"Joel Kotkin: Western nations cripple their economies with green initiatives while China and others laugh"

[blackbird]

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North America, with its vast resources, may be in a position to save the economies of the west. But governments on both sides of the border seem more concerned with green virtue signaling than actually finding a workable approach to carbon emissions that does not undermine our economies and ability to defend ourselves.

The prevailing notion, both in Ottawa and D.C., is that our countries should ignore our resources, and how best to use them, in order to fulfill a messianic vision of massive, rapid emissions reduction.

Canada’s proposed carbon tax, pushed through media at government expense , and zealously promoted by Mark Carney , who thinks mass decarbonization, as epitomized by Europe, provides the road map to prosperity, despite the continent’s consistent economic lethargy.

This approach has also poisoned politics as not all provinces are affected equally by the initiative. The institution of the carbon tax and other measures by government and through the relentless pressure of green non-profits, to get a 40 per cent emissions cut by 2030 may be the toast of investment bankers betting on cashing in on forced changes. But for taxpayers, the impact will vary by province. Fossil fuels account for five per cent of Canada’s overall GDP but four times as much in Calgary, Newfoundland and Labrador."

Joel Kotkin: Western nations cripple their economies with green initiatives while China and others laugh (msn.com)

The liberals and left are bent on fighting climate change.  No amount of reasoning with them makes any difference.  They have a death cult mentality and are determined to take the rest of the country down with them.

Edited October 15, 2024 by blackbird

[taxme]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

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North America, with its vast resources, may be in a position to save the economies of the west. But governments on both sides of the border seem more concerned with green virtue signaling than actually finding a workable approach to carbon emissions that does not undermine our economies and ability to defend ourselves.

The prevailing notion, both in Ottawa and D.C., is that our countries should ignore our resources, and how best to use them, in order to fulfill a messianic vision of massive, rapid emissions reduction.

Canada’s proposed carbon tax, pushed through media at government expense , and zealously promoted by Mark Carney , who thinks mass decarbonization, as epitomized by Europe, provides the road map to prosperity, despite the continent’s consistent economic lethargy.

This approach has also poisoned politics as not all provinces are affected equally by the initiative. The institution of the carbon tax and other measures by government and through the relentless pressure of green non-profits, to get a 40 per cent emissions cut by 2030 may be the toast of investment bankers betting on cashing in on forced changes. But for taxpayers, the impact will vary by province. Fossil fuels account for five per cent of Canada’s overall GDP but four times as much in Calgary, Newfoundland and Labrador."

Joel Kotkin: Western nations cripple their economies with green initiatives while China and others laugh (msn.com)

The liberals and left are bent on fighting climate change.  No amount of reasoning with them makes any difference.  They have a death cult mentality and are determined to take the rest of the country down with them.

It is time to get rid of the Marxist leftist liberals and Marxist democrats once and for all. Both Marxists political party's have done whatever they could to try and destroy North America and try and turn North America into another 3rd world hell hole. Hopefully Republican Trump wins the next American election and Conservative Poilievre wins the next election in Canada. Only those two political Conservative party's can save North America from communism. 😇

[Michael Hardner]

More blather.

This is the source of the idea.  They would likely have opposed Sheer's proposal too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitas_Institute

[herbie]

Duh, it's just too hard to make money from Green initiatives.
Say those who don't want to try.

[Legato]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

More blather.

This is the source of the idea.  They would likely have opposed Sheer's proposal too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitas_Institute

And?

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

More blather.

This is the source of the idea.  They would likely have opposed Sheer's proposal too:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civitas_Institute

It may be blather to you, but it is common sense and logic to me. 

It is our useless and stupid woke so called politicians that create inflation because they keep borrowing money from the globalist banksters who then blow that borrowed money on useless and stupid green energy bull chit and woke Marxist nonsense. The more the government borrows from the globalist banksters the worse things will get. It's common bloody sense. 

It is not the western nations that are causing all the pollution problems, it is the 3rd world countries like India, China and many Arab countries that needs to stop polluting the environment. Even the jet setter billionaires contribute pollution to the environment with their constantly flying their private jets every where they go. While you MH are expected to take the bus to wherever you want to go. 

It is so bloody sad that there are so many imbeciles out there who still believe in this climate crisis nonsense. A climate crisis does exist according to those fools. 👎

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

Duh, it's just too hard to make money from Green initiatives.
Say those who don't want to try.

So, are you trying? Just asking. 

[blackbird]

Human CO2 emissions are about 3% of the atmospheric CO2.  Natural CO2 is 97% of the atmospheric CO2.

The total CO2 in the atmosphere is about 400 parts per million (PPM).  This is called a trace gas.

Out of that approximately 400 PPM Canada produces about 0.18 PPM.  That is negligible or almost nothing.  It is time to wake up and realize this whole thing is total nonsense.

We are being sold a bill of goods by the U.N. and people like Trudeau and Greta Thunberg.  Sadly millions believe these people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Canada could kill all its energy industries, stop driving gas or diesel vehicles and stop heating homes with LNG or oil and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere or affect the climate.

The whole idea of blaming mankind for climate change is ludicrous and insane.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Duh, it's just too hard to make money from Green initiatives.
Say those who don't want to try.

Are you kidding? Millions and millions have been spent by the government's hiring their friends to do papers that don't actually provide any concrete conclusions other than"I'm doing a really good job " 

Tons of people are getting ultra rich off of climate change. But it's not fixing any climate change and meanwhile the rest of the economy suffers like hell.

If something is profitable or a good idea then there isn't the question of whether or not people want to try it just happens because that's how the market works. If you have to force it down people's throats and then can't produce any results to show that it was worth it you have a problem.

[cougar]

10 hours ago, blackbird said:

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North America, with its vast resources, may be in a position to save the economies of the west. But governments on both sides of the border seem more concerned with green virtue signaling than actually finding a workable approach to carbon emissions that does not undermine our economies and ability to defend ourselves.

The prevailing notion, both in Ottawa and D.C., is that our countries should ignore our resources, and how best to use them, in order to fulfill a messianic vision of massive, rapid emissions reduction.

Canada’s proposed carbon tax, pushed through media at government expense , and zealously promoted by Mark Carney , who thinks mass decarbonization, as epitomized by Europe, provides the road map to prosperity, despite the continent’s consistent economic lethargy.

This approach has also poisoned politics as not all provinces are affected equally by the initiative. The institution of the carbon tax and other measures by government and through the relentless pressure of green non-profits, to get a 40 per cent emissions cut by 2030 may be the toast of investment bankers betting on cashing in on forced changes. But for taxpayers, the impact will vary by province. Fossil fuels account for five per cent of Canada’s overall GDP but four times as much in Calgary, Newfoundland and Labrador."

Joel Kotkin: Western nations cripple their economies with green initiatives while China and others laugh (msn.com)

The liberals and left are bent on fighting climate change.  No amount of reasoning with them makes any difference.  They have a death cult mentality and are determined to take the rest of the country down with them.

Who wrote this s*t?  You ?

[taxme]

16 hours ago, blackbird said:

Human CO2 emissions are about 3% of the atmospheric CO2.  Natural CO2 is 97% of the atmospheric CO2.

The total CO2 in the atmosphere is about 400 parts per million (PPM).  This is called a trace gas.

Out of that approximately 400 PPM Canada produces about 0.18 PPM.  That is negligible or almost nothing.  It is time to wake up and realize this whole thing is total nonsense.

We are being sold a bill of goods by the U.N. and people like Trudeau and Greta Thunberg.  Sadly millions believe these people who have no idea what they are talking about.

Canada could kill all its energy industries, stop driving gas or diesel vehicles and stop heating homes with LNG or oil and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere or affect the climate.

The whole idea of blaming mankind for climate change is ludicrous and insane.

The climate crisis is the new covid lie and hoax. Even the billionaire globalists do not believe in it and yet they are the ones that keep pushing this climate crisis nonsense and bull chit. The sad part about it all is that people are told that there is a problem, but yet, never bother to do their own research to see if there really is a problem. They just take what their lying globalist puppet on a string politicians and the lying left wing liberal MSM tells them as the gospel truth. Bloody sad.

 

[herbie]

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I did my own research and...

Translation: it's time to stop listening. They aren't a researcher and don't even know how to.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

Translation: it's time to stop listening. They aren't a researcher and don't even know how to.

Absolutely, you should post your research or research that you believe to be credible to show that you know as much or more than he does   

Edited October 18, 2024 by CdnFox

[Michael Hardner]

On 10/15/2024 at 5:25 PM, Legato said:

And?

They're a lobby group for industry.

What does it mean that China is "laughing"?

I just checked and all the big signatories to the accord are doing about the same.

[Michael Hardner]

On 10/15/2024 at 5:36 PM, taxme said:

It may be blather to you, but it is common sense and logic to me. 

 

Of course.  That's why you are always posting opinions, as you have been for years.

Your mind is closed.

[SkyHigh]

37 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Of course.  That's why you are always posting opinions, as you have been for years.

Your mind is closed.

Seriously, do you think taxme is really that dumb or just a master troll?

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, SkyHigh said:

Seriously, do you think taxme is really that dumb or just a master troll?

He used to post as Mr. Canada and his obsession was homosexuality.  He seems to be angry and unhinged.

Like most trolls, his politics is about p1ss1ng off people or types he doesn't like.

Another product of a nihilistic consumer society IMO.

[SkyHigh]

32 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

He used to post as Mr. Canada and his obsession was homosexuality.  He seems to be angry and unhinged.

Like most trolls, his politics is about p1ss1ng off people or types he doesn't like.

Another product of a nihilistic consumer society IMO.

Honestly, I think it's an act. I can't see how anyone with that kind of flawed logic could even work a computer, no less manage to be a productive member of society. 

[Goddess]

Up to $41 billion of the funds distributed to climate causes by the World Bank between 2017 and 2023 are unaccounted for due to poor accounting standards, according to an audit from Oxfam International published Thursday.

Up to $41 billion in World Bank climate finance unaccounted for, Oxfam finds | Oxfam International

There is no clear public record showing where this money went or how it was used, which makes any assessment of its impacts impossible. It also remains unclear whether these funds were even spent on climate-related initiatives intended to help low- and middle-income countries protect people from the impacts of the climate crisis and invest in clean energy.

"We had to sift through layers of complex and incomplete reports, and even then, the data was full of gaps and inconsistencies.".......said Donald.

 

Very much like the SDTC/Green Slush Fund here in Canada.

It's a hoax.  A very profitable hoax.  The parasite elite class doesn't believe it - they're stealing the money and still flying around in private jets, buying up ocean-front properties - but they sure want you to believe it.

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Goddess said:

Up to $41 billion of the funds distributed to climate causes by the World Bank between 2017 and 2023 are unaccounted for due to poor accounting standards, according to an audit from Oxfam International published Thursday.

Up to $41 billion in World Bank climate finance unaccounted for, Oxfam finds | Oxfam International

There is no clear public record showing where this money went or how it was used, which makes any assessment of its impacts impossible. It also remains unclear whether these funds were even spent on climate-related initiatives intended to help low- and middle-income countries protect people from the impacts of the climate crisis and invest in clean energy.

"We had to sift through layers of complex and incomplete reports, and even then, the data was full of gaps and inconsistencies.".......said Donald.

 

Very much like the SDTC/Green Slush Fund here in Canada.

It's a hoax.  A very profitable hoax.  The parasite elite class doesn't believe it - they're stealing the money and still flying around in private jets, buying up ocean-front properties - but they sure want you to believe it.

What kills me is that the left wing claims that it's the rich industrialists who actually provide jobs and products and services that are valuable to our society are the source of wealth inequality instead of these jokers Who take billions of tax and line their own pockets to fight fake causes

[Aristides]

China is the worlds largest producer of wind and solar power and largest manufacturer of EV's

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Aristides said:

China is the worlds largest producer of wind and solar power and largest manufacturer of EV's

It's also the largest polluter, and more importantly the fastest growing polluter. They literally produce an increase of greenhouse gases equal to Canada's entire output every2 years or slightly less

So if we shut down tomorrow and literally produce not a single drop of greenhouse gases china would replace everything that we had saved in about 20 months.

But sure, maybe a tax will save the planet

Edited October 21, 2024 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Aristides said:

China is the worlds largest producer of wind and solar power and largest manufacturer of EV's

Just to be more specific... 

Carbon dioxide emissions increase, driven by China, India and aviation | AP News

If China and India were excluded from the count, world carbon dioxide emissions from the burning of fossil fuels and cement manufacturing would have dropped, Friedlingstein said.

The world in 2023 increased its annual emissions by 398 million metric tons, but it was in three places: China, India and the skies. China’s fossil fuel emissions went up 458 million metric tons from last year, India’s went up 233 million metric tons and aviation emissions increased 145 million metric tons.

 

in 2023 canada produced 703 million metric tonnes. China went up by 458.  I mean seriously  they're down to about one canada every 1.5 years at this point. 

Edited October 21, 2024 by CdnFox

[Michael Hardner]

10 hours ago, Aristides said:

China is the worlds largest producer of wind and solar power and largest manufacturer of EV's

And they're not doing much worse than Western nations on CO2 reduction from the reports I have seen.The idea that they ignoring the accord is itself laughable when the USA actually pulled out of it and may well again.

[eyeball]

19 hours ago, Goddess said:

"We had to sift through layers of complex and incomplete reports, and even then, the data was full of gaps and inconsistencies.".

Sounds pretty typical when spending public money anywhere you look - crappy government accounting is a separate issue that plagues human societies everywhere.

Like accounting for human impacts to Earth's ecosystems it's mostly an exercise in avoidance, denial, exaggeration and under-performance.

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

And they're not doing much worse than Western nations on CO2 reduction from the reports I have seen.The idea that they ignoring the accord is itself laughable when the USA actually pulled out of it and may well again.

They are doing MUCH worse as i previously posted.