Government won't commit to releasing names of MPs who allegedly conspired with foreign actors

[CdnFox]

Government won't commit to releasing names of MPs who allegedly conspired with foreign actors | CBC News

Senior cabinet ministers wouldn't say Tuesday if the government is prepared to release the names of parliamentarians who are alleged to have conspired with foreign governments and to have consciously shared sensitive information with their agents — conduct that one expert says could amount to treason.

There may still be police investigations into these allegations, the ministers said, and details could eventually be released as part of that process.

But that raises the question of whether the voting public will know who's alleged to have engaged in such conduct before the next federal election, which is expected sometime in 2025.

 

 

So, they know that there are some liberal MPS who colluded with the Chinese. And they refuse to tell the public who these people are and may even allow them to stand for re-election next time without advising the public that they have passed on sensitive information or worked with a foreign nation against the interests of Canada.

And this is what the liberals and NDP stand for. They will happily sell out their country if it means A little bit of political power and the ability to line their own pockets.

[Moonlight Graham]

Name all the MP's immediately, boot them from Parliament, and charge them for their crimes.  I hope they get the most serious sentences possible under the law to make an example of them.

Steven Chase is Senior Parliamentary reporter for Globe & Mail:

 

Edited June 4, 2024 by Moonlight Graham

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Name all the MP's immediately, boot them from Parliament, and charge them for their crimes.  I hope they get the most serious sentences possible under the law to make an example of them.

Steven Chase is Senior Parliamentary reporter for Globe & Mail:

 

You would certainly hope. However it looks like Justin will be sweeping this one under the table again as well with jagmeet's help. It's hard to imagine but it seems like our prime minister is actively ignoring the substantial Chinese attempts to interfere with our elections and is still sheltering those liberals involved.

Remember when the entire left wing of a nation went absolutely nuts over Russian collusion? I wonder why our left in Canada is taking this so Acceptingly?

[eyeball]

16 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

boot them from Parliament, and charge them for their crimes.

Wouldn't we need some sort of federal Accountability Act that allows us to do that?

[blackbird]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Wouldn't we need some sort of federal Accountability Act that allows us to do that?

"Overall, Section 46(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada is a crucial instrument in the protection of Canada's sovereignty and the promotion of democracy. It explicitly lays out the different actions that constitute as treason, making it clear to Canadians what is unacceptable and illegal. The law is necessary to safeguard against any internal or external threats that may undermine the government's ability to protect its citizens and the country. It is the responsibility of every Canadian to uphold and respect Canada's laws and values, including Section 46(2) of the Criminal Code of Canada."

Criminal Code of Canada - section 46(2) - Treason (criminal-code.ca)

[CdnFox]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Wouldn't we need some sort of federal Accountability Act that allows us to do that?

Nope. IF there's evidence that they illegally provided information they can be charged already,  and the voters can choose to boot them out of parliament if they wish. 

Just stop voting for these guys or the ndp who props them up. Simple. 

[I am Groot]

The Trudeau government, opaque and closed by default.

[Army Guy]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Nope. IF there's evidence that they illegally provided information they can be charged already,  and the voters can choose to boot them out of parliament if they wish. 

Just stop voting for these guys or the ndp who props them up. Simple. 

The media has been talking about treason charges...we can't even charge Omar with treason and that was black and white...as that law is broken, to vague to make stick...My money is no one will be named, no charges laid, no action taken against them...

when was the last time a politician was charged and convicted of anything....now i know of plenty of army guys lost their careers over breaking the government procurement rules...in the last 2 years there have been atleast 1/2 dozen MP's that broke procurement rules in a major way and nothing happened to them...rules do not apply to politicians...

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

The media has been talking about treason charges...we can't even charge Omar with treason and that was black and white...as that law is broken, to vague to make stick...My money is no one will be named, no charges laid, no action taken against them...

when was the last time a politician was charged and convicted of anything....now i know of plenty of army guys lost their careers over breaking the government procurement rules...in the last 2 years there have been atleast 1/2 dozen MP's that broke procurement rules in a major way and nothing happened to them...rules do not apply to politicians...

Sex scandals are about the only thing our people get charged with and it's rare. The problems are politicians of course is that parliamentary privilege basically means that they don't have to give up any evidence. That makes pursuing any crime extremely difficult. If you can't question the person, can't subpoena the records or information, can't even talk to their associates that they work with proving they committed a crime is brutally hard. 

There are a lot of x politicians who have been convicted of crimes. Call them Thatcher comes to mind, he stepped down from office and 4 days later killed his wife and was convicted. But I kind of think you mean while they were in office and that is pretty rare.

I do honestly believe that we should have a recall system. Something similar to BC, hard to pull off but possible. It's just enough that the threat of it keeps the MPS a little more honest and they don't assume that they've got till the next election to run amok. If the finance minister for example knew that she could face recall if her budget turned out to be faulty and that at the very least she would have to suffer the embarrassment of that even if she succeeded in defending her seat then it might very well color their thinking about some of the lies we've seen recently

 

[Queenmandy85]

Releasing the names is illegal. Anyone releasing the names will face serious jail time. So, if you had access to the names, would you be willing to go to prison? 

One of the consequences if the intelligence is released is Canada would be expelled from the 5 Eyes group. Our allies would never trust us again. 

The solution is for each party leader to not sign the nomination papers of their MP's on the list. Of course, because Mr. Poilievre refuses to avail himself of the offer to be read in to the information, it leaves CPC members suspect in the next election which places them at a disadvantage.

[myata]

The public "votes" for one of the two central committees here (any one, of the two). They will take care of all and every matter as they always do. The public doesn't need to know any bothersome details, it needs to be happy with the privilege that was granted generously and express mostly complete satisfaction and joy. Such a happy democracy.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Releasing the names is illegal. Anyone releasing the names will face serious jail time. So, if you had access to the names, would you be willing to go to prison? 

It is not remotely illegal.  There is nothing illegal at all about saying this person or that is under investigation.  You must be mad. 

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One of the consequences if the intelligence is released is Canada would be expelled from the 5 Eyes group. Our allies would never trust us again. 

That is not a thing.

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The solution is for each party leader to not sign the nomination papers of their MP's on the list. Of course, because Mr. Poilievre refuses to avail himself of the offer to be read in to the information, it leaves CPC members suspect in the next election which places them at a disadvantage.

Absolutely false. 

Typical liberal supporter though. Doesn't want to see anybody prosecuted or faced the consequences of conspiring with another country, you  just want them to retire quietly at the end of their term with their nice fat pension and go about their lives and stop being such naughty boys. 

And Trudeau isn't even committing to do that much.

[Goddess]

On 6/4/2024 at 6:11 PM, CdnFox said:

Remember when the entire left wing of a nation went absolutely nuts over Russian collusion?

Fascinating, too, that at the same time Liberals were falsely accusing the Freedom Convoy of colluding with the Russians, the Americans, etc - it was THEM that were actually doing it.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

It is not remotely illegal.  There is nothing illegal at all about saying this person or that is under investigation. 

You are correct.  It's explained in this video.

I like this channel, Northern Perspective, husband and wife team, they are very knowledgeable about government/parliament processes, as the guy on it had aspirations of running for government.  But they recently had a child with special needs and he decided against it.

 

Edited June 11, 2024 by Goddess

[ExFlyer]

Elizabeth May just had a press conference and said that there were no names and there is no list. There was only one person identified and that was of a former MP and she said he should be investigated

https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/green-leader-elizabeth-may-says-no-list-of-disloyal-mps-in-full-spy-watchdog-report

 

I still want to know why PP refuses to get security cleared so he can look at secret documents ? Is it so he can better criticize? Without knowing what he is criticizing?

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Elizabeth May just had a press conference and said that there were no names and there is no list. There was only one person identified and that was of a former MP and she said he should be investigated

https://www.ipolitics.ca/news/green-leader-elizabeth-may-says-no-list-of-disloyal-mps-in-full-spy-watchdog-report

IF there's no crime and they were just duped then fine, release the names and say so. 

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I still want to know why PP refuses to get security cleared so he can look at secret documents ? Is it so he can better criticize? Without knowing what he is criticizing?

It does muzzle him and puts other restrictions on him that are unacceptable.  His position is that all Canadians should know this information and he's not prepared to take actions that would limit his ability to demand that or to ask questions of the government

Imagine for a moment that someone said I will tell you if I am guilty or not if you sign this disclosure statement saying that you can't talk about it.

Ok  i signed it, 

I'm totally guilty but you're not allowed to talk about it. 

And considering he will be the next Prime minister in all likelihood he'll have access to it then if it's not resolved and can hold the liberals to account if necessary if they won't address things now

[Goddess]

Justice Hogue has all the necessary security clearances and even she can't get all the info, as Trudeau is still holding back information from her, so......there's that, too.

[Chrissy1979]

The Chinese and Indian governments are accused of orchestrating the CPC leadership campaign and you guys try to deflect it to the Liberals and NDP? Good one!

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

IF there's no crime and they were just duped then fine, release the names and say so. 

It does muzzle him and puts other restrictions on him that are unacceptable.  His position is that all Canadians should know this information and he's not prepared to take actions that would limit his ability to demand that or to ask questions of the government

Imagine for a moment that someone said I will tell you if I am guilty or not if you sign this disclosure statement saying that you can't talk about it.

Ok  i signed it, 

I'm totally guilty but you're not allowed to talk about it. 

And considering he will be the next Prime minister in all likelihood he'll have access to it then if it's not resolved and can hold the liberals to account if necessary if they won't address things now

Man, you just don't read the information LOL

There were no names, so says someone that actually read the report. Wait, let me reinforce that, there was one name and she said he should be investigated and charged. Considering he is no longer an MP, she could not name him.

PP decided not to accept the security clearance and if he does become PM, he will have to sign and then he will keep secrets from you. LOL

I was in the Military and had secret clearance. I cannot, to this day, divulge things aI read, saw and were briefed on.  Such is signing the declaration requirements of security clearances.

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Man, you just don't read the information LOL

LOL you know me better than that. You're just begging to look stupid.    I think you're a bit of a masochist that way  

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There were no names, so says someone that actually read the report

Here's what she actually said:

 

Green Party’s Elizabeth May says she believes the small number of MPs named in a recent spy watchdog report did not knowingly set out to betray Canada.

The small number of mps. SO - there were actually names. 

What i said is 'fine, if they were just duped and didn't do it willingly then release the names. The names of the 'small number of mps'"

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!! -  YOU DIDN'T READ IT DID YOU? AND THEN YOU ACCUSED ME OF NOT READING IT!!!! LOLOLOL

My god - do you sit there and think of new ways to look dumb? Honestly, there must be some sort of special training required, nobody can be this consistently stupid all the time  

Man, that was great   I'll await your usual meltdown now  

At any rate, as i was saying if the mp's aren't guilty of anything then say so but release the names.