How do we keep Social Conservatism (Fascism) out of Canada?

[blackbird]

The real question is how do we keep Communists and Socialists out of Canada or prevent more from coming in?  Problem is they are already here.

How do we convince them their ideology is destructive to Canada.  Socialism is why Canada is tens of billions of dollars in debt and there is a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food price crisis.

Edited July 5, 2024 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, blackbird said:

1. The real question is how do we keep Communist and Socialists our of Canada or prevent more from coming in?

2. How do we convince them their ideology is destructive to Canada. 

3. Socialism is why Canada is tens of billions of dollars in debt and there is a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food price crisis.

1. There's maybe one Communist country left, North Korea, and they don't let people come here.  If they did i guarantee you they would not be looking to return to Communism.
2. This is not a concern.
3. You're incorrect.  Capitalist countries such as Canada are all having these problems anyway.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The real question is how do we keep Communists and Socialists our of Canada or prevent more from coming in?  Problem is they are already here.

How do we convince them their ideology is destructive to Canada.  Socialism is why Canada is tens of billions of dollars in debt and there is a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food price crisis.

but the Communism is emanating from Canada

it is the native born Canadians who are propagating the Marxist Leninist ideology

through the Academy, public schools & universities

the immigrants who come to Canada now are in fact shocked to discover that Canada is ruled by Bolsheviks

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

You don't think justin and his policies have anything to do with that, people flocking to PP want change

Wrong, wanting change is the best reason to support the Tories, Sure isn't for their non-existent economic, housing, climate, or health care policy alternatives.
Or the bozos that just hate Trudeau and can't tell you rationally or specifically why.

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

but the Nazarene was not a social conservative

He invoked a radical overthrow of the socially conservative order

Christianity is the ultimate revolution

Yes and no.  It’s the refinement and improvement of Old Testament teachings.  It’s revolutionary against the excesses of state authority and it’s the elevation of the spiritual order. It affirms the highest moral authority, which transcends both state and the letter of the law. The Spirit over the letter. The Saviour over the condemnation of the Pharisees.  Nevertheless, we still pay the tax collector, rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.

I do not render unto Caesar

as we Protestant Orangemen overthrew that tyranny on 1 July 1690

to found the modern British liberal state

wherein Caesar renders unto us

lest he be unhorsed & unheaded as necessary

Glorious Revolution

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. There's maybe one Communist country left, North Korea, and they don't let people come here.  If they did i guarantee you they would not be looking to return to Communism.
2. This is not a concern.
3. You're incorrect.  Capitalist countries such as Canada are all having these problems anyway.

Oh look, the "conservative" doesn't think we should be worrying or talking about it,  imagine, 

In fact he said socialism and communism. And there are many socialist countries out there. 

And in most cases it's a disaster immediately or a slower disaster over time. 

Socialism is a nice enough theory but it is a disaster when it's applied and usually to the degree which it's applied. It would be wise indeed to keep it out of canada more than we do now. 

[Dougie93]

24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Old Testament teachings. 

that is Judaism

Christians are not bound by those texts

the Nazarene is the revolution against the Old Testament

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I do not render unto Caesar

as we Protestant Orangemen overthrew that tyranny on 1 July 1690

to found the modern British liberal state

wherein Caesar renders unto us

lest he be unhorsed & unheaded as necessary

Glorious Revolution

Yes Protestants overthrew one form of authority, but we always have to contend with secular laws and authority.  I don’t know how this gets resolved either.  We talk about separation of church and state, yet we vote and act with conscience.  I would say that any state that demands you violate your conscience and beliefs in order to live and have the same rights as other citizens is a bridge too far. Trudeau did that when he required all student applicants to federal jobs to be pro choice and he required the same of all Liberal Party members.  That’s when I knew he was a terrible undemocratic PM, and that’s before the attempted tyranny during the pandemic.  Well he really continues to run a woke tyranny. Hopefully people are realizing they don’t have to accept it.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/03/justin-trudeaus-woke-canada-serves-as-a-chilling-warning-of/

Edited July 5, 2024 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

54 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 which transcends both state and the letter of the law.

with one caveat

the Nazarene will not use force

the road to Calvary ends at Golgotha

where we are all crucified in the end

for some future generation we will never meet

the power & the glory of Christ

[Dougie93]

34 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes Protestants overthrew one form of authority, but we always have to contend with secular laws and authority.  I don’t know how this gets resolved either.  We talk about separation of church and state, yet we vote and act with conscience.  I would say that any state that demands you violate your conscience and beliefs in order to live and have the same rights as other citizens is a bridge too far. Trudeau did that when he required all student applicants to federal jobs to be pro choice and he required the same of all Liberal Party members.  That’s when I knew he was a terrible undemocratic PM, and that’s before the attempted tyranny during the pandemic. 

it's like Roman Judea in 33 AD

what a blessing it is to walk with the Nazarene through a pagan wilderness of thorns in Biblical times

rejoice in the face of every tribulation on the road to Calvary

souls are forged by crucible therein, this is why we are here

love thine enemies, with no fears on earth : sic itur ad astra, excelsior

[Army Guy]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Wrong, wanting change is the best reason to support the Tories, Sure isn't for their non-existent economic, housing, climate, or health care policy alternatives.
Or the bozos that just hate Trudeau and can't tell you rationally or specifically why.

Your really hanging on until the end aren't you...I think the polls tells us everything we need to know, but hey there is also judged by his performance and getting things done in this nation..lets not even go to all the scandals him and most of his cabinet has made...So i can think of atleast 2 dozens major reasons to not to vote Liberal...and wanting change for the sake of change is not one of them...

according to the polls Canada is full of bozos depending on the side you vote for...like at least 27 % of Canadians are still supporting the liberals...Conservatives at 41 %....

[PIK]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Wrong, wanting change is the best reason to support the Tories, Sure isn't for their non-existent economic, housing, climate, or health care policy alternatives.
Or the bozos that just hate Trudeau and can't tell you rationally or specifically why.

When the election is called, you find out PPs policies.

[Nefarious Banana]

5 hours ago, herbie said:

Wrong, wanting change is the best reason to support the Tories, Sure isn't for their non-existent economic, housing, climate, or health care policy alternatives.
Or the bozos that just hate Trudeau and can't tell you rationally or specifically why.

What Trudeau policy(s) have made your life better, have promoted unity, or been a benefit to Canada and Canadians?

[herbie]

5 minutes ago, PIK said:

When the election is called, you find out PPs policies.

No you won't. He'd scare off too many reluctant supporters at the worst time possible if he did.

You say exactly what all the Tories I know have said for years.  Yawn 🥱

[jatt47]

7 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What Trudeau policy(s) have made your life better, have promoted unity, or been a benefit to Canada and Canadians?

Honestly, I just want the Army to stop hating Sikhs. 

I don't know whether he made that worse or better - not old enough. 

 

Beyond that I think every post Cold War PM has sorta sucked. 

I honestly think the whole project to cancel Anglo Canada & create some multicultural mess was/is a farce. 

[PIK]

6 minutes ago, herbie said:

No you won't. He'd scare off too many reluctant supporters at the worst time possible if he did.

You say exactly what all the Tories I know have said for years.  Yawn 🥱

Nobody comes out early with their main ideas. But I will say he will ax the tax. Cut the corruption.  He will not be living like a king. He will not be spending $220,000 on plane food or $6000/ per night hotel rooms. With a butler. Lol The price for feeding and housing Trudeau these past 9 yrs is going to be ugly. The worst is yet to come on what he has been up to. 

[herbie]

6 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

What Trudeau policy(s) have made your life better, have promoted unity, or been a benefit to Canada and Canadians?

He pissed off people like you who think asking about something else is answering. Does your wife say "fine" or "whatever" and walk out the room often? Figured out why?

But here ya go: Dental care, Pharmacare, Quebec's not threatening to leave, CPP and OAS are up a little, the kids can afford daycare so she's at work and not mooching, my home is worth more than it was, there's Haloumi and lamb in the stores, people selling pakoras, Mexican and Filipino food from their homes, 3 food trucks that never came here before.
I can buy gummies for my back pain and not worry about the grandkids being labelled criminals if they indulge.
I didn't get Covid, didn't go bankrupt when the wife sickened and died, there's fewer beggars downtown, the Band got grants and reopened the hatchery.
if I buy a new car I can get a rebate if it's electrified.
There's a new hospital here this fall and several doctors instead of just one.
I have an MP intelligent enough to understand that if the Court says you can't do that you find another way instead of whining and threatening to use notwithstanding as if it was a card to be played whenever, an MP that knows that if something has failed for 100 years you do something different instead of doing it again harder.
They always docked income tax off my cheque, so I told them to dock 20% off my pension and I live well on the rest and get a huge refund every spring. Taxes didn't go up. Being from BC and paying carbon tax for 15 years means I think carrying on like 3c is gonna kill you is petty so if you work you're so cheap you squeak when you walk.
I gave up all my guns years ago when I moved to town, so I don't have a shred of sympathy for anyone whining that they need an AK47, a safety course and a police check to hunt deer.
And I won't carry on much how my indigenous friends and neighbours feel like they're finally part of things.

Shall I go on? Like obviously every thing that benefits me caused you irreparable harm and you hate it, right?

[eyeball]

On 6/19/2024 at 8:32 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I hope for a major return to Christian social conservatism. Canada has become morally repugnant.  

Move to the US, you'll practically be in heaven.

Pat Robertson says heaven is just like Sunday school except it goes on forever....a trillion years from now you'd still just be getting started.

I'm quite certain Hell will be a far far more interesting place. It would be nice to jam with Zappa sometime.

[herbie]

30 minutes ago, PIK said:

Nobody comes out early with their main ideas

Nobody runs 3 elections with 3 leaders and STILL can't even hint at an alternative climate plan.... then again some of their supporters can't go on vacation because gas went up 3c and the lake dried up and the campground burned down.

[eyeball]

12 hours ago, jatt47 said:

Humiliating defeats of the GWOT + the coming depression?

Might be enough.

Don't forget there's also a potential technological singularity approaching and we can't rule out the possibility we'll get there too but probably not first.

Now when I say we I do hope I mean me as well. I've noticed however that as I get older the big futurist ideas about things like extended longevity are always due about 20 years or so from now which at this stage is probably pushing the envelope on my reasonable lifespan expectations.

And yet...half my grandparents lived into their 90's and Nana made  it to 99 - I'm almost 3 years cancer free now and the alien in my chest doesn't seem to be in any hurry to burst forth...I'm feeling pretty optimistic myself!

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, jatt47 said:

Honestly, I just want the Army to stop hating Sikhs. 

I don't know whether he made that worse or better - not old enough. 

 

Beyond that I think every post Cold War PM has sorta sucked. 

I honestly think the whole project to cancel Anglo Canada & create some multicultural mess was/is a farce. 

Army does not hate Sikhs, just white men, if your from a racial background your already have several advantages...now if you were a women Sikh/ black/ indigenous at the same time, that plays broomball, and curling and a lesbian with a disability,one eye, that can shit over a 6 ft fence on a windy day, you'd already be in boot camp...

   

[jatt47]

18 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Army does not hate Sikhs, just white men, if your from a racial background your already have several ...

   

I get what you mean institutionally, but clubbing Sikhs in with the incompetents just divides them from white men.. 

If we sat down over a beer I think you'd get it. 

I don't want a hand up I know with the Guru's blessing I'm good at war. 

advantages...now if you were a women Sikh/ black/ indigenous at the same time, that plays broomball, and curling and a lesbian with a disability,one eye, that can shit over a 6 ft fence on a windy day, you'd already be in boot camp

 

How about someone of Indo European ancestry who hears the name of God on a machine gun burst 

 

ਅਕਾਲ 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

No you won't. He'd scare off too many reluctant supporters at the worst time possible if he did.

You say exactly what all the Tories I know have said for years.  Yawn 🥱

Honestly, we can all hear the desperation from here.

[herbie]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

The real question is how do we keep Communists and Socialists out of Canada or prevent more from coming in?  Problem is they are already here.

How do we convince them their ideology is destructive to Canada.  Socialism is why Canada is tens of billions of dollars in debt and there is a cost of living crisis, housing crisis, and food price crisis.

Hos may times do you need to be reminded it's not 1953 any more? Denmark and Norway are socialism, Communism died over 30 years ago. You and the MAGA m0r0ns can wake up and smell the coffee any day now.