Will this lead to a blowout? Most Liberal Voters Doing So To Block CPC: Poll

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

The Conservatives and the Liberals are twin brothers of the rich who have been exchanging power since the constitution, if we elect the Conservatives we will be tired of them after 8 years and want to get rid of them just like the Liberals, if you want a real change you have to vote for the NDP or the Green Party. Nobody of these two leaders deserve to be prime minister, they look sympathetic but so is the devil,   They both support the genocide of the Palestinians, so they are not really what they sound like, in fact the genocide is the worst crime of humanity, you have to look at everything they do, not just what they say, they will both say they will give you money, but don't be so stupid they will take it back immediately.

You just proved you are a Socialist or Marxist supporter because that is exactly the way the NDP, Greens lean.

You are completely opposed to Libs, Conservatives and the west.  Obviously some kind of operative trying to push anti-West nonsense.  You are the definition of "foreign interference" on social media. 

That's the thing about western democracy.  We are so open-minded that we give anyone in the world access to our society.  Foreign operatives take advantage of us and actually do try to influence us through social media and every other method of communication.  

More authoritarian countries would just shut down any foreign operatives and not give them a platform of any kind.  Canada is weak in that area and actually helps them have a platform and influence in Canada.

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

You just proved you are a Socialist or Marxist supporter because that is exactly the way the NDP, Greens lean.

You are completely opposed to Libs, Conservatives and the west.  Obviously some kind of operative trying to push anti-West nonsense.  You are the definition of "foreign interference" on social media. 

That's the thing about western democracy.  We are so open-minded that we give anyone in the world access to our society.  Foreign operatives take advantage of us and actually do try to influence us through social media and every other method of communication.  

More authoritarian countries would just shut down any foreign operatives and not give them a platform of any kind.  Canada is weak in that area and actually helps them have a platform and influence in Canada.

I come from Québec and i am for the sharing of wealth The CBC can say to vote Liberal or the private media to vote Conservative but it doesn't affect my values, the Conservatives or the Liberals can tell us that they will give us money to get elected but they will immediately take it back, they have not said that they will take this money from the tax havens of the richest and they have never done so in the past. I'm going to vote for the Green Party. For example, Poilievre may tell you that he's going to cut gas taxes, but when you need to be hospitalized, he'll tell you, sorry, sir, the taxes you're paying aren't enough, the room is $500 a day, that's just an example of how they're going to take your money back. They certainly won't take that money from tax havens, so it has to come from you

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Gaétan said:

The Conservatives and the Liberals are twin brothers of the rich who have been exchanging power since the constitution, if we elect the Conservatives we will be tired of them after 8 years and want to get rid of them just like the Liberals, if you want a real change you have to vote for the NDP or the Green Party. Nobody of these two leaders deserve to be prime minister, they look sympathetic but so is the devil,   They both support the genocide of the Palestinians, so they are not really what they sound like, in fact the genocide is the worst crime of humanity, you have to look at everything they do, not just what they say, they will both say they will give you money, but don't be so stupid they will take it back immediately.

The ndp IS the liberal party these days.

[Gaétan]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The ndp IS the liberal party these days.

Your friend Poilievre said on TV that he was going to cut taxes so you're going to have to pay for the services out of your own pocket, that's ok if you are rich enough to be covered by insurances or if you have deep pockets, and he says that the United Nations organization that helps Palestinians survive is terrorists to justify the genocide of Palestinians, so we can see very well that he is a dangerous criminal and has no respect for human life. I wonder if we can survive four years with this guy. It's hard to understand that he's leading in the polls other than to say that the private media tells us that it is a good product ( to enrich the rich )

Edited January 28 by Gaétan

[Army Guy]

14 hours ago, eyeball said:

What would you have us do between elections? It seems there's little to nothing else voters are good for except voting. What did you have in mind, write a few letters, volunteer, show up for a rally/protest, battle it out in places like this?

Yes...sitting at home watching the game is not going to effect change....Canadians forget that the masses have power to make changes...

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Your friend Poilievre said on TV that he was going to cut taxes so you're going to have to pay for the services out of your own pocket,

You mean like the cbc?  I don't want the cbc.  You mean like the arrive can app? I don't want the arrivecan app.  You mean like first nations to welcome the pope? Don't care. You mean like grants to liberal friendly orgs to host summer camps to indoctrinate kids? not interestsed. You mean for gun buy backs which cost billions and do nothing? I'm fine with that. 

Kid - what you REALLY mean is that i won't have to pay out of MY pocket for services YOU like. That suits me just fine.

[Gaétan]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You mean like the cbc?  I don't want the cbc.  You mean like the arrive can app? I don't want the arrivecan app.  You mean like first nations to welcome the pope? Don't care. You mean like grants to liberal friendly orgs to host summer camps to indoctrinate kids? not interestsed. You mean for gun buy backs which cost billions and do nothing? I'm fine with that. 

Kid - what you REALLY mean is that i won't have to pay out of MY pocket for services YOU like. That suits me just fine.

They have the same friends than the liberals

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Yes...sitting at home watching the game is not going to effect change....Canadians forget that the masses have power to make changes...

Once every four - five years maybe unless you subscribe to the glacially slow road Queenmandy talks about. Join a party drum up some funders, blah blah blah.

Or are thinking mass protests, boycotts, or the couple hundred commandos scenario?

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Gaétan said:

I come from Québec and i am for the sharing of wealth

Cool.  Give me 50 bucks.   

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

They have the same friends than the liberals

we'll see.   

[Gaétan]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

 

we'll see.   

 Love Makes You Blind. Here are some of conservatives friends:

Here are 17 more Conservative friends of Stephen Harper now in trouble with the law (pressprogress.ca)

Giving the keys to the land to Poilievre is the same as giving the keys to your house to a criminal, I told you why

Edited January 29 by Gaétan

[Aristides]

On 1/26/2024 at 11:48 AM, CdnFox said:

So - here's what that means.

The pieces are there for a complete liberal collapse and blow out

A huge percent of liberals are ONLY voting liberal because they don't like the cpc.  That's actually pretty stupid but that's not the point.

The point is that this in teh past has lead to blow outs.   IF  polling suggests that PP is WAY AHEAD as the election day approaches - what often happens is that these liberal voters decide it's too late and there's no point and stay at home.

Meanwhile  conservatives who are excited about pp will tend to get out and vote for him anyway because they're excited to do so.

This can have the effect of leading to a massive crash at the polls for the liberals WAY beyond the predicted polling . Voter turn out plays a huge role as the opponents of doug ford found out last election.

If most liberals are only voting liberal to keep PP out - and the polls tell them that PP is going to win and there's no point - COULD we be seeing a collapse similar to kim campbells disaster for the PC?

More people vote against something than for something. Always been that way. A nothingburger.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Gaétan said:

 Love Makes You Blind. Here are some of conservatives friends:

 

And communism rots your brain

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

More people vote against something than for something. Always been that way. A nothingburger.

That is an often repeated myth - but every scrap of research shows it's not true.

If it were the CPC would have won the last two elections.

People will abandon something they don't like but they DO need to have something they can believe in at least a little to bother. THey'll stick with the 'devil they know' otherwise.

In the case of 'strategic voters' they tend to not bother when they think there's no point. Look at ontario in the last election, where like 7 voters total showed up for the ndp and libs. Everyone was pissed with ford but nobody really voted against him.  His win was much larger than it should have been based on his support.

Of course the flip can be true as well - if people think "PP has it in the bag" often they'll get lazy and won't go out to vote. Look at the NDP in bc when christie clarke won her huge surprise upset - the ndp was believed to be a shoo in, but later polling showed that their voters just didn't bother to get out and vote and Clark took it.

Between people fleeing the libs and dips to the CPC, AND the lib voters mostly in the game for an upset and not because they like trudeau at all - the state is set for a massive upset of the right conditions occur during the campaign.

[Aristides]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

That is an often repeated myth - but every scrap of research shows it's not true.

If it were the CPC would have won the last two elections.

People will abandon something they don't like but they DO need to have something they can believe in at least a little to bother. THey'll stick with the 'devil they know' otherwise.

In the case of 'strategic voters' they tend to not bother when they think there's no point. Look at ontario in the last election, where like 7 voters total showed up for the ndp and libs. Everyone was pissed with ford but nobody really voted against him.  His win was much larger than it should have been based on his support.

Of course the flip can be true as well - if people think "PP has it in the bag" often they'll get lazy and won't go out to vote. Look at the NDP in bc when christie clarke won her huge surprise upset - the ndp was believed to be a shoo in, but later polling showed that their voters just didn't bother to get out and vote and Clark took it.

Between people fleeing the libs and dips to the CPC, AND the lib voters mostly in the game for an upset and not because they like trudeau at all - the state is set for a massive upset of the right conditions occur during the campaign.

Ya, like the f***k Trudeau crowd are voting for PP. Besides, we don’t get to decide how or why other people vote.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

Ya, like the f***k Trudeau crowd are voting for PP.

Yeah. They are.  The polling i've already posted here is crystal clear - the majority of conservative voters are voting because they like PP.  Even if it were someone other than  justin, they like PP

Whereas the liberal voters mostly just want to try to stop the CPC from winning. Well - if we get into an election and they relize they can't and most decide not to bother and stay home... that's what 'blowouts' or 'crashes' are made of.  Just like the ndp and libs fell apart in ontario.

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Besides, we don’t get to decide how or why other people vote.

The liberals and ndp think they do, they're in secret meetings discussing that right now   (other thread)
 

But that's kind of a desperate statement. Nobody suggested "we" get to decide anything. This is what people have said they've decided for themselves, and it sets up the conditions necessary for a complete collapse of the libs.

[Aristides]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah. They are.  The polling i've already posted here is crystal clear - the majority of conservative voters are voting because they like PP.  Even if it were someone other than  justin, they like PP

Whereas the liberal voters mostly just want to try to stop the CPC from winning. Well - if we get into an election and they relize they can't and most decide not to bother and stay home... that's what 'blowouts' or 'crashes' are made of.  Just like the ndp and libs fell apart in ontario.

The liberals and ndp think they do, they're in secret meetings discussing that right now   (other thread)
 

But that's kind of a desperate statement. Nobody suggested "we" get to decide anything. This is what people have said they've decided for themselves, and it sets up the conditions necessary for a complete collapse of the libs.

They aren’t voting for PP, they are voting against JT. Doug the hamster could be leading the Conservatives and they would still vote for him. 
 

You are saying that giving people more places and time to vote is somehow rigging it for the Liberals.

I guess you agree with the kind of voter suppression we see in some American states.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

They aren’t voting for PP, they are voting against JT.

The poll i JUST POSTED to start this thread AND the discussion from Angus says that's not true.

"While there certainly is a significant amount of distaste for Trudeau among the Canadian public, that does not appear to be the strongest motivating factor for those who intend to vote for the Conservative Party," according to the Angus Reid report

 

So you didn't read the article, you just made an assumption and stated it as if it was a hard fact.  And of course - you were wrong.

The vast majority of voters who are voting cpc are doing so because they like PP. Not because they dislike trudeau.  About 1/3 are focused on getting rid of justin only. It's the opposite for the libs, about 2/3 of those who say they'll vote liberal don't support the party, they just want to stop the CPC.

I mean - i could understand you being wrong if it were some  thing you would have had to go elsewhere to look for but it was right in the OP article. AND it links to the report so you can see the details. AND i already mentioned that.

I just don't understand why you always insist on repeating things you KNOW aren't factually accurate in the face of overwhelming evidence and science to the contrary

[Moonbox]

On 1/28/2024 at 7:33 AM, Michael Hardner said:

. I don't like the tone but I also find the assertion unfalsifiable.  What do you do with the claim that Canadians are "unthinking babies" ?  Or that they have been brainwashed as such?

I think you're overly optimistic on people understanding this.  

Falsifiability is a great way to check your own reasoning, or to identify delusions and partisan logic from the outside, but the nature of the beast is that the people who fail this test do so regularly, and confidently.  

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

... people who fail this test do so regularly, and confidently.  

I don't quite understand the post, but it seems like you're saying this is just how it is. I think that a decline in quality of public dialogue is something that we could at least point out. And for sure that is not an endless trend.

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I don't quite understand the post, but it seems like you're saying this is just how it is. I think that a decline in quality of public dialogue is something that we could at least point out. And for sure that is not an endless trend.

I'm guess I'm saying that if you understand the principles of falsifiability, you're not likely posting unfalsifiable claims in the first place.  Pointing it out to someone who has will likely just fly overhead and right past. 

This is a place where "certain types" regularly respond to requests for citations/proof of their claims by demands that you disprove them.  😑

I'm not counting Graham as one of those, and I don't say this for his sake, but my TLDR is: dumb it down.     

[Michael Hardner]

16 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

I'm guess I'm saying that if you understand the principles of falsifiability, you're not likely posting unfalsifiable claims in the first place.  Pointing it out to someone who has will likely just fly overhead and right past. 

This is a place where "certain types" regularly respond to requests for citations/proof of their claims by demands that you disprove them.  😑

I'm not counting Graham as one of those, and I don't say this for his sake, but my TLDR is: dumb it down.     

Well, ok, but I was responding to Graham actually.  So I do expect him to understand.

[eyeball]

On 1/28/2024 at 12:42 AM, CdnFox said:

Participate...

I've been involved in local governance for decades and I doubt if you've so much as popped a dime into a local animal shelter's donation can.

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I've been involved in local governance for decades and I doubt if you've so much as popped a dime into a local animal shelter's donation can.

I've done a lot more than local gov't kiddo   But sure i've done local projects as well, tho i tend to focus more on charity than governance.

So - you complain about how the country is run and i say "participate" and your reply is "but i did - i was involved in local governance for an area with like 50 people and 20 dogs - so i did my time fixing the nation".

Yeah - federal gov't is a few steps up from there. Aim higher.

[eyeball]

15 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I've done a lot more than local gov't kiddo   But sure i've done local projects as well, tho i tend to focus more on charity than governance.

Why should anyone believe you're not just playing rubber and glue in reverse here? Everyone knows you do this all the time.

Now you're the little boy who's suddenly crying virtue?

LMAO!

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Why should anyone believe you're not just playing rubber and glue in reverse here? Everyone knows you do this all the time.

Now you're the little boy who's suddenly crying virtue?

LMAO!

Sure kid