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13 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

So i guess science is not enough today, we are now leaning on logical conclusions to explain things, much like the infinite amount of genders, or the budget will balance itself... what your asking all of us to do is trust in someone's logic...like that one guy that thought the earth was flat and if we ventured to far east or west we could fall off...Today most of would laugh at that type of logic...some still believe it is true...But with such a lack of proof one can not blame the doubters...

 

These are the crazy years that precede collapse the way decadence usually does.

Can anyone recall reading a fictional dystopian story that was stranger than the reality we live in now?

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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10 minutes ago, eyeball said:

These are the crazy years that precede collapse the way decadence usually does.

Can anyone recall reading a fictional dystopian story that was stranger than the reality we live in now?

Yes, "Hothouse" Brian Aldiss.

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You know gas prices just jumped overnight 13¢ a litre.
No tax increase
No increase in oil prices
No supply or production shortage
No switch to a "midsummer" blend.
No reason whatsoever......

And I saw a few mentions in the local Letters to the Editor but no convoy of snivelling whiners descending on Ottawa like over 3¢ carbon tax hike.

Oh I guess it's perfectly fine for oil companies to rip you off, so long as not a penny goes to the govt that runs things. Hyuk hyuk that wood bee kommunist... yuk yuk...

and we'll be shocked when grocery prices go up to cover that bread price fixing fine won't we?

 

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21 minutes ago, herbie said:

You know gas prices just jumped overnight 13¢ a litre.
No tax increase
No increase in oil prices
No supply or production shortage
No switch to a "midsummer" blend.
No reason whatsoever......

And I saw a few mentions in the local Letters to the Editor but no convoy of snivelling whiners descending on Ottawa like over 3¢ carbon tax hike.

Oh I guess it's perfectly fine for oil companies to rip you off, so long as not a penny goes to the govt that runs things. Hyuk hyuk that wood bee kommunist... yuk yuk...

and we'll be shocked when grocery prices go up to cover that bread price fixing fine won't we?

 

Yes, did you know one-third of gas prices in B.C. are taxes of various kinds?  Did you know we have the highest gas prices in north America.  All because of government intervention in the economy and taxes.  With this NDP government it is a crime to develop natural resources. How do you explain why gas prices are much lower in the U.S.A.   More freedom and less government is the reason.

Government makes sure there is not much competition in B.C.  Only one pipeline (TMX) and few refineries.

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Long weekend coming, gas prices just jumped 15 cents a litre on the lower mainland. 1.58 on Monday evening, 1.73 this morning. That isn't taxes.

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Yes, did you know one-third of gas prices in B.C. are taxes of various kinds?  Did you know we have the highest gas prices in north America.  All because of government intervention in the economy and taxes.  With this NDP government it is a crime to develop natural resources. How do you explain why gas prices are much lower in the U.S.A.   More freedom and less government is the reason.

Government makes sure there is not much competition in B.C.  Only one pipeline (TMX) and few refineries.

We used to have four refineries on the lower mainland, the government didn't shut down three of them, the industry did. BC can now only refine 30% of what it uses, the rest has to come from Alberta and Washington.

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8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Long weekend coming, gas prices just jumped 15 cents a litre on the lower mainland. 1.58 on Monday evening, 1.73 this morning. That isn't taxes.

But if it wasn't for one-third of the price being taxes, the price would a lot lower.

Why does it have to come from Alberta and Washington?  Most likely because of government interference and regulations and the lack of a pipeline.  We had Trans Mountain for decades but it probably wasn't big enough to supply more refineries.  So they built bigger pipeline and use it to ship oil overseas.  If government had not interfered so much with the industry, there might be more refineries in B.C. and lower prices.

Trudeau stopped the plan to build the Northern Gateway pipeline soon after they were elected in 2015.  They also banned tankers off the B.C. north coast.  A Northern Gateway pipeline would have reduced pressure on the TMX pipeline and possibly  provided more oil for refineries in B.C.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well it's your fantasy, I guess. 

I can't go too far into it or I'll start imagining Elon Musk in an iron mask and leather underwear... riding on top of dune buggy with a bazooka in hand.

LMAO! I doubt that too.

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On 7/30/2024 at 5:58 PM, Aristides said:

Warming winters allowed the mountain pine beetle to move north during the nineties and destroy a large swaths of BC and Alberta pine forests. A lot of the dead wood was logged but much of it remains and is now contributing nice seasoned fuel for fires. Deniers seem incapable of making simple connections like this.

Nobody ever seems to want to stop and think that this is probably natures way of doing things. Why is it that everything happening in the environment is all man made? There can be no way for humans to be blamed for bringing pine beetle bugs north. That is conspiracy thinking to think so. Humans probably use about 10% of the planet to live on. The rest is for nature to do with as it pleases and it does as it pleases. Earth has been under attack for thousands upon thousands of years, by nature itself, but yet the earth still survives. If nature wants to bring bugs north to eat the trees, well, so be it. 

I am starting to wonder as to why there have been so many forest fires happening in Canada and America these past two years especially to small cities and towns where many have been burned to the ground. How can a fire in Maui for instance burn down a whole town? As a conspiracy minded type guy, all of these fires are starting to appear to me to be part of a conspiracy. Hey, we never know, eh? 😇

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On 7/31/2024 at 3:57 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I don't know... you do you I guess. 

The fact that things are sometimes not provable doesn't mean we have to puke out ridiculous conclusions such as you have done. 

Humans are causing climate change. Cigarettes cause cancer. Science is a tool for us to make decisions.

Stop being so hysterical.

 

 

Sorry Michael , for i second there i thought i could keep up with the mental master of the universe....I'm trying to let it go, and bow to your superior intellect, but it is like an internal struggle in my mind between bad and good guys on my shoulders...

on one side the bad guy, ( thats you Michael) is saying the entire climate change thing can not be proven, not by science, or intellect's much smarter than you or i...and that sometimes we just have to lean on someone's opinion "you call it logic"...

And at one point of time someone once said the earth was flat, Unproven of course and was based on nothing more than their logic or best guess....Sorry for puking up my ridiculous theory once again, but i think they are very comparable. mine is ridiculous and yours is to be taken as gospel just cause....thats the new thing today...just believe....

I agree humans are causing climate change...."if" there was such a thing...who else could it be really....we are poisoning, and destroying this planet in every way possible thats a fact proven by science and smart people...is this damage effecting the climate, nobody knows or nobody can prove that at the moment...

The whole climate change has driven many on this planet to be hysterical...I'm not one of them...with the extremists of climate change driving people away from even entertaining the thought that climate change may be real....

We have poured bils upon bils into a issue that has not been even proven to exist that is not good fiscal management....even the major car companies are slowing down production or stopping production of electrical vehicles...and our liberals have poured their hearts and minds into that project...leaving us a huge bill and nothing to show for it...

Climate change was invented by the rich to force us into thinking our future depends on spending trillions of dollars to help them become richer...

 

 

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On 7/31/2024 at 4:14 PM, herbie said:

You know gas prices just jumped overnight 13¢ a litre.
No tax increase
No increase in oil prices
No supply or production shortage
No switch to a "midsummer" blend.
No reason whatsoever......

And I saw a few mentions in the local Letters to the Editor but no convoy of snivelling whiners descending on Ottawa like over 3¢ carbon tax hike.

Oh I guess it's perfectly fine for oil companies to rip you off, so long as not a penny goes to the govt that runs things. Hyuk hyuk that wood bee kommunist... yuk yuk...

and we'll be shocked when grocery prices go up to cover that bread price fixing fine won't we?

 

Yes 3 % does not sound very much but when you add the already established governmental taxes is accounts for a large share of the fuel price...but then again the more social services you get the more taxes you get to pay for it...

https://natural-resources.canada.ca/our-natural-resources/domestic-and-international-markets/transportation-fuel-prices/fuel-consumption-taxes-canada/18885

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On 7/31/2024 at 1:18 PM, blackbird said:

But if it wasn't for one-third of the price being taxes, the price would a lot lower.

Why does it have to come from Alberta and Washington?  Most likely because of government interference and regulations and the lack of a pipeline.  We had Trans Mountain for decades but it probably wasn't big enough to supply more refineries.  So they built bigger pipeline and use it to ship oil overseas.  If government had not interfered so much with the industry, there might be more refineries in B.C. and lower prices.

Trudeau stopped the plan to build the Northern Gateway pipeline soon after they were elected in 2015.  They also banned tankers off the B.C. north coast.  A Northern Gateway pipeline would have reduced pressure on the TMX pipeline and possibly  provided more oil for refineries in B.C.

The overnight increase had nothing to do with taxes, other than GST. It was oil companies that decided to eliminate refineries in BC, not government. Half of the original Trans Mountain capacity ( about 150,000 barrels a day) goes to refineries in Washington.

There will be no new refineries in BC for couple of reasons. A: The environmental movement and  government will make it impossible to build them. B: Oil companies are not going to spend billions on new refineries just so they can get less money for their product. Restricting supply means higher prices and more profit for them.

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3 hours ago, Aristides said:

The overnight increase had nothing to do with taxes, other than GST. It was oil companies that decided to eliminate refineries in BC, not government. Half of the original Trans Mountain capacity ( about 150,000 barrels a day) goes to refineries in Washington.

There will be no new refineries in BC for couple of reasons. A: The environmental movement and  government will make it impossible to build them. B: Oil companies are not going to spend billions on new refineries just so they can get less money for their product. Restricting supply means higher prices and more profit for them.

Why don't they restrict supply in Washington State then and other states and provinces?  Why does B.C. have the highest gas prices in north America?  Greater Vancouver, BC also has the highest real estate prices in north America.  

Your claim about restricting supply doesn't sound credible.  I have heard a lot on the news about gas prices but never heard that the supply was deliberately being restricted in B.C. to raise prices.

Why is gas about 19% less expensive in Washington State than in Vancouver, B.C.?

The overnight price increase on gas may have nothing to do with taxes, but that doesn't change the fact that about one-third of gas prices in B.C. are taxes.

The cost of real estate and everything is outrageous in Canada because of our federal government and provincial government's spending and policies.  We need to face the truth or stick our heads in the sand.

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2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Climate change was invented by the rich to force us into thinking our future depends on spending trillions of dollars to help them become richer...

Prove it.

Exactly what you wrote.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Note the leftism at the core of this sentiment though.

I get that but the profoundly confused thinking behind the sentiment is what gives me cause to pause. Climate change was invented... 

53 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Prove it's not. Exactly what he wrote.

Evidence is the responsibility of the positive claimant.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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25 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

Evidence is the responsibility of the positive claimant.

 

Well either you are claiming he's wrong in which case it's on you or you're claiming he's not wrong in which case what's the issue he doesn't have to prove anything.

So are you claiming he's right? And if not where's your proof?

 

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12 hours ago, blackbird said:

Why don't they restrict supply in Washington State then and other states and provinces?  Why does B.C. have the highest gas prices in north America?  Greater Vancouver, BC also has the highest real estate prices in north America.  

Your claim about restricting supply doesn't sound credible.  I have heard a lot on the news about gas prices but never heard that the supply was deliberately being restricted in B.C. to raise prices.

Why is gas about 19% less expensive in Washington State than in Vancouver, B.C.?

The overnight price increase on gas may have nothing to do with taxes, but that doesn't change the fact that about one-third of gas prices in B.C. are taxes.

The cost of real estate and everything is outrageous in Canada because of our federal government and provincial government's spending and policies.  We need to face the truth or stick our heads in the sand.

Restricting supply keeps prices up everywhere, including the US. You are not wrong when you say taxes are the biggest reason BC prices are higher than elsewhere.

The BC carbon tax went from being revenue neutral to just another wealth redistribution tax. Rebates depend on your income and only 65% of residents qualify for any rebate. If they were really serious about combating climate change, they would be using that money for infrastructure that would reduce emissions and combat the consequences of climate change, like improving flood control and and making our forests less vulnerable to fires.

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19 hours ago, eyeball said:

Prove it.

Exactly what you wrote.

First take your head out of the sand, and look at who is profiting by all these green initiatives...just follow the money...and while they get richer ask your self what is being done for climate change, here in Canada we have yet to reach any goal we agreed to...not one goal....but there is billions of dollars being thrown around it is going somewhere... 

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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19 hours ago, blackbird said:

Why don't they restrict supply in Washington State then and other states and provinces?  Why does B.C. have the highest gas prices in north America?  Greater Vancouver, BC also has the highest real estate prices in north America. 

Have you ever been there or looked at a map?
A:: Because it includes the Lower Mainland where there's 20¢ transit tax and most of the gas comes from refineries in Washington state. But gas still went up here where it comes from Edmonton and there is no transit tax. Sheer corporate rip off by the most vertically integrated example of capitalism where a few companies control from exploration to the retail end. Not that you want to believe it.
Highest housing costs is even more obvious. Nowhere to build but UP. So a 33ft lot is worth far more than a km2 in the rest of BC

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17 minutes ago, herbie said:

Highest housing costs is even more obvious.

So how do you explain the high cost of real estate in other cities across Canada?  Government red tape and regulations at all levels plus taxes, high immigration, and allowing foreigners to buy up the real estate in Vancouver (Chinese) who live in China.

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1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

First take your head out of the sand, and look at who is profiting by all these green initiatives...just follow the money...

...just follow the money... You sound like Goddess.

So did you follow it forensically by any chance? What sort of accounting methodology did you use and who did it lead to?

Do you have their names, a trail of communications emails, meeting minutes by the inventors to corroborate your claim of invention?

How much data did you collect/generate and who reviewed it?

When will charges and convictions be forthcoming and will you be in line for a reward?

Or did you just say it was invented for effect?

 

 

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15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So did you follow it forensically by any chance? What sort of accounting methodology did you use and who did it lead to?

This is like your favourite type of argument right now.  You use it for anything covid related, too.

But it's very disingenuous.

What sort of methodology did YOU use to determine giving billions of $$ to rich people is the way to solve climate change?

What sort of methodology did YOU use to determine there is no such thing as natural immunity?

Don't try using this lame excuse to shame people who are critical thinkers and ask questions.

YOU might be too stupid to think for yourself, but lots of us aren't.  And asking questions about things that affect our lives and pocketbooks is not wrong.

 

"There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe."

~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~

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1 hour ago, eyeball said:

...just follow the money... You sound like Goddess.

So did you follow it forensically by any chance? What sort of accounting methodology did you use and who did it lead to?

Do you have their names, a trail of communications emails, meeting minutes by the inventors to corroborate your claim of invention?

How much data did you collect/generate and who reviewed it?

When will charges and convictions be forthcoming and will you be in line for a reward?

Or did you just say it was invented for effect?

 

 

 

Are you suggesting that the government takes that 200 billion they spent and bury's it in the desert some place for next conspiracy, or has someone profited by this whole climate change thing, that no one can seem to prove exists...Have you not been watching the liberals green initiative slush fund committee, and see who is profiting off of it....it is liberals cronies...and that is just the tip of the iceberg....Your the one that wants cameras on government lobby group meeting do you not think that the same is not going on right here with climate change only on a much larger scale....

PSSSTTT got this plan to make money....it's called climate change we'll scare them into thinking they will burn and they'll be really eager to hand over money by the bag full....and the best part is nobody can prove it does not exist...it's full proof...

If it had any truth to it why are governments not making this the number one priority, why just spend a fraction of our GDP...it is a crisis is it not, we are going to burn in our beds right...so why not the entire GDP or something close.......why is this not a global crises where trillions are being spent, bunkers built in the desert, it seems the government is just playing along to keep up appearances...they announced it was a crises, and have yet to make any of their set goals...if it was life or death would we not being put in some more effort...

 

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