes from or the funding behind it. I'm not a child and resent being treated like one.

[Radiorum]

That Russia is waging an internet war against the West is well established. Russia pours millions of dollars into producing false internet information to be consumed by millions of North Americans.

One of Putin’s main goals is to see Western democracy fail. “Look,” he can say to the Russian people, “our way is better.”

Below is linked an interesting article about a “former deputy Palm Beach County sheriff who fled to Moscow and became one of the Kremlin’s most prolific propagandists.” John Mark Dougan made his money as an operative of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service. He created the fake stories about the Zelenskyy’s using aid money to buy jewels and yachts and Tim Walz abusing a student when he was a teacher. All false, all originating in Russia.

American creating deepfakes targeting Harris works with Russian intel, documents show

Russia puts their sights on right-wing media. For some reason, they are more susceptible. Consider the right-wing influencers, like Tim Pool, who were duped into spreading Russian propaganda obtained from a media company that “was secretly funded by Russian state media employees to churn out English-language videos that were “often consistent” with the Kremlin’s “interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition” to Russian interests, like its war in Ukraine.

[suds]

45 minutes ago, Radiorum said:

Russia puts their sights on right-wing media. For some reason, they are more susceptible.

I don't see it as being all that complicated. Clinton interfered in Russian elections while Secretary of State, and Putin interfered in Clinton's second run for the Presidency in 2016. So since then, the Democrats have this hate on for Putin, but are cozy with China because of China's dealings with the Biden family. The Republicans on the other hand are the exact opposite with their relations to Russia and China. I guess it's just the petty way international politics mixed with domestic politics works. The old saying .... 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' seems to hold true. But in certain respects they're all playing with fire.

[taxme]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Moscow’s disinformation is often shared unwittingly by Canadians who don’t know its origin or purpose. Canada needs to fight it with stronger actions.

 

The emerging breadth and depth of Russian disinformation tactics represent a clear and present danger to Canadian sovereignty and freedom. Just as troubling, some Canadians consider Canada immune to Russian propaganda. It’s a mistaken belief that only helps these disinformation campaigns spread and take root.

Modern-day Russian propaganda is relentless, pernicious and is widespread globally. It aims to dull critical thinking, divide society and undermine democracy. It challenges our commitment to open debate by replacing informed critical conversations with paid lies. Media and social influencers, academics, journalists, community leaders, politicians and others are increasingly caught in the dragnet of these surreptitious tactics.

The many faces of Russian propaganda

Propaganda created or supported by the Kremlin and spread from within the West is a vital component of Russia’s war against Ukraine. It aims to sow confusion about who is to blame for the war and doubt about the effectiveness or desirability of western support for Ukraine.

Recent high-level warnings of Russian’s malicious actions include:

– Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s recent statement under oath that Russia is directly funding the prominent American provocateur Tucker Carlson to promote disinformation.

– U.S. justice department revelations of the use of a Canadian-owned media company to spread Kremlin-generated propaganda.

– Witnesses appearing before a House of Commons committee to raise concern that some members of the Russian state-run Valdai Club might be working as Russian propagandists.

Many other examples abound.

Yet, it’s an open question of how well the Canadian public and some of the country’s political leadership understand what is happening. Some visible forms of disinformation include angry online rants filled with outrageous and obvious lies about Russia’s war against Ukraine and bot and troll campaigns on social media.

But these are not the primary threat.

Rather, the Kremlin promotes a softer, more insidious approach that moves away from the sledgehammer to one based on the scalpel, which seeks to split open divides in western societies. This is achieved by funding content that appears domestic while furthering Moscow’s agenda and is unwittingly spread by those who don’t realize its origin and purpose.

A key issue we are facing in Canada is the difficulty distinguishing between Russian propaganda and well-informed, constructive debate. As propaganda gets absorbed into everyday discourse, our democratic debates are reframed and made increasingly inflammatory. Polarization occurs.

Moscow relentlessly exploits western citizens’ right to freedom of speech by insidiously inserting paid propaganda — chiefly into online networks — into those dialogues. Even for cultural, opinion, and political leaders, telling fact from fiction and propaganda from legitimate speech is not easy.

Unfortunately, pointing this out often raises angry and defensive responses among those who find meaning or belonging in online communities, and even from experts saturated with Russian misinformation. In turn, those who raise the issue can find themselves under attack and branded as opponents to free speech.

Safeguarding freedom of speech requires simultaneously preventing the distortion of facts targeted by Russian state-propaganda while fostering broad, vibrant, open, well-informed public conversation.

War on Ukraine: conflicting narratives

In the context of the Russian war on Ukraine, it is critical to remember that Russia does not hope to rally the West behind its illegal invasion. It uses its propaganda machine not to build Russia up but to tear Ukraine down.

Taking its lead from Putin, Russian propaganda presents Ukraine’s continued resistance as futile or threatening escalation. Ukraine’s capitulation or acceptance of Russia’s partial conquest is framed as peacemaking.

It presents western support for Ukraine as prolonging the war and obscures the obvious, that Russia can choose to halt its war and withdraw from Ukraine at any moment. And, right out of 1984, it blames Ukraine or NATO for the war that Russia started.

Counteraction needed

As the trickle of verifiable news of Russia’s interference in our democracy turns into a flood, and as Moscow continues its war against Ukraine, it is time for Canadians to act. Simply turning a blind eye to Russian propaganda will neither neutralize it nor make it go away. Canada is not waging an offensive information war against Russia, but we are most certainly a strategic target for Russian disinformation.

Complacency will only invite an intensification of disinformation efforts and amplify the negative consequences. Fact-checking campaigns are worthy but reactive and do not stop the disinformation perpetrators. We know what Russia is doing with its disinformation campaign. There are numerous remedies that could be considered. These range from diplomatic expulsions to legislation to public-awareness building to supporting independent organizations in their pre-bunking interventions and more.

Russia is actively attacking our democracy. Remaining on the current course is not an option.

source; https://policyoptions.irpp.org/magazines/december-2024/russia-propaganda-canada/

Now just where did you get all of this anti-Russian misinformation anyway? And how would you personally know that what you are being told by the anti-Russian MSM and the American and Canadian governments that what they are saying about Russia is all true? I need some real hard proof that Russia is a country that we should all be worried and concerned about. 

To be honest here, i fear the Canadian Marxist government more than i fear Russia. Russia is no threat to Canada. I never heard of Russian troops training and being on Canadian soil, but i have heard that there has been Chinese troops training on Canadian soil.

Pretty much everything that comes out of Ottawa's Marxist mouth is mostly made up of dis and misinformation. In other words, they lie. The legacy media has no honor and is only being kept alive by the few remaining buffoons that keep listening to their Marxist mis and disinformation bullshit. Just saying. 

[West]

Evidently the shutting down and villianization of opposite opinions is all part of any authoritarian regimes playbook.  

Trudeau is either himself a Marxist or is being controlled by Marxists or a combination of both

[ironstone]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Another Canadian influencer, Lauren Southern, produced dozens of videos about Canadian politics for the site. She claims she was unaware of how Tenet was funded.

Lauren addressed this recently. 

It's a fact of life that countries interfere in the affairs of other countries to some degree. Personally I have more concern about the influence of the CCP in Canada rather than Putin.

I do subscribe to her channel and love her content. I would urge others to check it out for for themselves.

Edited December 7, 2024 by ironstone

[taxme]

6 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

Major Russian disinfo site featuring anti-Trudeau articles prompts calls for new focus at public inquiry

A website at the heart of an international Russian disinformation operation has produced more than a dozen articles about Canadian politics in an apparent attempt to undermine support for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and boost his chief rival, Pierre Poilievre.

The website Reliable Recent News has been identified by officials in Europe and the U.S. as a repository for pro-Kremlin articles that are distributed through a network of affiliated sites disguised to appear as legitimate news outlets.

Earlier this month, U.S. authorities seized a domain that hosted Reliable Recent News (RRN), though it continues to operate on another domain. In an affidavit, authorities describe RRN as a tool to "further the malign influence campaign" waged by Russia in support of its invasion of Ukraine.

The RRN articles about Canadian politics focus on controversies involving the Liberal government, often supplying inaccurate descriptions of its policies and ridiculing Trudeau. He is referred to as the "incompetent prime minister" and, elsewhere, as being "better suited to a role in a political satire alongside Vladimir Zelensky," the Ukrainian president.

Some articles also indicate a preference for Poilievre, who in a recent piece is referred to as "the savvy leader of the pro-business Conservatives."

A screengrab from RRN, where articles about Canadian politics often feature inaccurate descriptions of Liberal government policies. (Reliable Recent News)

In a statement to CBC News, deputy Conservative leader Melissa Lantsman said, "Any act of foreign interference in Canada, by any foreign government is unacceptable." 

A spokesperson for the Prime Minister's Office told CBC News on Saturday that "the government takes any attempt of foreign interference very seriously as a threat to Canadian national security and democratic integrity."

Doppelganger comes to Canada

Disinformation experts have been aware of RRN for nearly two years as it plays a key role in an elaborate disinformation scheme known as Doppelganger, which is aimed at voters in Europe and the U.S. 

"I was actually quite surprised by just the volume of [Canadian] content," said Marcus Kolga, director of DisinfoWatch, a Canadian group that monitors disinformation. But he noted that the content of the Canadian articles aligns squarely with the goals of Russian propaganda, which were detailed in documents supporting the affidavit.

"All these headlines seek to divide and polarize. That's the objective that was outlined in the affidavit," he said. The seizure of the RRN domain came immediately following bombshell allegations by U.S. authorities that Tenet Media, a right-wing website started by Canadian influencer Lauren Chen, was funded and directed by Russian operatives.

Another Canadian influencer, Lauren Southern, produced dozens of videos about Canadian politics for the site. She claims she was unaware of how Tenet was funded.

Canadian conservative activist Lauren Southern livestreams a video during a rally in Berkeley, Calif., on April 27, 2017. Southern has produced videos for Tenet Media focused on Canada, including one calling the country a 'communist hellhole.' (Josh Edelson/AFP/Getty Images)

Calls for inquiry to focus more on Russia 

The identification of an additional source of Russian propaganda about Canada has led to calls for the ongoing public inquiry into foreign interference, which resumes public hearings on Monday, to devote more attention to Russia's actions in Canada. 

"I was concerned that Russia was completely missed during the first phase," said Kolga. 

In a preliminary report released in May, the inquiry concluded that "Russia is likely not currently a significant foreign interference threat to Canadian federal elections." The Russian Canadian Democratic Alliance, a diaspora group that testified in the first phase of hearings, has asked the inquiry to revisit those conclusions in light of the allegations about Tenet Media.

It also believes the RRN articles constitute interference within the terms laid out by the inquiry. 

"I think any attempt by foreign governments to influence Canadian citizens' opinions, especially when we know that there's a lot of money changing hands, is something that the commission should investigate," said Yuriy Novodvorskiy, the group's director. 

How resilient is Canada?

There is little indication that RRN articles about Canada were shared widely on mainstream social media sites.  Meta, Facebook's parent company, has indicated in the past that it is aware of the RRN campaign and takes steps to prevent its content from circulating.

"Overall, I don't think it has that much impact," said Kolga, who is also affiliated with the Canadian Digital Media Research Network. But he did express concern about the cumulative effect of disinformation in an increasingly divided society. 

"If we're looking at the narratives focused on Ukraine in the U.S., it's clear that they had some effect," he said, pointing to prominent influencers who have retweeted Kremlin talking points.

His colleague at the research network, McGill assistant professor Aengus Bridgman, says there's no indication that public opinion in Canada is any more resilient to disinformation campaigns.

"Most of these measures [of polarization] are worsening in the Canadian context, particularly amongst people who spend a lot of time online," Bridgman said.

They may be a small percentage of the overall population, but they "end up being consequential for politics," he said. "They are the loudest voices. That's where the energy is in politics today."

Boy, you sure like to do a lot of talking? 😁

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38 minutes ago, taxme said:

Now just where did you get all of this anti-Russian misinformation anyway? And how would you personally know that what you are being told by the anti-Russian MSM and the American and Canadian governments that what they are saying about Russia is all true? I need some real hard proof that Russia is a country that we should all be worried and concerned about. 

To be honest here, i fear the Canadian Marxist government more than i fear Russia. Russia is no threat to Canada. I never heard of Russian troops training and being on Canadian soil, but i have heard that there has been Chinese troops training on Canadian soil.

Pretty much everything that comes out of Ottawa's Marxist mouth is mostly made up of dis and misinformation. In other words, they lie. The legacy media has no honor and is only being kept alive by the few remaining buffoons that keep listening to their Marxist mis and disinformation bullshit. Just saying. 

Welcome back, taxme. Long time no see. 

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by DUI_Offender

[taxme]

1 minute ago, DUI_Offender said:

Welcome back, taxme. Long time no see. 

I hope the woman dropped the charges.

"Welcome back". Wtf are you talking about? I did not go anywhere. Pay attention to what is going on around here, will ya. 

Geez, i hope so too, what ever the charges were? Do you know as to what were the charges anyway? Just wondering. 😁

[NAME REMOVED]

2 minutes ago, taxme said:

"Welcome back". Wtf are you talking about? I did not go anywhere. Pay attention to what is going on around here, will ya. 

 

Perhaps I just did not notice you, since when you post, I don;t read anything you say.

Regardless, welcome back!

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Radiorum said:

That Russia is waging an internet war against the West is well established. Russia pours millions of dollars into producing false internet information to be consumed by millions of North Americans.

One of Putin’s main goals is to see Western democracy fail. “Look,” he can say to the Russian people, “our way is better.”

Below is linked an interesting article about a “former deputy Palm Beach County sheriff who fled to Moscow and became one of the Kremlin’s most prolific propagandists.” John Mark Dougan made his money as an operative of the GRU, Russia’s military intelligence service. He created the fake stories about the Zelenskyy’s using aid money to buy jewels and yachts and Tim Walz abusing a student when he was a teacher. All false, all originating in Russia.

American creating deepfakes targeting Harris works with Russian intel, documents show

Russia puts their sights on right-wing media. For some reason, they are more susceptible. Consider the right-wing influencers, like Tim Pool, who were duped into spreading Russian propaganda obtained from a media company that “was secretly funded by Russian state media employees to churn out English-language videos that were “often consistent” with the Kremlin’s “interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition” to Russian interests, like its war in Ukraine.

Every study into this has shown it had no significant impact whatsoever on any election.

I have no doubt that the Russians muck about with information warfare. If we're being honest I'm pretty sure the US does as well. China definitely does and so does India.

We can have a wider discussion about this but trying to pretend that the Russians had any actual impact on any of the elections is simply a joke.

[NAME REMOVED]

 @CdnFox, I see than you are somewhat upset that I called you out. I did not mean to offend you. As an offer of peace, I will play a song for you. This is where your loyalty is, above all else. So be proud, and salute your handlers!

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

@CdnFox, I see than you are somewhat upset that I called you out.

No, you were just hoping i would be and i wasn't so you're going to make another feeble attempt

3 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

I did not mean to offend you.

Yes you did and you're clearly upset that it didn't happen that way.  

Honestly kid I can't imagine how much you'd have to drink to think you're coming across as anything but the lowest form of loser here.

Why is it when the left loses an argument or does something stupid they go so far out of their way to double down on looking like complete trash humans?

[Radiorum]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

no significant impact whatsoever

Then why do Republicans wear t-shirts that say 'I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I'm pretty sure the US does as well.

The difference is of course that there is no censorship in the US the way there is in Russia. 

In Russia, the main censor is Roskomnadzor - who were especially active in the run-up to the Russian "election"

Russia’s main censor — Roskomnadzor — secretly monitors publications critical of Russian authorities on the internet. They generate reports that they then send to the security forces. What does it mean for Russian citizens?

https://istories.media/en/stories/2023/02/08/how-roskomnadzor-protects-putins-power/

Western social media such as Facebook and tens of thousands of websites have been censored by the Russian government under the pretext of “protecting its digital space against external influences” since the invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. But to the dismay of the authorities, this prompted a big increase in the use of VPNs.

In its desire to increase control, the Russian media regulator, Roskomnadzor, has reportedly stepped up blocking tests using methods directly recommended by its Chinese neighbour. On 27 February, for example, Russian citizens found websites and applications that are permitted in Russia, including YouTube, WhatsApp, and VKontakte (Russia's Facebook), were blocked. Then, several officially banned platforms, such as Facebook, Instagram and X, were inexplicably accessible (without VPN) for several hours.

https://rsf.org/en/kremlin-steps-online-censorship-order-silence-last-opposition-voices-ahead-presidential-election

 

[Dougie93]

16 hours ago, ironstone said:

 Personally I have more concern about the influence of the CCP in Canada rather than Putin.

the Chinese Communists are simply waiting for the Woke Progressive Liberals to totally destroy Canada from within

then the CCP will have control of the leftist totalitarian Post National State, nary a shot fired

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

Then why do Republicans wear t-shirts that say 'I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"

 

Well first off all of them? Every single one? You can't be a republican if you don't do that?

  Do you maybe want to put aside the hatred and bigotry for a minute while we're having this conversation?  

I'm sure there are some that do, however the reason is simple. As bad as the Russians are democrats are worse. You might as well get a t-shirt saying I'd rather be a pile of poo then a democrat because it would probably be just as accurate

But a number of Investigations were launched in every single one of them turns up the same result. No substantial impact.

4 hours ago, Radiorum said:

The difference is of course that there is no censorship in the US the way there is in Russia. 

Why is that the difference? Why would it make it better for a US government to interfere in Russia just because they have some species of censorship?

You posted a whole bunch of garbage but didn't make your point. What was all of that supposed to be in support of?

The Russians like all people find ways around their sensor and consume media. That's a simple fact. United states almost certainly manipulates that media just as the Russians attempt to manipulate North American Media.

So your point is absolutely... well, pointless.

The Russians had no measurable impact on the outcome of the election in the united states, I have no idea if the united states impacts Russia overly much but you can bet that they try the same. Was there anything else?