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4 hours ago, Goddess said:

What sort of methodology did YOU use to determine giving billions of $$ to rich people is the way to solve climate change?

I've done no such thing, nobody else has either. WTF are you babbling about? 

4 hours ago, Goddess said:

Don't try using this lame excuse to shame people who are critical thinkers and ask questions.

I'm not, I'm using it as a valid reason to ridicule the utter nonsense your critical thinking produces.

A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I'm not, I'm using it as a valid reason to ridicule the utter nonsense your critical thinking produces

No. You use it to attempt to shame anyone who questions authorities because you don't believe they should be questioned.

It's why you blindly accept ridiculous and unscientific statements like "There's no such thing as natural immunity" and "Ivermectin is horsepaste" and then repeat those lies for years without ever checking if it's true.

"There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe."

~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~

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4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

PSSSTTT got this plan to make money....it's called climate change we'll scare them into thinking they will burn and they'll be really eager to hand over money by the bag full....and the best part is nobody can prove it does not exist...it's full proof...

I can't believe, with all the scientific evidence, forest fires, etc. some people are still in denial. Then again, it parallels human history, as people tend to ignore factual evidence, if it suits their agenda.  Keep on watching those YouTube videos.

Climate change was pretty much a foregone conclusion by the end of the 90s. Social media has made simpletons question science. 

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

If it had any truth to it why are governments not making this the number one priority

One word: Money.

Do you think places like Alberta are ready to accept the oil and gas exploration is causing a huge detrimental effect on the Earth, when so many are getting rich doing so?

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

 

\, why just spend a fraction of our GDP...it is a crisis is it not, we are going to burn in our beds right...so why not the entire GDP or something close.......why is this not a global crises where trillions are being spent, bunkers built in the desert, it seems the government is just playing along to keep up appearances...they announced it was a crises, and have yet to make any of their set goals...if it was life or death would we not being put in some more effort...

Because throughout history, people have the habit of waiting until it's too late, or we risk losing our quality of life.

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4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

PSSSTTT got this plan to make money....it's called climate change we'll scare them into thinking they will burn and they'll be really eager to hand over money by the bag full....and the best part is nobody can prove it does not exist...it's full proof...

Who said this? When, where, how and to whom? How did you find out?

Are we talking thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of inventors or is this like the COVID scamdemic where just a handful of psyop dudes pulled it off?

Were rich people involved or are you suggesting the inventors invited them in later?

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

If it had any truth to it why are governments not making this the number one priority,

That's easy, it's because people like you don't make transparency the number one priority.

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A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.

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21 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You use it to attempt to shame anyone who questions authorities because you don't believe they should be questioned.

I use it to underscore how unbelievable their answers are 

Like Fauci = Mengele....he killed millions to swindle billions.

LMAO!

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5 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I can't believe, with all the scientific evidence, forest fires, etc. some people are still in denial.

This from the loser who took 3 pages to finally realize the forests around jasper are the responsibility of the feds.  If you couldn't even get that simple fact straight, why on earth would anyone believe you when you talk of 'scientific evidence'. 

It's become almost a running gag around here. People ask those !diots who talk like you to present this scientific evidence that shows that the climate change is a crisis or that anything canada will do will affect it. And despite dozens of requests by numerous people so far not a single one of the climate religious have put forward a single actual study.

I don't think anyone here doubts the climates change. It has since the beginning of the earth and will continue to do so long after humanity is gone I'm sure. The issue is is there anything that we as Canadians can do about it and is it an actual crisis?

The short answer is no, there is nothing we can do about it. Even if Canada stopped polluting tomorrow entirely without a single drop of carbon output the increase that china is currently going through would replace our current level of pollution within a year and a half. The only thing we could possibly do as a country is invent technology that was so successful that it was adapted worldwide and allowed all countries to significantly reduce their carbon output. And we're currently not doing that.

The answer to the second part is that it's not a crisis. So far, nobody has been able to make a convincing argument that it is.

So the answer to climate change is adaptation. If there's a greater risk of forest fires you manage the forest better. You don't spend a quarter million dollars on airplane food and ignore the beetle kill in the national parks.  You make the changes necessary to cope with the changes. 

Instead we went with 'carbon taxes' and we've still got forest fires and climate change 

So it's impossible to take fools such as yourself seriously when you claim YOU think it's an urgent issue. If you did, you'd have been demanding they scrap the tax and take REAL action.  But you didn't and they didn't, and now we're kind of done with it. 

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10 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I can't believe, with all the scientific evidence, forest fires, etc. some people are still in denial. Then again, it parallels human history, as people tend to ignore factual evidence, if it suits their agenda.  Keep on watching those YouTube videos.

I believe climate changes.  It always has right through history.  The problem is man-made climate change is a fraud.  It has never been proven.  But it is a convenient propaganda tool to con and scare the masses into paying.

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14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I can't believe, with all the scientific evidence, forest fires, etc. some people are still in denial. Then again, it parallels human history, as people tend to ignore factual evidence, if it suits their agenda.  Keep on watching those YouTube videos.

Climate change was pretty much a foregone conclusion by the end of the 90s. Social media has made simpletons question science. 

One word: Money.

Do you think places like Alberta are ready to accept the oil and gas exploration is causing a huge detrimental effect on the Earth, when so many are getting rich doing so?

Because throughout history, people have the habit of waiting until it's too late, or we risk losing our quality of life.

So did man discover fire or did fire discover man? A question from your local forest.

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14 hours ago, DUI_Offender said:

I can't believe, with all the scientific evidence, forest fires, etc. some people are still in denial. Then again, it parallels human history, as people tend to ignore factual evidence, if it suits their agenda.  Keep on watching those YouTube videos.

Climate change was pretty much a foregone conclusion by the end of the 90s. Social media has made simpletons question science. 

One word: Money.

Do you think places like Alberta are ready to accept the oil and gas exploration is causing a huge detrimental effect on the Earth, when so many are getting rich doing so?

Because throughout history, people have the habit of waiting until it's too late, or we risk losing our quality of life.

Break it down for me DUI, first science says that it can not prove Climate change is real....now you say there is scientific evidence that out destroying the planet is having an effect on our "climate"....which one is it...Forrest fires are not a sign of climate change, we have ALWAYS had forest fires since we have kept records...in fact during the worst fire season on record it was proven 80% of those were started by humans, the rest by mother nature...

Since the 90's, and knowing this we did what exactly, not much of a crises back then was it, not until someone figured out they could become rich off it...now people on the left are saying that the end of days is upon us...

The only thing holding us back is money, Really our country spends a small fraction of what it could on a crises you people say will end life on earth...thats not a red flag is it, we love money more than life...looks like the government , let's add in the entire global government are not taking this crises very seriously, and if That is the case, why should we give a rats a$$...

Once again the global governments is doing a smashing job in communicating this supposed crises to the people, and if they are not willing to stop this or delay it, WTF are ordinary people with limited resources going to do...have any of these climate groups protested the government into doing more....not really , maybe they need those that organized the truckers convoy to show how to do it...NOBODY is taking this so called crises very seriously...everyone still drives a car or truck, our industry rely of trucks, planes , trains, all burning fossil fuels...stop kidding yourselves....Your preaching to the wrong crowd...you should be protesting the government...nobody here has the power to fix this...

 

 

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Break it down for me DUI, first science says that it can not prove Climate change is real....

The YouTube videos that you watch, and media like Rebel News say climate change is not real.

NASA is a highly respected organisation.  This is what they say about climate change:

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

 

You can believe what you want. However, you would be incorrect.

 

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14 hours ago, eyeball said:

Who said this? When, where, how and to whom? How did you find out?

Are we talking thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions of inventors or is this like the COVID scamdemic where just a handful of psyop dudes pulled it off?

Were rich people involved or are you suggesting the inventors invited them in later?

That's easy, it's because people like you don't make transparency the number one priority.

Ya it's all my fault...i invented climate change, thats why scientist can't prove it actually exists....and the only thing your people are doing anything about it, is to attack those online...Thats fine i sleep very well at night knowing that at least i did my part....mean while our government and people like you do the bare minimum just enough to say look at me mom, ain't i great...We can't not even have consensus here in Canada about climate change, let alone the entire globe....keep running around with your hair on fire screaming we are all going to die...me i'm going to watch from the side lines and laugh....

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

 

So it's impossible to take fools such as yourself seriously when you claim YOU think it's an urgent issue. If you did, you'd have been demanding they scrap the tax and take REAL action.  But you didn't and they didn't, and now we're kind of done with it. 

You are in denial. Climate change is accelorating and Canadians have already seen the results. The global population will have to reduce omissions before it is too late.  

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5 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

The YouTube videos that you watch, and media like Rebel News say climate change is not real.

NASA is a highly respected organisation.  This is what they say about climate change:

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

 

You can believe what you want. However, you would be incorrect.

 

Sorry don't spend much time on U tube, nor do i watch any rebel news content....

Yes they are a highly respect organization...SO what now DUI do i run around in tight circles and scream...do i grab a picket sign....what is it that you are doing about climate change ? and what about all the other climate change believers on this board... have they done anything , anything at all....or they are aware and just called it a day...f*ck it... 

We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.

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16 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

NASA is a highly respected organisation.

Remember the Challenger space ship that blew up in 1986 and incinerated the seven astronauts.  NASA is not infallible.

"In the last two decades, glorious scientific and technical achievements have altered our lives forever. Try, for example, to imagine the world without the existence of those two little words personal and computer. But there have also been — how can this be put delicately?— blunders.

Some were errors in concept: Bad science chasing a bad idea. Some were errors in execution: This would have worked so well if only it hadn't blown up. Others were cases of deliberate fraud, out-and-out hoaxes, or just dopey moments that made us laugh. Perhaps Albert Einstein said it best: "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe." 

Challenger

Surreal in its beauty, a plume of white smoke ushered in the end of America's romance with space travel after the shuttle Challenger blew up 73 seconds into its scheduled six-day flight on January 28, 1986, at 11:39:13 a.m.

The rocket was traveling at Mach 1.92 at an altitude of 46,000 feet as it incinerated all seven astronauts aboard. According to the presidential commission that investigated the accident, the explosion was caused by the failure of an O-ring seal in the joint between the two lower segments of the right-hand solid-rocket booster.

This failure permitted a jet of white-hot gases to ignite the liquid fuel of the external tank. The O-ring was known to fail in cold temperatures, but the launch had been delayed five times."

The misleading evidence that fooled scientists for decades (theconversation.com)

20 of the Greatest Blunders in Science in the Last 20 Years | Discover Magazine

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11 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

You are in denial. Climate change is accelorating and Canadians have already seen the results. The global population will have to reduce omissions before it is too late.  

That may be but if that's the case you should have some significant research documents to prove it.  As i said - every single time someone like you says what you've just said people around here say "fine - show me."  and then silence. 

And we don't control the global population. We control a teeny tiny slice of the population. So what do you suggest? bombing china?

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6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

That may be but if that's the case you should have some significant research documents to prove it.  As i said - every single time someone like you says what you've just said people around here say "fine - show me."  and then silence. 

Incorrect.

I just provided a link to NASA less than 30 minutes ago, and the website goes into great detail about climate change caused by people. You just choose to ignore the posts. 

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4 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Incorrect.

100 percent correct.  So it would seem you're the one who's in denial. 

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I just provided a link to NASA less than 30 minutes ago, and the website goes into great detail about climate change caused by people. You just choose to ignore the posts. 

Ok well maybe i misread it  -  show me where it says canada can do something about it or that anything we do will have an impact?  Remember that's what i asked for.
 

No? Nothing? So you are either lying or to stupid to understand what is being said. How shocking. 

What about the other thing - that it's a crisis? 

Nope? Nothing really spelling that out is there. 

 

All it says is that the planet's climate is changing.  I literally said everyone here accepts the climate is changing.  I asked for evidence that it's a crisis,  and that canada could do something that would have a major impact and you provided nothing,

 

Well.  Hardly surprising from a guy who can't shut up about how he shits in people's mouths and posts a link that proves he was 100 percent wrong.  And you expect people to take you seriously. Tard. 

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15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As i said - every single time someone like you says what you've just said people around here say "fine - show me."  and then silence. 

False.  Every governmental and scientific body states climate change is real and reducing emissions is the only solution. You’ve been shown repeatedly for decades now and all you do is scream conspiracy because don’t want to accept reality. 

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2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

that canada could do something that would have a major impact and you provided nothing,

So unless you see evidence that Canada alone can save the entire world from climate change, you’ll believe that we should just pollute as much as we want?  The entire world needs to reduce emissions. Canada needs to do its part. 

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Just now, BeaverFever said:

False.  

Sorry it's true - as evidenced by the fact you once again provided NOTHING'!!!!

Think about what you just did there. 

"The climate proponents never provide actual studies or science" 

"YES WE DOOOO'

"oh ok - where is it?'

UHHHHH... (derp!)

 

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Every governmental and scientific body states climate change is real and reducing emissions is the only solution.

According to your facebook university education and research. 

I haven't been able to find much that actually shows it's numbers and specifics.  You'll see stuff like "climate change happening 10,000 times faster than in the last 10,000 years!!! "  Ok... so? And? What does that mean?  and usually nothing, or a range of possibilities that go from nothing to 'big giant ball of fire' or anywhere in between, which tells me it's not science.

But if what you've said is true, it should be pretty easy then to find clear gov't research with proper documentation spelling out exactly what this means for canada in precise terms and what the specific impact will be within a specific timeline.  Not just 'coastal waters will rise' -  that's nice but people have legs and they can always step back further faster than water's rise. 

 

So present it.  Lets see what canada actually looks like if we achieve our paris goals vs if we don't.  If you think there will be any difference at all. 

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4 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

So unless you see evidence that Canada alone can save the entire world from climate change, you’ll believe that we should just pollute as much as we want?  The entire world needs to reduce emissions. Canada needs to do its part. 

LOL - just for fun i did a couple of quick searches for canada and climate change just in case there really was some new stuff, i wanted to read it before you posted it.  This is what came up :P 

Will Canada benefit from climate change? - Canadian Climate Institute

Joe Oliver: Here’s a truth few dare to utter: Canada will benefit from climate change | Financial Post

So the first things that popped up were talking about how much better off we'll be :)  LOLOLOL!!

Maybe you have something different, but you sure haven't posted it yet :P 

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7 minutes ago, DUI_Offender said:

Speaking of which...

I am going to take another dump in your mouth. It will shut you up for the time being.

Here's the guy who wants to tell others they're not taking climate seriously enough and wants us to 'trust' him on the science :)  LOL

Axe the tax, throw climate change in the garbage, deal with the changes as they happen - clearly the leftie losers who pretend it matters don't actually believe it either.   

 

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15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry it's true - as evidenced by the fact you once again provided NOTHING'!!!!

Think about what you just did there. 

"The climate proponents never provide actual studies or science" 

"YES WE DOOOO'

"oh ok - where is it?'

UHHHHH... (derp!)

You were already provided a link to NADA which you conveniently continue to ignore.  You must seriously live under a rock if it’s news to you that every government and scientific organization believes climate change is real. How many links do you need?

 

United Nations

https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/science/mythbusters?gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD9kiAdI9naItlbPyCMGlBRJulPtx&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5ci3psvZhwMVBDMIBR2XRwYEEAAYAiAAEgJY3PD_BwE

 

US government 

https://www.epa.gov/climatechange-science/causes-climate-change

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/scientific-consensus/
 

 

Scientific Community and media :

‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2021/oct/19/case-closed-999-of-scientists-agree-climate-emergency-caused-by-humans


 

The Scientific Consensus on Climate Change

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1103618

 

Scientific consensus on climate change

There is a nearly unanimous scientific consensus that the Earth has been consistently warming since the start of the Industrial Revolution, that the rate of recent warming is largely unprecedented,[1]: 8 [2]: 11  and that this warming is mainly the result of a rapid increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2)caused by human activities. The human activities causing this warming include fossil fuel combustion, cement production, and land use changes such as deforestation,[3]: 10–11  with a significant supporting role from the other greenhouse gases such as methane and nitrous oxide.[1]: 7  This human role in climate change is considered "unequivocal" and "incontrovertible".[1]: 4 [2]: 4 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_consensus_on_climate_change

 

 ChatGPT - ”Is there scientific consensus that climate change is an emergency caused by human activity ?”

Yes, there is a strong scientific consensus that climate change is an urgent issue and is largely driven by human activities. This consensus is supported by numerous scientific organizations and studies worldwide. Key points include:

1. **Human Activities as a Primary Driver**: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) states that it is "extremely likely" (95-100% probability) that more than half of the observed increase in global average surface temperature from 1951 to 2010 was caused by human activities, primarily the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.

2. **Scientific Consensus**: Multiple studies have shown that over 97% of climate scientists agree that climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. Major scientific organizations, including the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the American Geophysical Union (AGU), and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), endorse this view.

3. **Impacts of Climate Change**: The impacts of climate change, such as rising sea levels, increased frequency and severity of extreme weather events, shifting wildlife populations and habitats, and effects on human health, are well-documented. These changes pose significant risks to natural and human systems.

4. **Urgency and Action**: The scientific community emphasizes the urgency of addressing climate change. The IPCC's reports stress the need for rapid and significant reductions in greenhouse gas emissions to limit global warming to 1.5°C above pre-industrial levels, which is crucial to avoid the worst impacts of climate change.

The overwhelming consensus is based on extensive research and evidence gathered over decades. Addressing climate change is seen as critical to ensuring a sustainable and stable environment for future generations.

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Honestly a person could keep this up all day every day its the published official position of virtually every government and recognized scientific body and has been for years if not decades.   Now we all know your next moves:  you’ll scream “globalist deep state conspiracy” so you can dismiss everything above without evidence then you’ll lobotomize yourself so you can forget reading it at all and go back to your lie that nobody has ever provided you any evidence. 

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